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Post by aardvark on Jan 26, 2020 23:43:35 GMT -8
You claimed Machado was overpaid last year. I'm not going to break his salary down year by year. It's $30 million per year, AAV. He underperformed, and to his own admission. Yes, it is the AAV, but that isn't what he was paid last year. He was worth at least the $12 million he got last year. If he has the same year at $32 million, then I will agree with you that he was overpaid.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 27, 2020 12:19:38 GMT -8
You claimed Machado was overpaid last year. I'm not going to break his salary down year by year. It's $30 million per year, AAV. He underperformed, and to his own admission. You do realize that Machado played his 1st season for the Padres last year right? You know a team as a whole that couldn't hit the broad side of barn and hasn't for several years. He plays for an organization that likes algebra rather than team chemistry or proven players and managers. Meyers and Hosmer are the overpaid guys. Get a guy like Betts and watch Manny raise his offensive stats.
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Post by aztecryan on Jan 27, 2020 12:24:14 GMT -8
Getting the sense that the Padres are making progress on a deal for Betts, especially with Marte now in Arizona.
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Post by azman on Jan 27, 2020 17:40:49 GMT -8
I'm not going to break his salary down year by year. It's $30 million per year, AAV. He underperformed, and to his own admission. You do realize that Machado played his 1st season for the Padres last year right? You know a team as a whole that couldn't hit the broad side of barn and hasn't for several years. He plays for an organization that likes algebra rather than team chemistry or proven players and managers. Meyers and Hosmer are the overpaid guys. Get a guy like Betts and watch Manny raise his offensive stats. Sure I realize that. I also realize these long term deals rarely work out. (See my previous post) Machado is good enough to be an all-star most years, but he's being paid like a perennial MVP candidate. (You could say the same for Bryce Harper) Additionally, his last three years or of the contract, he will be in his mid 30's and will likely not put up stellar numbers. He's a real anchor on the payroll at that point. It annoys me when he doesn't hustle sometimes as well. Baseball salaries are completely out of control and it's the owner's fault for not getting a salary cap implemented.
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Post by aztecryan on Jan 27, 2020 23:27:44 GMT -8
You do realize that Machado played his 1st season for the Padres last year right? You know a team as a whole that couldn't hit the broad side of barn and hasn't for several years. He plays for an organization that likes algebra rather than team chemistry or proven players and managers. Meyers and Hosmer are the overpaid guys. Get a guy like Betts and watch Manny raise his offensive stats. Sure I realize that. I also realize these long term deals rarely work out. (See my previous post) Machado is good enough to be an all-star most years, but he's being paid like a perennial MVP candidate. (You could say the same for Bryce Harper) Additionally, his last three years or of the contract, he will be in his mid 30's and will likely not put up stellar numbers. He's a real anchor on the payroll at that point. It annoys me when he doesn't hustle sometimes as well. Baseball salaries are completely out of control and it's the owner's fault for not getting a salary cap implemented. Mike Trout is woefully underpaid for his real value. Same with Acuña, Yelich and others.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 28, 2020 10:12:56 GMT -8
Getting the sense that the Padres are making progress on a deal for Betts, especially with Marte now in Arizona. This one is a bit confusing. Do you think he would likely be a one year rental, then let go for a compensatory pick the next off-season, or do you think SDP ownership feels they can afford a $350MM-$400MM Betts contract (and thats what it will take), along with Machado, Hosmer, etc. contracts? -Ken Rosenthal this week in The Athletic: "So, here are Boston’s options: • Keep Betts, proceed with, say, a 25 percent chance of winning the division and sacrifice the future value they would receive in a trade from a motivated, prospect-rich team such as the Padres. • Trade Betts, collect that future value and move toward their goal of getting under the luxury-tax threshold in 2020 and re-setting their penalty rate to the minimum. If you’re the Yankees and Rays, you would much rather the Red Sox do the former. Which, again, is why the Sox should continue working toward the latter. A deal with the Padres almost certainly would require the Red Sox to take outfielder Wil Myers, along with cash to cover part of the remaining $61 million in the final years of his contract.
Myers is not an asset, but he would be a means to get other assets — specifically, at least one of the six Padres prospects in Baseball America’s latest top-100 ranking. Double-A catcher Luis Campusano would be one possibility, according to The Athletic’s Dennis Lin. Keep in mind that the Padres also have numerous prospects outside BA’s top 100, as well as talented youngsters who already have made their major-league debuts.
