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Post by aztecmusician on Jan 23, 2020 19:47:47 GMT -8
Apparently the Red Sox need to move some salary to get under the luxury cap, names being mentioned include Jackie Bradley, David Price and Mookie Betts. The Padres could finally unload Wil Myers and could include any prospects other than Mackenzie Gore.
Price would provide that needed veteran presence in the rotation, Mookie Betts (contract year) is a legit top 10 hitter. Quantrill, Trammell, Morejon, Patino, Edwards, Campusano, Abrams, Cantillo are all prospects who could be involved in the deal.
Then again, like so many other rumors.......
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Post by aardvark on Jan 23, 2020 20:06:07 GMT -8
Apparently the Red Sox need to move some salary to get under the luxury cap, names being mentioned include Jackie Bradley, David Price and Mookie Betts. The Padres could finally unload Wil Myers and could include any prospects other than Mackenzie Gore. Price would provide that needed veteran presence in the rotation, Mookie Betts (contract year) is a legit top 10 hitter. Quantrill, Trammell, Morejon, Patino, Edwards, Campusano, Abrams, Cantillo are all prospects who could be involved in the deal. Then again, like so many other rumors....... The article in the SD U-T today says the talked-about deal does not include any of the Padres top 5 prospects, which eliminates Trammell, Patino, Abrams and Campusano from your list. And Myers continues to be the Padres albatross.
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Post by aztecmusician on Jan 23, 2020 21:54:14 GMT -8
There are different takes, the names I mentioned with the exception of Quantrill and Morejon were in the source I read.
Rent Mookie for a year? Can Price still bring it? Do the Pads even want Bradley?
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Post by aztecryan on Jan 23, 2020 23:40:30 GMT -8
It's centered around Betts, who is the 2nd best player in baseball behind Mike Trout. The hangup is the amount of money the Padres are willing to eat on the contract of Myers. Boston wants to accelerate a bit of a rebuild and risks losing Betts for nothing in 2021.
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Post by aztecmusician on Jan 24, 2020 2:28:09 GMT -8
Imagine a Padre lineup with Tatis, Pham, Betts, Machado, Hosmer.
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Post by azman on Jan 25, 2020 19:28:10 GMT -8
Rumor has it Boston wants Campusano. I would not give up Campusano for a 1 year rental of Betts. I wouldn't give up much for a 1 year rental of Betts, actually. We are not good enough to go "all in" with that kind of trade.
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Post by aztecryan on Jan 25, 2020 19:35:41 GMT -8
Rumor has it Boston wants Campusano. I would not give up Campusano for a 1 year rental of Betts. I wouldn't give up much for a 1 year rental of Betts, actually. We are not good enough to go "all in" with that kind of trade. Trading away our 5th best prospect is not what I would consider "all-in"....right? Betts is the 2nd best hitter in baseball and put up one of the top 20 best seasons in the last 100 years in 2018. He has an insane amount of value, even for a year. Getting him makes the Padres easily a playoff caliber team.
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Post by azman on Jan 25, 2020 21:24:00 GMT -8
Rumor has it Boston wants Campusano. I would not give up Campusano for a 1 year rental of Betts. I wouldn't give up much for a 1 year rental of Betts, actually. We are not good enough to go "all in" with that kind of trade. Trading away our 5th best prospect is not what I would consider "all-in"....right? Betts is the 2nd best hitter in baseball and put up one of the top 20 best seasons in the last 100 years in 2018. He has an insane amount of value, even for a year. Getting him makes the Padres easily a playoff caliber team. I think Campusano is going to be a really good catcher soon, which we need. I wouldn't trade him for one year of Betts. Now if we could sign Betts to an extension, that's a different story. But he's going to want a few hundred million, which we don't have.
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Post by aztecryan on Jan 25, 2020 22:42:38 GMT -8
Trading away our 5th best prospect is not what I would consider "all-in"....right? Betts is the 2nd best hitter in baseball and put up one of the top 20 best seasons in the last 100 years in 2018. He has an insane amount of value, even for a year. Getting him makes the Padres easily a playoff caliber team. I think Campusano is going to be a really good catcher soon, which we need. I wouldn't trade him for one year of Betts. Now if we could sign Betts to an extension, that's a different story. But he's going to want a few hundred million, which we don't have. Mejia was the 6th best catcher in baseball the 2nd half of 2019. Far too early to move off of that. Campusano hasn't even reached AA yet, so we'll see. I've heard from 2 people with regards to this situation. There's some serious smoke and fire.
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Post by aztecmusician on Jan 26, 2020 0:47:21 GMT -8
I would move Campusano in a heartbeat. No guarantee he will ever make the bigs. Mookie Betts is an elite hitter, put him between Pham and Machado and watch the runs fly in.
