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Post by sdsustoner on Feb 17, 2020 8:50:14 GMT -8
Reading the comments... Wow, they hate him. The Husky fans see him like how this place once viewed Winston Shepard as a frosh Say what you will about Winston Shepard, but WSIII was always engaged, always had a fire in his belly and always had an intense desire to win. His decision making, shooting ability and shot selection were suspect, but he was never a jerk, never aloof and never disinterested. And I don't recall him getting many technicals, if any. Further, there were no team implosions while Shep was here. All the team did was win. Was the fan base often annoyed by Shep? Yeah. Did they ever despise him? Nah. 😆 I loved the guy That's why I said what I did, because I spent years defending him here. And he was an aloof jerk who would pout in practice as a freshman. By the time he was a senior, he was a fiery team leader. I've also been to games when I heard our own fans disparage him. The hate was far greater than annoyance in both cases.
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Post by sdsustoner on Feb 17, 2020 8:52:30 GMT -8
Reading the comments... Wow, they hate him. The Husky fans see him like how this place once viewed Winston Shepard as a frosh He is only at college because he has to be for one 1 year. That was a given before he even committed
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Post by longtimebooster on Feb 17, 2020 8:55:35 GMT -8
Say what you will about Winston Shepard, but WSIII was always engaged, always had a fire in his belly and always had an intense desire to win. His decision making, shooting ability and shot selection were suspect, but he was never a jerk, never aloof and never disinterested. And I don't recall him getting many technicals, if any. Further, there were no team implosions while Shep was here. All the team did was win. Was the fan base often annoyed by Shep? Yeah. Did they ever despise him? Nah. 😆 I loved the guy And he was an aloof jerk who would pout in practice as a freshman. True. Forgot about that. I remember Fisher burying him deep on the bench a couple times during his Freshman year for just that reason.
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Post by azdick on Feb 17, 2020 9:06:31 GMT -8
I thought he was underrated and overly criticized. If you needed him to get a rebound there was no one better. If you wanted him to play any position 1-5 he was your man. Team leader as a senior, and yes, he had become a mature player and man by then.
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Post by aztecbrothers on Feb 17, 2020 9:13:16 GMT -8
Simple. Wrong team, wrong coach. Dutch is about effort. Jaden would have to understand that if he wanted to play. Would be a different player here. To pull quote from Indiana Jones movie "The Last Crusade" Jaden chose poorly. For sure his draft stock has dropped by being on the Huskies. He would have become a much higher draft pick had he become an Aztec.
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Post by sdsustoner on Feb 17, 2020 9:13:28 GMT -8
I thought he was underrated and overly criticized. If you needed him to get a rebound there was no one better. If you wanted him to play any position 1-5 he was your man. Team leader as a senior, and yes, he had become a mature player and man by then. And he was an elite defender who could guard 1-5. He was arguably one of the best in the Fisher era on the perimeter. That also shows what an impact college coaching has on a player.
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Post by sdsustoner on Feb 17, 2020 9:14:47 GMT -8
😆 I loved the guy And he was an aloof jerk who would pout in practice as a freshman. True. Forgot about that. I remember Fisher burying him deep on the bench a couple times during his Freshman year for just that reason. And I'm sure McD wouldn't be the train wreck he is as a Husky under Dutcher. Fisher had a huge part in Shepard's development from that to a team leader on the court and a man off of it. I'm confident Dutch could have the same impact Fisher did.
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Post by Den60 on Feb 17, 2020 9:15:22 GMT -8
This is why I am not big on recruiting one-and-done players. Certain programs that are well established like Kentucky, Duke etc. can get this to work because they have a history of doing so. Give me those 3 and 4 star players with a bit of a chip on their shoulders who are going to stay for 4 years with an occasional player that has a chance to get to the NBA early.
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Post by sdcoug on Feb 17, 2020 16:21:48 GMT -8
A part of me feels bad that he got stuck at a crappy program in the PAC12. What a total waste of talent. They aren't a crappy program by any means. 2-time coach of the year & a very talented group of players coming in. They just lost their 5 star PG & didn't have a quality back-up to steer the ship. They beat Baylor early; had Green not screwed up they could very well be a tourney team. I also think had Green not got injured Jalen would have been fine. Now he feels like he has to take over & forces things way too much. Despite Hopkins telling him to let the game come to him. He's good 1 half, bad the next as a result. Usually falls apart late when ball decisions really need to be made. But that was his criticism in HS - he'd disappear in some games & dominate at other times. I think Jaden would have fit in here though, not so much because of Dutch but more so because he would have had several exceptional PGs who would be setting him up for success. Plus he'd be surrounded by juniors & seniors, rather than other FR or SO's. A line-up of Mal, KL, Matt, Jaden & Nate wouldn't suck by any means. Of course in hindsight he would have been a bad fit because he CANNOT play the 5, and with Nate out.... His game will be better suited at the next level. He'll be a top 15 pick & earn a ton of money, and eventually be a very good player. He's too talented not to be. But I'm sure glad Dutch & team had the foresight to offer Yanni, even if it meant definitely losing Jaden. Yanni's the perfect fit, especially in hindsight!
