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Post by aztecmusician on Dec 25, 2019 16:46:12 GMT -8
Lamet and Richards have reconstructed arms, so the jury is still out on how many starts the Pads are going to get from them. Usually when the Padres try to gamble on salvaging a broken down starter like Richards it never pans out. (Mark Pryor, Josh Johnson, Phil Hughes) Lamet has some potential, this is an important season for him. Lucchesi is an interesting case. A new out pitch could be the difference for him, sometimes a 3rd year starter will have a career year based on a new wrinkle in their breaking stuff. Paddack, a top of the rotation guy, hopefully there is no sophomore slump. Gore, future ace however, he only has 4 starts above class A, probably needs some time with the Sod Poodles, Mid-June call up? Davies, he has some decent stuff. Quantrill, I was glad to see him debut last year, we shall see this year.. Overall this group, right now, has too many ”could be or what if” scenarios to lead the Padres to a plus .500 season. Preller needs to cash in a prospect(s) to get a 1, 2, 3 top of the rotation punch. Paddack, Lamet & ____________. Gore. He has 4 starts at AA, we’ll see how it goes in Spring Training.
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Post by aztecryan on Dec 25, 2019 17:22:42 GMT -8
He has 4 starts at AA, we’ll see how it goes in Spring Training. That's the reason why they won't cave in and make a trade is what I meant. The trade target has to be an obvious upgrade and there aren't many of those willing partners to be had.
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Post by aztecmusician on Dec 25, 2019 18:52:55 GMT -8
Are we ever going to see Anderson Espinosa with the big club? His arm has been a mess ever since he came over from the Red Sox
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Post by aztecryan on Dec 25, 2019 21:23:41 GMT -8
Are we ever going to see Anderson Espinosa with the big club? His arm has been a mess ever since he came over from the Red Sox Not anytime soon. Double Tommy John guys are usually not a good bet. The system is deep enough to offset that. The guys they really need to figure out are Morejon and Baez. When healthy, Morejon is the 2nd best starter in the system. Those guys transitioning back into starting roles as opposed to staying relievers changes their value tremendously. The only outside fit I see that would be a substantial upgrade is Mike Clevinger. Three years of control, coming off 2 really good seasons and elite metrics to back up his stuff and numbers. Cleveland has given mixed signals on his status, though. He would give the Padres probably a fringe top 5 rotation.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 27, 2019 8:33:14 GMT -8
Clevelands front office, Antonetti and Chernoff mainly, are known to drive a hard bargain and stick to their guns. One credible rumor I had read was the Dodgers refusing to give up Lux in the Lindor deal, unless CLE relented and included Clevinger in the package as well. That would be interesting, but May would have to be involved headed back to CLE.
After trading away Kluber and Bauer in the last six months, I imagine it would take a very sweet offer for CLE to deal a guy with his talent and production who is still in his 20's and controllable until 2023. They have rotational depth but we still do not know what we have in Civale and Plesac is far from a lock to be good.
Cleveland and San Diego have a long history of dealing with each other no matter who the GM was at the time, so a deal there would not shock me.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 27, 2019 8:34:24 GMT -8
Are we ever going to see Anderson Espinosa with the big club? His arm has been a mess ever since he came over from the Red Sox There is a name I haven't thought about in some time. What happened to Cesar Carrillo? LOL
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Post by aardvark on Dec 27, 2019 12:36:42 GMT -8
Are we ever going to see Anderson Espinosa with the big club? His arm has been a mess ever since he came over from the Red Sox There is a name I haven't thought about in some time. What happened to Cesar Carrillo? LOL He's available. Currently pitching for Zulia in the Venezuelan Winter League.
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Post by azman on Dec 27, 2019 18:11:07 GMT -8
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Post by aztecryan on Dec 27, 2019 18:57:52 GMT -8
With the important notation that Pham is doing it against MLB competiton.
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Post by azman on Dec 27, 2019 19:57:06 GMT -8
With the important notation that Pham is doing it against MLB competiton. True. Japanese players coming to MLB seem to be either great or terrible. Seems like he could be better than anyone in the Padres OF but Pham though. Sounds like he will be signing somewhere soon, we will see.