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Post by aztecgold on Jan 26, 2020 10:00:19 GMT -8
AJ is just trying to save his job. Why trade away the farm for a one year rental when you are not even close to contending for WC? That is crazy.
This is San Diego. We have to win through the draft and minor league development. We already paid way too much for Myers and Hosmer which was a huge mistake. Machado is overpaid, but at least he was a position of need and a young player. Obviously, at some point you need to trade your assets to get over the top, but they are still a year too early with Gore and Patino still in the minors. Also, you win with pitiching and they should have used that money spent on Myers, Hosmer, and Machado to sign an ace pitcher this year like Strasburg or Cole, etc. The Padres starting pitching is still very weak. They keep saying they need an experienced ace to teach their young pitchers how to pitch, but they naver get one.
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Post by aztecryan on Jan 26, 2020 17:16:40 GMT -8
AJ is just trying to save his job. Why trade away the farm for a one year rental when you are not even close to contending for WC? That is crazy. This is San Diego. We have to win through the draft and minor league development. We already paid way too much for Myers and Hosmer which was a huge mistake. Machado is overpaid, but at least he was a position of need and a young player. Obviously, at some point you need to trade your assets to get over the top, but they are still a year too early with Gore and Patino still in the minors. Also, you win with pitiching and they should have used that money spent on Myers, Hosmer, and Machado to sign an ace pitcher this year like Strasburg or Cole, etc. The Padres starting pitching is still very weak. They keep saying they need an experienced ace to teach their young pitchers how to pitch, but they naver get one. They are projected to be in the wild card hunt now. Davenport's model has them IN the wild card against the Nationals. With Betts, they are likely a top 3 team in the NL, considering he's a 6-7 win player and a massive, immediate impact to the lineup. A top 4 of Tatis/Pham/Betts/Machado might be the best in the National League. The price will determine the value, but he's projected to provide nearly 30 million dollars in surplus based off his contract. Also, how is Machado overpaid?
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Post by azman on Jan 26, 2020 19:29:32 GMT -8
I would move Campusano in a heartbeat. No guarantee he will ever make the bigs. Mookie Betts is an elite hitter, put him between Pham and Machado and watch the runs fly in. Yeah, for just one season, and our starting pitching is not good enough to win a World Series. I'd rather have a good 4-5 year run when all our prospects come of age. I wasn't crazy about the Pham trade for the same reason. Would rather have had Edwards on our team for that 4-5 year run, than two years of Pham now. It would be idiotic to trade prospects for a one year Betts rental. If they HAVE to trade for someone, I would rather take two years of Marte.
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Post by azman on Jan 26, 2020 19:30:52 GMT -8
AJ is just trying to save his job. Why trade away the farm for a one year rental when you are not even close to contending for WC? That is crazy. This is San Diego. We have to win through the draft and minor league development. We already paid way too much for Myers and Hosmer which was a huge mistake. Machado is overpaid, but at least he was a position of need and a young player. Obviously, at some point you need to trade your assets to get over the top, but they are still a year too early with Gore and Patino still in the minors. Also, you win with pitiching and they should have used that money spent on Myers, Hosmer, and Machado to sign an ace pitcher this year like Strasburg or Cole, etc. The Padres starting pitching is still very weak. They keep saying they need an experienced ace to teach their young pitchers how to pitch, but they naver get one. They are projected to be in the wild card hunt now. Davenport's model has them IN the wild card against the Nationals. With Betts, they are likely a top 3 team in the NL, considering he's a 6-7 win player and a massive, immediate impact to the lineup. A top 4 of Tatis/Pham/Betts/Machado might be the best in the National League. The price will determine the value, but he's projected to provide nearly 30 million dollars in surplus based off his contract. Also, how is Machado overpaid? How is Machado overpaid? Did you see his stats last year? Even he admits he did not perform up to his contract. Just wait until he gets into his 30's and his numbers really start to drop while he is making $30 mil a year. These long term mega deals NEVER work! They always under perform the deal. I hated the Machado and Hosmer signings for this very reason.
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Post by aardvark on Jan 26, 2020 19:59:49 GMT -8
They are projected to be in the wild card hunt now. Davenport's model has them IN the wild card against the Nationals. With Betts, they are likely a top 3 team in the NL, considering he's a 6-7 win player and a massive, immediate impact to the lineup. A top 4 of Tatis/Pham/Betts/Machado might be the best in the National League. The price will determine the value, but he's projected to provide nearly 30 million dollars in surplus based off his contract. Also, how is Machado overpaid? How is Machado overpaid? Did you see his stats last year? Even he admits he did not perform up to his contract. Just wait until he gets into his 30's and his numbers really start to drop while he is making $30 mil a year. These long term mega deals NEVER work! They always under perform the deal. I hated the Machado and Hosmer signings for this very reason. According to Sportac.com and Jon Heyman, Machado was paid $12 million in 2019: $10 million base salary and a pro-rated $2 million of his $20 million signing bonus. Sportrac.com also shows Manny will receive $32 million for each of the next 9 years: $30 million in base salary and the pro-rated $2 million signing bonus (assuming he doesn't opt-out after 2023. Not likely).