" theathletic.com/1562219/2020/01/26/rosenthal-why-the-red-sox-might-trade-mookie-betts/
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Post by aztecryan on Jan 28, 2020 10:59:28 GMT -8
Getting the sense that the Padres are making progress on a deal for Betts, especially with Marte now in Arizona. This one is a bit confusing. Do you think he would likely be a one year rental, then let go for a compensatory pick the next off-season, or do you think SDP ownership feels they can afford a $350MM-$400MM Betts contract (and thats what it will take), along with Machado, Hosmer, etc. contracts? -Ken Rosenthal this week in The Athletic: "So, here are Boston’s options: • Keep Betts, proceed with, say, a 25 percent chance of winning the division and sacrifice the future value they would receive in a trade from a motivated, prospect-rich team such as the Padres. • Trade Betts, collect that future value and move toward their goal of getting under the luxury-tax threshold in 2020 and re-setting their penalty rate to the minimum. If you’re the Yankees and Rays, you would much rather the Red Sox do the former. Which, again, is why the Sox should continue working toward the latter. A deal with the Padres almost certainly would require the Red Sox to take outfielder Wil Myers, along with cash to cover part of the remaining $61 million in the final years of his contract.
Myers is not an asset, but he would be a means to get other assets — specifically, at least one of the six Padres prospects in Baseball America’s latest top-100 ranking. Double-A catcher Luis Campusano would be one possibility, according to The Athletic’s Dennis Lin. Keep in mind that the Padres also have numerous prospects outside BA’s top 100, as well as talented youngsters who already have made their major-league debuts.
" theathletic.com/1562219/2020/01/26/rosenthal-why-the-red-sox-might-trade-mookie-betts/He's a rental that gets you into the playoffs because he's a phenomenal player. Recoup a draft pick, continue on the path.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 28, 2020 11:53:46 GMT -8
I think the world of Betts as a ballplayer, but if we're talking 2020 only....I'm still not 100% convinced SDP is a playoff team adding him. He's a 7-8 WAR player (one season at 10.9 tho), the Padres were a 70-92 ballclub.
I see a better, slightly deeper team in 2020 with the addition of Pham, Mejia developing and contributing and a full season of Tatis. That being said, they have no room for error injury wise as their current depth leaves a bit to be desired......Profar, France, Cronenwortth, Garcia, Naylor....do you really love any of those guys?
2. The rotation after Paddack and Richards is Lamet, Davies, and Lucchesi. Two of those three would need to have above league average seasons, and be pretty good. Or, Gore gets promoted quickly and pitches well.
I love the bullpen.
My prediction if they get Betts, and add no SP: 84 wins
Would be real curious who might go back to BOS besides Campusano.
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Post by aztecryan on Jan 28, 2020 15:28:14 GMT -8
I think the world of Betts as a ballplayer, but if we're talking 2020 only....I'm still not 100% convinced SDP is a playoff team adding him. He's a 7-8 WAR player (one season at 10.9 tho), the Padres were a 70-92 ballclub. I see a better, slightly deeper team in 2020 with the addition of Pham, Mejia developing and contributing and a full season of Tatis. That being said, they have no room for error injury wise as their current depth leaves a bit to be desired......Profar, France, Cronenwortth, Garcia, Naylor....do you really love any of those guys? 2. The rotation after Paddack and Richards is Lamet, Davies, and Lucchesi. Two of those three would need to have above league average seasons, and be pretty good. Or, Gore gets promoted quickly and pitches well. I love the bullpen. My prediction if they get Betts, and add no SP: 84 wins Would be real curious who might go back to BOS besides Campusano. They won 70 games last year with : Tatis missing more than a half season, 70% of the bullpen hurt or ineffective, a limited Chris Paddack, an underachieving Manny Machado (relative to the projections) and a myriad of other factors. This year's roster is much deeper, more balanced, more contact-oriented. That last point is critical, since the Padres struck out nearly 11 times a game last year. Without Betts, they project to be a fringy Wild Card team. With him, the models project them to be a top three or four team in the NL.
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Post by aardvark on Jan 28, 2020 16:43:40 GMT -8
I think the world of Betts as a ballplayer, but if we're talking 2020 only....I'm still not 100% convinced SDP is a playoff team adding him. He's a 7-8 WAR player (one season at 10.9 tho), the Padres were a 70-92 ballclub. I see a better, slightly deeper team in 2020 with the addition of Pham, Mejia developing and contributing and a full season of Tatis. That being said, they have no room for error injury wise as their current depth leaves a bit to be desired......Profar, France, Cronenwortth, Garcia, Naylor....do you really love any of those guys? 2. The rotation after Paddack and Richards is Lamet, Davies, and Lucchesi. Two of those three would need to have above league average seasons, and be pretty good. Or, Gore gets promoted quickly and pitches well. I love the bullpen. My prediction if they get Betts, and add no SP: 84 wins Would be real curious who might go back to BOS besides Campusano. They won 70 games last year with : Tatis missing more than a half season, 70% of the bullpen hurt or ineffective, a limited Chris Paddack, an underachieving Manny Machado (relative to the projections) and a myriad of other factors. This year's roster is much deeper, more balanced, more contact-oriented. That last point is critical, since the Padres struck out nearly 11 times a game last year. Without Betts, they project to be a fringy Wild Card team. With him, the models project them to be a top three or four team in the NL. The first win number I saw for the 2020 Padres season was 83. As of today, I would take the under.
