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Post by bobcooper84 on Dec 3, 2019 6:32:01 GMT -8
I will when you list the # of conference championships and bowl victories the past 5 years....We don't even play in the conference championship game - and you're content? ? We played in 2 of the last 5 MWC Title games, and were in the hunt for a 3rd until losing the final conference game. How do you not know this?! So yes. It would be great to win the MWC every season. The fact we did it 40% of the last 5 years is actually good. Btw, how ya doing on listing all the programs with better W/L than us the last 5 years? I like our chances straight up against Georgia, OU, Michigan and Ohio St....... Clemson, Penn. St, and Alabama may pose match up challenges...
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Post by The Aztec Panther on Dec 3, 2019 7:28:33 GMT -8
Clemson -- 94.4% Alabama -- 91.5% Ohio St -- 90.9% Oklahoma -- 86.4% App State -- 81.2% Georgia -- 79.1% Wisconsin -- 78.8% Boise -- 78.5% LSU -- 77.4% Penn St -- 73.9% Michigan -- 73.4% Notre Dame -- 73.0% SDSU -- 72.7% Thank you, Fowl. We're actually in pretty damn good company. With which, if we're realistic, we don't belong. Our strength of schedule is at the bottom of that list. We've played tomato cans and cupcakes a majority of the time. We SHOULD have a great winning percentage against competition like that.
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Post by gigglyforshrigley on Dec 3, 2019 7:34:22 GMT -8
Thank you, Fowl. We're actually in pretty damn good company. With which, if we're realistic, we don't belong. Our strength of schedule is at the bottom of that list. We've played tomato cans and cupcakes a majority of the time. We SHOULD have a great winning percentage against competition like that. I agree our conference is soft but we aren't the only G5 conference that sucks. Why aren't there more mid major football programs that have super high win percentages? Since their schedules would suck too. We're the top teir of our conference which realistically is all you can ask for because we have about the same amount of resources as the rest of our conference.
As much as I'd like to (and I have to keep reminding myself), you can't compare us to P5 programs because they have 10x the resources. Yet we're still beating Pac12 teams routinely. We actually are doing extremely well. Horton's offense has been brutal the last 2 years so hopefully there's a change there, but we've been beating teams that we shouldn't be able to beat
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Post by fatfreddy on Dec 3, 2019 7:55:36 GMT -8
Dude, going to crappy bowl games, when 78 out 130 teams go, a bowl game that nobody attends and the school loses a boat load of money being in, it's simply not a valid metric. 78. Out of 130. You REALLY gotta suck not to get in a bowl nowadays. The biggest most important thing is that Aztec football is IRRELEVANT. Aztec students don’t care. For generations now. San Diego does not care. The national media and just overall college football fans don’t care. We are irrelevant, draw small crowds... that should bother everyone. UCF is no longer irrelevant, Boise mostly not for 10 years, Cincy Not for most of the past 10 years (excluding the Tuberville failure), Memphis isn’t ... These 7, or 8, or 9 win seasons are nice, they’re decent. But at the end of the day, they’re not memorable and do nothing to capture the fan base or city/county of SD ... and it’s NEVER been important to be relevant - thanks to the stadium & West campus opportunity and for the opportunity to play in a NY6 game and elevate the program. I’m not saying every season ...but how about just once? Just one time?! Steve Fisher was able to do it with Aztec BB. Rocky has not and it’s clear he never will. Not important to him. I guess he’s too old school to dream or aspire. Every time there’s even a glimmer of hope for that, his squads mess the bed the very next game. Is he better than every coach since Claude Gilbert? Yes, no doubt. Did he start this? No Brady Hoke did. But he kept some good amount of success going. But we have plateaued. It’s not crazy to thing we could regress again like last season. This view seems to be fine to the Rocky supporters on here. To others, not. But I don’t think one Rocky supporter on here can make a convincing argument that we are relevant in any way- with our middling attendance, student and alum apathy, pathetic kickoff time slots, etc. I think we should aspire to be better, to want more. I’m appreciative of Rockys accomplishments. I am. Because of his success, it’s not crazy to think we can even bigger success. Much bigger. But - I also see some back sliding, the apathy toward the program... and I also see the brave new world of college football. We are 7-9 win season-ing our way into further insignificance and maybe if he stays for another 10 years of 7-9 seasons we’ll drop football cuz we get 15,000 people in a nice on campus stadium playing in the Sun belt Conference. You better believe if this program doesn’t loudly force its way into being substantially more relevant, this or any future administration will be happy to put a sport like football out of business. And they will sleep just fine at night. For all the rose colored glass wearing fire rocky fans, what are you personally going to do to make things better? Why don’t you go help with recruitment? Why don’t you find some good players to recruit & report back to the coaches. Go to all their games, recruit them hard ONLY to find out that your talent evaluation needs some evaluating or that they picked a PAC12 school! Good luck! Do you show up at every game? As Eddy Murphy said.... What have you done for me lately? Complain. Fine. Do something about it!! Donate 💵💵💵 but stop your whining UNLESS you plan to be part of the solution 🎤 drop!