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Post by azman on Jan 26, 2020 20:26:38 GMT -8
How is Machado overpaid? Did you see his stats last year? Even he admits he did not perform up to his contract. Just wait until he gets into his 30's and his numbers really start to drop while he is making $30 mil a year. These long term mega deals NEVER work! They always under perform the deal. I hated the Machado and Hosmer signings for this very reason. According to Sportac.com and Jon Heyman, Machado was paid $12 million in 2019: $10 million base salary and a pro-rated $2 million of his $20 million signing bonus. Sportrac.com also shows Manny will receive $32 million for each of the next 9 years: $30 million in base salary and the pro-rated $2 million signing bonus (assuming he doesn't opt-out after 2023. Not likely). What was your reason for posting this??
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Post by aardvark on Jan 26, 2020 20:57:51 GMT -8
According to Sportac.com and Jon Heyman, Machado was paid $12 million in 2019: $10 million base salary and a pro-rated $2 million of his $20 million signing bonus. Sportrac.com also shows Manny will receive $32 million for each of the next 9 years: $30 million in base salary and the pro-rated $2 million signing bonus (assuming he doesn't opt-out after 2023. Not likely). What was your reason for posting this?? You claimed Machado was overpaid last year.
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Post by aztecryan on Jan 26, 2020 21:17:55 GMT -8
They are projected to be in the wild card hunt now. Davenport's model has them IN the wild card against the Nationals. With Betts, they are likely a top 3 team in the NL, considering he's a 6-7 win player and a massive, immediate impact to the lineup. A top 4 of Tatis/Pham/Betts/Machado might be the best in the National League. The price will determine the value, but he's projected to provide nearly 30 million dollars in surplus based off his contract. Also, how is Machado overpaid? How is Machado overpaid? Did you see his stats last year? Even he admits he did not perform up to his contract. Just wait until he gets into his 30's and his numbers really start to drop while he is making $30 mil a year. These long term mega deals NEVER work! They always under perform the deal. I hated the Machado and Hosmer signings for this very reason. How can you judge a 10 year contract in year 1? Seems a little silly, especially given the fluky nature of Machado's batting profile. He was exceptional on the road, but struggled to hit at Petco. He was still worth 3.1 WAR, which means he was basically worth around 25 million dollars last year, in his worst season since 2015.
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Post by azman on Jan 26, 2020 21:50:22 GMT -8
How is Machado overpaid? Did you see his stats last year? Even he admits he did not perform up to his contract. Just wait until he gets into his 30's and his numbers really start to drop while he is making $30 mil a year. These long term mega deals NEVER work! They always under perform the deal. I hated the Machado and Hosmer signings for this very reason. How can you judge a 10 year contract in year 1? Seems a little silly, especially given the fluky nature of Machado's batting profile. He was exceptional on the road, but struggled to hit at Petco. He was still worth 3.1 WAR, which means he was basically worth around 25 million dollars last year, in his worst season since 2015. How many of these gigantic long term deals, signed before last year started, have been worth it? These are albatrosses to a team. Padres now have two of these, plus Myers. Baseball needed a salary cap 10 years ago $330 million: Bryce Harper, Phillies, 13 years- Underperformed, will be too old $325 million: Giancarlo Stanton, Marlins, 13 years- Injured, underperformed, will be too old $300 million: Manny Machado, Padres, 10 years- Underperformed $275 million: Alex Rodriguez, Yankees, 10 years- Underperformed/old $260 million: Nolan Arenado, Rockies, 8 years - Good first year $252 million: Rodriguez, Rangers, 10 years- Good, but cheated $248 million: Miguel Cabrera, Tigers, 8 years- Terrible $240 million: Albert Pujols, Angels, 10 years- Terrible/Old $240 million: Robinson Cano, Mariners, 10 years- Terrible $225 million: Joey Votto, Reds, 10 years- Started decent, getting worse every year/Old $217 million: David Price, Red Sox, 7 years- Terrible $215 million: Clayton Kershaw, Dodgers, 7 years- Started good, now injured and underperformed $214 million: Prince Fielder, Tigers, 9 years- So bad he had to retire before he even finished it
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Post by azman on Jan 26, 2020 21:51:46 GMT -8
What was your reason for posting this?? You claimed Machado was overpaid last year. I'm not going to break his salary down year by year. It's $30 million per year, AAV. He underperformed, and to his own admission.
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