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Post by mc08066 on Feb 17, 2020 22:12:34 GMT -8
Have to say that Winston was one of my favorite Aztec players. His fall away jumper was unstoppable by the opposition although he could be inconsistent. He caught a lot of crap from the fans although his senior season it was minimized. Great player that just improved throughout his career.
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Post by aztecfanatic on Feb 18, 2020 6:44:36 GMT -8
A part of me feels bad that he got stuck at a crappy program in the PAC12. What a total waste of talent. They aren't a crappy program by any means. 2-time coach of the year & a very talented group of players coming in. They just lost their 5 star PG & didn't have a quality back-up to steer the ship. They beat Baylor early; had Green not screwed up they could very well be a tourney team. I also think had Green not got injured Jalen would have been fine. Now he feels like he has to take over & forces things way too much. Despite Hopkins telling him to let the game come to him. He's good 1 half, bad the next as a result. Usually falls apart late when ball decisions really need to be made. But that was his criticism in HS - he'd disappear in some games & dominate at other times. I think Jaden would have fit in here though, not so much because of Dutch but more so because he would have had several exceptional PGs who would be setting him up for success. Plus he'd be surrounded by juniors & seniors, rather than other FR or SO's. A line-up of Mal, KL, Matt, Jaden & Nate wouldn't suck by any means. Of course in hindsight he would have been a bad fit because he CANNOT play the 5, and with Nate out.... His game will be better suited at the next level. He'll be a top 15 pick & earn a ton of money, and eventually be a very good player. He's too talented not to be. But I'm sure glad Dutch & team had the foresight to offer Yanni, even if it meant definitely losing Jaden. Yanni's the perfect fit, especially in hindsight! You think they are not a crappy team but they have played 13 pac12 games and won 2; That's pretty crappy to me. If they have a bunch of talent then the "2 time coach of the year" needs to be let go. They are 12-14 overall and you say they could be a tourney team! Talk about under achieving - no amount of injuries or bad luck can make a solid team fall apart like this. They are a mess - and yes, a very crappy team.
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Post by couldashoulda on Feb 18, 2020 10:33:38 GMT -8
Just taking a guess...I don't think Jaden cares. I'm sure he doesn't like losing, but he stayed close to home and is pretty much assured of being a lottery pick, or close to it. He's just finishing up his time in the NBA's minor leagues.
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Post by gigglyforshrigley on Feb 18, 2020 10:57:59 GMT -8
If he came here he would've been a lock as a top 10 pick imo
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Post by gigglyforshrigley on Feb 18, 2020 11:03:15 GMT -8
Reading the comments... Wow, they hate him. The Husky fans see him like how this place once viewed Winston Shepard as a frosh Say what you will about Winston Shepard, but WSIII was always engaged, always had a fire in his belly and always had an intense desire to win. His decision making, shooting ability and shot selection were suspect, but he was never a jerk, never aloof and never disinterested. And I don't recall him getting many technicals, if any. Further, there were no team implosions while Shep was here. All the team did was win. Was the fan base often annoyed by Shep? Yeah. Did they ever despise him? Nah. One of the all time winningest Aztecs and one of our all time best defenders (if not THE best defender - along with Sky & Kawhi). Matchup NIGHTMARE on defense. had the agility and quickness to guard 6'0 point guards as a 6'8 player
Took way too much criticism as an Aztec, I've always defended him
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Post by omnipotentaztec on Feb 18, 2020 12:18:22 GMT -8
Have to say that Winston was one of my favorite Aztec players. His fall away jumper was unstoppable by the opposition although he could be inconsistent. He caught a lot of crap from the fans although his senior season it was minimized. Great player that just improved throughout his career. Shepard was one of my favorites as well. However, those finger tip rolls that he would frequently miss drove me crazy. Just dunk the darn ball. Thats what I love about the current team. You almost never see them miss layups or the easy shots.