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Post by moctezumaii on Dec 3, 2019 7:56:58 GMT -8
With which, if we're realistic, we don't belong. Our strength of schedule is at the bottom of that list. We've played tomato cans and cupcakes a majority of the time. We SHOULD have a great winning percentage against competition like that. I agree our conference is soft but we aren't the only G5 conference that sucks. Why aren't there more mid major football programs that have super high win percentages? Since their schedules would suck too. We're the top teir of our conference which realistically is all you can ask for because we have about the same amount of resources as the rest of our conference.
As much as I'd like to (and I have to keep reminding myself), you can't compare us to P5 programs because they have 10x the resources. Yet we're still beating Pac12 teams routinely. We actually are doing extremely well. Horton's offense has been brutal the last 2 years so hopefully there's a change there, but we've been beating teams that we shouldn't be able to beat
Maybe everything should be graded on a bell curve.
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Post by The Aztec Panther on Dec 3, 2019 7:57:30 GMT -8
With which, if we're realistic, we don't belong. Our strength of schedule is at the bottom of that list. We've played tomato cans and cupcakes a majority of the time. We SHOULD have a great winning percentage against competition like that. I agree our conference is soft but we aren't the only G5 conference that sucks. Why aren't there more mid major football programs that have super high win percentages? Since their schedules would suck too. We're the top teir of our conference which realistically is all you can ask for because we have about the same amount of resources as the rest of our conference.
As much as I'd like to (and I have to keep reminding myself), you can't compare us to P5 programs because they have 10x the resources. Yet we're still beating Pac12 teams routinely. We actually are doing extremely well. Horton's offense has been brutal the last 2 years so hopefully there's a change there, but we've been beating teams that we shouldn't be able to beat
Which makes our struggles against bad teams all the more perplexing! If we can beat lower to mid level PAC 12 teams why do we struggle against lower level MWC teams?
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Post by bobcooper84 on Dec 3, 2019 8:21:30 GMT -8
Dude, going to crappy bowl games, when 78 out 130 teams go, a bowl game that nobody attends and the school loses a boat load of money being in, it's simply not a valid metric. 78. Out of 130. You REALLY gotta suck not to get in a bowl nowadays. The biggest most important thing is that Aztec football is IRRELEVANT. Aztec students don’t care. For generations now. San Diego does not care. The national media and just overall college football fans don’t care. We are irrelevant, draw small crowds... that should bother everyone. UCF is no longer irrelevant, Boise mostly not for 10 years, Cincy Not for most of the past 10 years (excluding the Tuberville failure), Memphis isn’t ... These 7, or 8, or 9 win seasons are nice, they’re decent. But at the end of the day, they’re not memorable and do nothing to capture the fan base or city/county of SD ... and it’s NEVER been important to be relevant - thanks to the stadium & West campus opportunity and for the opportunity to play in a NY6 game and elevate the program. I’m not saying every season ...but how about just once? Just one time?! Steve Fisher was able to do it with Aztec BB. Rocky has not and it’s clear he never will. Not important to him. I guess he’s too old school to dream or aspire. Every time there’s even a glimmer of hope for that, his squads mess the bed the very next game. Is he better than every coach since Claude Gilbert? Yes, no doubt. Did he start this? No Brady Hoke did. But he kept some good amount of success going. But we have plateaued. It’s not crazy to thing we could regress again like last season. This view seems to be fine to the Rocky supporters on here. To others, not. But I don’t think one Rocky supporter on here can make a convincing argument that we are relevant in any way- with our middling attendance, student and alum apathy, pathetic kickoff time slots, etc. I think we should aspire to be better, to want more. I’m appreciative of Rockys accomplishments. I am. Because of his success, it’s not crazy to think we can even bigger success. Much bigger. But - I also see some back sliding, the apathy toward the program... and I also see the brave new world of college football. We are 7-9 win season-ing our way into further insignificance and maybe if he stays for another 10 years of 7-9 seasons we’ll drop football cuz we get 15,000 people in a nice on campus stadium playing in the Sun belt Conference. You better believe if this program doesn’t loudly force its way into being substantially more relevant, this or any future administration will be happy to put a sport like football out of business. And they will sleep just fine at night. Well stated!