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Post by aztecmusician on Jan 28, 2020 22:37:58 GMT -8
I would move a couple of prospects to rent Betts for a season. The last decade has been atrocious for the Padres, Mookie Betts would add some excitement and interest.....and give the Padres a lineup that can compete for a WC spot.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 29, 2020 6:50:37 GMT -8
Agree, Musician. Would love to see it!
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Post by aztecryan on Jan 29, 2020 13:07:55 GMT -8
They won 70 games last year with : Tatis missing more than a half season, 70% of the bullpen hurt or ineffective, a limited Chris Paddack, an underachieving Manny Machado (relative to the projections) and a myriad of other factors. This year's roster is much deeper, more balanced, more contact-oriented. That last point is critical, since the Padres struck out nearly 11 times a game last year. Without Betts, they project to be a fringy Wild Card team. With him, the models project them to be a top three or four team in the NL. The first win number I saw for the 2020 Padres season was 83. As of today, I would take the under. Not me. A change in leadership, an overhaul in the staff, combined with the roster moves they have made....obviously, if they get slaughtered by injuries, anything can happen. But they would have to repeat a historically awful 2nd half to be that bad.
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Post by aardvark on Jan 29, 2020 15:58:02 GMT -8
The first win number I saw for the 2020 Padres season was 83. As of today, I would take the under. Not me. A change in leadership, an overhaul in the staff, combined with the roster moves they have made....obviously, if they get slaughtered by injuries, anything can happen. But they would have to repeat a historically awful 2nd half to be that bad. Maybe there is a reason that I pretty much gave up sports betting years ago.
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Post by aztecryan on Jan 30, 2020 13:07:11 GMT -8
Betts to the Dodgers building steam, unfortunately.
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Post by survalli on Jan 30, 2020 14:11:14 GMT -8
Betts to the Dodgers building steam, unfortunately. let them take Price for the rental.
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Post by aztecryan on Jan 30, 2020 14:28:51 GMT -8
Betts to the Dodgers building steam, unfortunately. let them take Price for the rental. Not even sure that's part of it, but they can absorb it.
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Post by aztecmusician on Jan 30, 2020 20:02:42 GMT -8
Preller is going lose his window in getting this deal done.
He has young unproven players oozing with potential in spades and seems to be lacking the resolve to pull the trigger. If he can’t bring in another established SP the next best thing is bring in a elite bat who contributes everyday. Naylor, Grisham, Myers, Franchey, Trammell, Reed, Margot, Mejia.....that’s a lot of ham ‘n egger type OF hitters to be collecting dust on your bench. How many of these guys do you need?? Pick 3-4 and deal the rest. Same thing with starting pitcher, although it might be a good idea to have Quantrill or Morejon around when Richards gets put back on the shelf after his 5th start.
Bottom line, it looks like The Los Angeles Dodgers will hoist another star over the SoCal baseball landscape while the Padres trot out another average edition.
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Post by aztecryan on Jan 31, 2020 9:12:47 GMT -8
Preller is going lose his window in getting this deal done. He has young unproven players oozing with potential in spades and seems to be lacking the resolve to pull the trigger. If he can’t bring in another established SP the next best thing is bring in a elite bat who contributes everyday. Naylor, Grisham, Myers, Franchey, Trammell, Reed, Margot, Mejia.....that’s a lot of ham ‘n egger type OF hitters to be collecting dust on your bench. How many of these guys do you need?? Pick 3-4 and deal the rest. Same thing with starting pitcher, although it might be a good idea to have Quantrill or Morejon around when Richards gets put back on the shelf after his 5th start. Bottom line, it looks like The Los Angeles Dodgers will hoist another star over the SoCal baseball landscape while the Padres trot out another average edition. Mejia is the starting catcher, Reed was traded weeks ago as the PTNBL in the Profar deal, Trammell is going to be in the minors. For all that winning LA does, it sure hasn't amounted to much. Empty banners and visiting teams celebrating in Chavez Latrine.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 31, 2020 10:37:41 GMT -8
Preller is going lose his window in getting this deal done. He has young unproven players oozing with potential in spades and seems to be lacking the resolve to pull the trigger. If he can’t bring in another established SP the next best thing is bring in a elite bat who contributes everyday. Naylor, Grisham, Myers, Franchey, Trammell, Reed, Margot, Mejia.....that’s a lot of ham ‘n egger type OF hitters to be collecting dust on your bench. How many of these guys do you need?? Pick 3-4 and deal the rest. Same thing with starting pitcher, although it might be a good idea to have Quantrill or Morejon around when Richards gets put back on the shelf after his 5th start. Bottom line, it looks like The Los Angeles Dodgers will hoist another star over the SoCal baseball landscape while the Padres trot out another average edition. Mejia is the starting catcher, Reed was traded weeks ago as the PTNBL in the Profar deal, Trammell is going to be in the minors. For all that winning LA does, it sure hasn't amounted to much. Empty banners and visiting teams celebrating in Chavez Latrine. The Padres organization would change places with the Dodgers even without any recent banners in a New York Yankee minute.
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