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Post by sdcoug on Feb 20, 2020 15:20:35 GMT -8
They aren't a crappy program by any means. 2-time coach of the year & a very talented group of players coming in. They just lost their 5 star PG & didn't have a quality back-up to steer the ship. They beat Baylor early; had Green not screwed up they could very well be a tourney team. I also think had Green not got injured Jalen would have been fine. Now he feels like he has to take over & forces things way too much. Despite Hopkins telling him to let the game come to him. He's good 1 half, bad the next as a result. Usually falls apart late when ball decisions really need to be made. But that was his criticism in HS - he'd disappear in some games & dominate at other times. I think Jaden would have fit in here though, not so much because of Dutch but more so because he would have had several exceptional PGs who would be setting him up for success. Plus he'd be surrounded by juniors & seniors, rather than other FR or SO's. A line-up of Mal, KL, Matt, Jaden & Nate wouldn't suck by any means. Of course in hindsight he would have been a bad fit because he CANNOT play the 5, and with Nate out.... His game will be better suited at the next level. He'll be a top 15 pick & earn a ton of money, and eventually be a very good player. He's too talented not to be. But I'm sure glad Dutch & team had the foresight to offer Yanni, even if it meant definitely losing Jaden. Yanni's the perfect fit, especially in hindsight! You think they are not a crappy team but they have played 13 pac12 games and won 2; That's pretty crappy to me. If they have a bunch of talent then the "2 time coach of the year" needs to be let go. They are 12-14 overall and you say they could be a tourney team! Talk about under achieving - no amount of injuries or bad luck can make a solid team fall apart like this. They are a mess - and yes, a very crappy team. Read again. Did I say they aren't a crappy TEAM? I said they're not a crappy PROGRAM. He didn't get stuck at a bad program - he went to a GOOD program. They're a very good program having their 1st bad year in a few years due to their PG being an idiot. They were a good TEAM up to that point. There's a difference between program & team, and part of the reason they've struggled as a TEAM is because of his erratic play.
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Post by aztecfanatic on Feb 20, 2020 16:02:58 GMT -8
They have been to the dance ONCE in the past 9 years - where they won exactly 1 game. If that's your definition of a very good program, ok, but it sure isn't mine. You obviously are a Huskies fan (1st bad year?) but any program that goes to the tournament once in 9 years is a crappy program. I'll drop this for good since I see we will have no agreement.
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Post by azson on Feb 20, 2020 16:06:49 GMT -8
A part of me feels bad that he got stuck at a crappy program in the PAC12. What a total waste of talent. They aren't a crappy program by any means. 2-time coach of the year & a very talented group of players coming in. They just lost their 5 star PG & didn't have a quality back-up to steer the ship. They beat Baylor early; had Green not screwed up they could very well be a tourney team. I also think had Green not got injured Jalen would have been fine. Now he feels like he has to take over & forces things way too much. Despite Hopkins telling him to let the game come to him. He's good 1 half, bad the next as a result. Usually falls apart late when ball decisions really need to be made. But that was his criticism in HS - he'd disappear in some games & dominate at other times. I think Jaden would have fit in here though, not so much because of Dutch but more so because he would have had several exceptional PGs who would be setting him up for success. Plus he'd be surrounded by juniors & seniors, rather than other FR or SO's. A line-up of Mal, KL, Matt, Jaden & Nate wouldn't suck by any means. Of course in hindsight he would have been a bad fit because he CANNOT play the 5, and with Nate out.... His game will be better suited at the next level. He'll be a top 15 pick & earn a ton of money, and eventually be a very good player. He's too talented not to be. But I'm sure glad Dutch & team had the foresight to offer Yanni, even if it meant definitely losing Jaden. Yanni's the perfect fit, especially in hindsight! Had completely forgotten that they were Baylor’s one loss this year. Shows you how important the PG position is and how lucky we are to have more than one good one in case of fouls, injury etc.
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Post by standiego on Feb 20, 2020 16:37:25 GMT -8
think Jaden and the family wanted him to play at Washington - near the family . Washington had also signed a top recruit for the 5 position. Plus was supposed to have good guard play - Also firmly think they did Not want Jaden to have to play the 5 position so doubt they would have minded if both he and Yanni had come here .Yanni and Nathan at the 5 and Jaden at the 4 or maybe even some time at the 3
Would say the coaches did a very good job in understanding the ability Yanni had to play down low . Better then most of us thought .
Also have heard Dutcher say numerous times that Malachi has developed into a much better play maker / passer then they thought he would be . sure helps the guys playing the 3 - 5 positions to be able to get the ball . Plus having having a guard that has to be guarded at all times so guys down low or on the wings do not get doubled .
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Post by jp92grad on Feb 20, 2020 16:53:51 GMT -8
think Jaden and the family wanted him to play at Washington - near the family . Washington had also signed a top recruit for the 5 position. Plus was supposed to have good guard play - Also firmly think they did Not want Jaden to have to play the 5 position so doubt they would have minded if both he and Yanni had come here .Yanni and Nathan at the 5 and Jaden at the 4 or maybe even some time at the 3 Would say the coaches did a very good job in understanding the ability Yanni had to play down low . Better then most of us thought . Also have heard Dutcher say numerous times that Malachi has developed into a much better play maker / passer then they thought he would be . sure helps the guys playing the 3 - 5 positions to be able to get the ball . Plus having having a guard that has to be guarded at all times so guys down low or on the wings do not get doubled . - Hey, did someone say he could play the 5?
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