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Post by moctezumaii on Dec 3, 2019 8:23:41 GMT -8
I agree our conference is soft but we aren't the only G5 conference that sucks. Why aren't there more mid major football programs that have super high win percentages? Since their schedules would suck too. We're the top teir of our conference which realistically is all you can ask for because we have about the same amount of resources as the rest of our conference.
As much as I'd like to (and I have to keep reminding myself), you can't compare us to P5 programs because they have 10x the resources. Yet we're still beating Pac12 teams routinely. We actually are doing extremely well. Horton's offense has been brutal the last 2 years so hopefully there's a change there, but we've been beating teams that we shouldn't be able to beat
Which makes our struggles against bad teams all the more perplexing! If we can beat lower to mid level PAC 12 teams why do we struggle against lower level MWC teams? Maybe because our team is as energized about playing crappy MWC tomato cans as we the fans? Maybe?
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Post by moctezumaii on Dec 3, 2019 8:29:08 GMT -8
Dude, going to crappy bowl games, when 78 out 130 teams go, a bowl game that nobody attends and the school loses a boat load of money being in, it's simply not a valid metric. 78. Out of 130. You REALLY gotta suck not to get in a bowl nowadays. The biggest most important thing is that Aztec football is IRRELEVANT. Aztec students don’t care. For generations now. San Diego does not care. The national media and just overall college football fans don’t care. We are irrelevant, draw small crowds... that should bother everyone. UCF is no longer irrelevant, Boise mostly not for 10 years, Cincy Not for most of the past 10 years (excluding the Tuberville failure), Memphis isn’t ... These 7, or 8, or 9 win seasons are nice, they’re decent. But at the end of the day, they’re not memorable and do nothing to capture the fan base or city/county of SD ... and it’s NEVER been important to be relevant - thanks to the stadium & West campus opportunity and for the opportunity to play in a NY6 game and elevate the program. I’m not saying every season ...but how about just once? Just one time?! Steve Fisher was able to do it with Aztec BB. Rocky has not and it’s clear he never will. Not important to him. I guess he’s too old school to dream or aspire. Every time there’s even a glimmer of hope for that, his squads mess the bed the very next game. Is he better than every coach since Claude Gilbert? Yes, no doubt. Did he start this? No Brady Hoke did. But he kept some good amount of success going. But we have plateaued. It’s not crazy to thing we could regress again like last season. This view seems to be fine to the Rocky supporters on here. To others, not. But I don’t think one Rocky supporter on here can make a convincing argument that we are relevant in any way- with our middling attendance, student and alum apathy, pathetic kickoff time slots, etc. I think we should aspire to be better, to want more. I’m appreciative of Rockys accomplishments. I am. Because of his success, it’s not crazy to think we can even bigger success. Much bigger. But - I also see some back sliding, the apathy toward the program... and I also see the brave new world of college football. We are 7-9 win season-ing our way into further insignificance and maybe if he stays for another 10 years of 7-9 seasons we’ll drop football cuz we get 15,000 people in a nice on campus stadium playing in the Sun belt Conference. You better believe if this program doesn’t loudly force its way into being substantially more relevant, this or any future administration will be happy to put a sport like football out of business. And they will sleep just fine at night. You do realize it's a cardinal sin around here to suggest Rocky's plateaued, right? That we should want more than 7-9 win seasons and, gasp, real RELEVANCE? The Catholic Aztecs usually go off on the Protestant Aztecs for that sort of thing.
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Post by fisher1fan on Dec 3, 2019 8:49:05 GMT -8
Dude, going to crappy bowl games, when 78 out 130 teams go, a bowl game that nobody attends and the school loses a boat load of money being in, it's simply not a valid metric. 78. Out of 130. You REALLY gotta suck not to get in a bowl nowadays. The biggest most important thing is that Aztec football is IRRELEVANT. Aztec students don’t care. For generations now. San Diego does not care. The national media and just overall college football fans don’t care. We are irrelevant, draw small crowds... that should bother everyone. UCF is no longer irrelevant, Boise mostly not for 10 years, Cincy Not for most of the past 10 years (excluding the Tuberville failure), Memphis isn’t ... These 7, or 8, or 9 win seasons are nice, they’re decent. But at the end of the day, they’re not memorable and do nothing to capture the fan base or city/county of SD ... and it’s NEVER been important to be relevant - thanks to the stadium & West campus opportunity and for the opportunity to play in a NY6 game and elevate the program. I’m not saying every season ...but how about just once? Just one time?! Steve Fisher was able to do it with Aztec BB. Rocky has not and it’s clear he never will. Not important to him. I guess he’s too old school to dream or aspire. Every time there’s even a glimmer of hope for that, his squads mess the bed the very next game. Is he better than every coach since Claude Gilbert? Yes, no doubt. Did he start this? No Brady Hoke did. But he kept some good amount of success going. But we have plateaued. It’s not crazy to thing we could regress again like last season. This view seems to be fine to the Rocky supporters on here. To others, not. But I don’t think one Rocky supporter on here can make a convincing argument that we are relevant in any way- with our middling attendance, student and alum apathy, pathetic kickoff time slots, etc. I think we should aspire to be better, to want more. I’m appreciative of Rockys accomplishments. I am. Because of his success, it’s not crazy to think we can even bigger success. Much bigger. But - I also see some back sliding, the apathy toward the program... and I also see the brave new world of college football. We are 7-9 win season-ing our way into further insignificance and maybe if he stays for another 10 years of 7-9 seasons we’ll drop football cuz we get 15,000 people in a nice on campus stadium playing in the Sun belt Conference. You better believe if this program doesn’t loudly force its way into being substantially more relevant, this or any future administration will be happy to put a sport like football out of business. And they will sleep just fine at night. Post of the year
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Post by aardvark on Dec 3, 2019 8:56:53 GMT -8
Dude, going to crappy bowl games, when 78 out 130 teams go, a bowl game that nobody attends and the school loses a boat load of money being in, it's simply not a valid metric. 78. Out of 130. You REALLY gotta suck not to get in a bowl nowadays. The biggest most important thing is that Aztec football is IRRELEVANT. Aztec students don’t care. For generations now. San Diego does not care. The national media and just overall college football fans don’t care. We are irrelevant, draw small crowds... that should bother everyone. UCF is no longer irrelevant, Boise mostly not for 10 years, Cincy Not for most of the past 10 years (excluding the Tuberville failure), Memphis isn’t ... These 7, or 8, or 9 win seasons are nice, they’re decent. But at the end of the day, they’re not memorable and do nothing to capture the fan base or city/county of SD ... and it’s NEVER been important to be relevant - thanks to the stadium & West campus opportunity and for the opportunity to play in a NY6 game and elevate the program. I’m not saying every season ...but how about just once? Just one time?! Steve Fisher was able to do it with Aztec BB. Rocky has not and it’s clear he never will. Not important to him. I guess he’s too old school to dream or aspire. Every time there’s even a glimmer of hope for that, his squads mess the bed the very next game. Is he better than every coach since Claude Gilbert? Yes, no doubt. Did he start this? No Brady Hoke did. But he kept some good amount of success going. But we have plateaued. It’s not crazy to thing we could regress again like last season. This view seems to be fine to the Rocky supporters on here. To others, not. But I don’t think one Rocky supporter on here can make a convincing argument that we are relevant in any way- with our middling attendance, student and alum apathy, pathetic kickoff time slots, etc. I think we should aspire to be better, to want more. I’m appreciative of Rockys accomplishments. I am. Because of his success, it’s not crazy to think we can even bigger success. Much bigger. But - I also see some back sliding, the apathy toward the program... and I also see the brave new world of college football. We are 7-9 win season-ing our way into further insignificance and maybe if he stays for another 10 years of 7-9 seasons we’ll drop football cuz we get 15,000 people in a nice on campus stadium playing in the Sun belt Conference. You better believe if this program doesn’t loudly force its way into being substantially more relevant, this or any future administration will be happy to put a sport like football out of business. And they will sleep just fine at night. I wish I could argue against this post, but I can't. And it really is sad.
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Post by bobcooper84 on Dec 3, 2019 9:09:10 GMT -8
I don't want Rocky to go anywhere...
However, I find it difficult to support a staff that implements an offense that IMO plays, " NOT TO LOSE."
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Post by sdsustoner on Dec 3, 2019 10:11:04 GMT -8
Thank you, Fowl. We're actually in pretty damn good company. With which, if we're realistic, we don't belong. Our strength of schedule is at the bottom of that list. We've played tomato cans and cupcakes a majority of the time. We SHOULD have a great winning percentage against competition like that. Then why doesn't everybody else with our SOS come close besides BSU and App State?
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Post by legkick on Dec 3, 2019 10:18:51 GMT -8
I wish I could argue against this post, but I can't. And it really is sad. The post itself is miserable, pessimistic and emblematic of pretty much everything that Rocky Long has said of certain people who call themselves "fans" but really aren't. Heavy on opinion, light on realistic, logical analysis.
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Post by The Aztec Panther on Dec 3, 2019 10:25:04 GMT -8
With which, if we're realistic, we don't belong. Our strength of schedule is at the bottom of that list. We've played tomato cans and cupcakes a majority of the time. We SHOULD have a great winning percentage against competition like that. Then why doesn't everybody else with our SOS come close besides BSU and App State? What I'm saying is that we are not as good as those other teams on that list. With our schedule this year each and every one of them would have gone undefeated.
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Post by gigglyforshrigley on Dec 3, 2019 10:28:27 GMT -8
I wish I could argue against this post, but I can't. And it really is sad. The post itself is miserable, pessimistic and emblematic of everything that Rocky Long has said of certain people who call themselves "fans" but really aren't. So your definition of a fan is someone who supports the product regardless of whether the team is going in the direction they want it to? I'm a Rocky supporter but it drives me nuts when people accuse other people of not being fans just because they criticize.
Fans often have differing opinions on the direction of the program and they are both still fans. Both party's goal is to have SDSU be successful
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Post by legkick on Dec 3, 2019 10:36:02 GMT -8
So your definition of a fan is someone who supports the product regardless of whether the team is going in the direction they want it to? I'm a Rocky supporter but it drives me nuts when people accuse other people of not being fans just because they criticize. Fans often have differing opinions on the direction of the program and they are both still fans. Both party's goal is to have SDSU be successful. No, that isn't my definition nor a reasonable one. That's ok, it drives me nuts when people make unsupported assumptions.
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Post by gigglyforshrigley on Dec 3, 2019 11:21:14 GMT -8
So your definition of a fan is someone who supports the product regardless of whether the team is going in the direction they want it to? I'm a Rocky supporter but it drives me nuts when people accuse other people of not being fans just because they criticize. Fans often have differing opinions on the direction of the program and they are both still fans. Both party's goal is to have SDSU be successful. No, that isn't my definition nor a reasonable one. That's ok, it drives me nuts when people make unsupported assumptions. Why would you label him as not being a fan then?
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Post by The Aztec Panther on Dec 3, 2019 11:38:19 GMT -8
No, that isn't my definition nor a reasonable one. That's ok, it drives me nuts when people make unsupported assumptions. Why would you label him as not being a fan then? Because he doesn't meet Legkick's purity test.
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Post by AccessBowlTime on Dec 3, 2019 11:48:42 GMT -8
The 5-year analysis is a valid one. However, the program's former upward momentum has slowed as evidenced by a winning percentage of 68.4% over the last three seasons. Further evidence and what I admittedly find the most frustrating is where we are in comparison to the upper crust of the AAC, a conference we could have been a part of for football.
We have won 26 games the last three seasons. That number places us in a tie with Fresno State for second in the Mountain West behind Boise State's 32 victories. It also places us behind Memphis' 29 wins and UCF's 34. UCF has played an SEC opponent in each of its last two bowl games and Memphis has played teams from the ACC and the Big 12. Four other AAC schools have also played a Power Conference opponent in their bowl game during the last two years. Meanwhile we Aztecs have had to content ourselves with games against Ohio and Army with an unsatisfactory outcome in each.
Rocky Long is certainly not to blame for SDSU continuing to be a member of the stifling Mountain West but it frustrates me considerably that we didn't get out of that moribund league when we had the chance. It appears to me that others share that view and I think it influences our view of SDSU football generally.
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