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Post by aztecryan on Dec 27, 2019 21:20:33 GMT -8
Are we ever going to see Anderson Espinosa with the big club? His arm has been a mess ever since he came over from the Red Sox There is a name I haven't thought about in some time. What happened to Cesar Carrillo? LOL Espinoza is going to start a throwing program in January.
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Post by aztecmusician on Dec 28, 2019 2:12:51 GMT -8
He has 4 starts at AA, we’ll see how it goes in Spring Training. That's the reason why they won't cave in and make a trade is what I meant. The trade target has to be an obvious upgrade and there aren't many of those willing partners to be had. If the Padres put Gore in the show right out of spring training, he is going to get launched on. It’s a huge jump from Lake Elsinore to Petco Park. If they are smart, The Pads will give Gore some time in Amarillo or El Paso first before exposing him to Coors Field. He didn’t exactly dominate in his limited AA cameo.
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Post by aztecryan on Dec 28, 2019 9:29:20 GMT -8
That's the reason why they won't cave in and make a trade is what I meant. The trade target has to be an obvious upgrade and there aren't many of those willing partners to be had. If the Padres put Gore in the show right out of spring training, he is going to get launched on. It’s a huge jump from Lake Elsinore to Petco Park. If they are smart, The Pads will give Gore some time in Amarillo or El Paso first before exposing him to Coors Field. He didn’t exactly dominate in his limited AA cameo. If they were willing to move Chris Paddack up after 37 innings, there is no reason not to do the same with Gore. He'll force the decision one way or the other. And outside of his Amarillo debut, where the wind was blowing straight out, he was great as the youngest pitcher in the circuit. Coors Field has nothing to do with anything.
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Post by aztecmusician on Dec 28, 2019 11:20:10 GMT -8
If the Padres put Gore in the show right out of spring training, he is going to get launched on. It’s a huge jump from Lake Elsinore to Petco Park. If they are smart, The Pads will give Gore some time in Amarillo or El Paso first before exposing him to Coors Field. He didn’t exactly dominate in his limited AA cameo. If they were willing to move Chris Paddack up after 37 innings, there is no reason not to do the same with Gore. He'll force the decision one way or the other. And outside of his Amarillo debut, where the wind was blowing straight out, he was great as the youngest pitcher in the circuit. Coors Field has nothing to do with anything. Chris Paddack was 23 when he joined the major league club, Gore is 20, a big difference. The Padres are notoriously bad at judging and developing young pitchers, (Miles Mikolas, Matt Wisler, Corey Kluber just to name a few) if they want to fast track Gore right up to the majors then fine, that’s their business. It probably would be smart and in both parties best interest if they fostered a little more development with some success in at least AA ball. Just because AJ Preller’s seat is warming up is no reason to throw Gore into a situation before he is ready.
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Post by aztecryan on Dec 28, 2019 11:32:22 GMT -8
If they were willing to move Chris Paddack up after 37 innings, there is no reason not to do the same with Gore. He'll force the decision one way or the other. And outside of his Amarillo debut, where the wind was blowing straight out, he was great as the youngest pitcher in the circuit. Coors Field has nothing to do with anything. Chris Paddack was 23 when he joined the major league club, Gore is 20, a big difference. The Padres are notoriously bad at judging and developing young pitchers, (Miles Mikolas, Matt Wisler, Corey Kluber just to name a few) if they want to fast track Gore right up to the majors then fine, that’s their business. It probably would be smart and in both parties best interest if they fostered a little more development with some success in at least AA ball. Just because AJ Preller’s seat is warming up is no reason to throw Gore into a situation before he is ready. Is he one of your best 26 players? That's the only question that needs to be answered.
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Post by aztecmusician on Dec 28, 2019 20:58:34 GMT -8
Chris Paddack was 23 when he joined the major league club, Gore is 20, a big difference. The Padres are notoriously bad at judging and developing young pitchers, (Miles Mikolas, Matt Wisler, Corey Kluber just to name a few) if they want to fast track Gore right up to the majors then fine, that’s their business. It probably would be smart and in both parties best interest if they fostered a little more development with some success in at least AA ball. Just because AJ Preller’s seat is warming up is no reason to throw Gore into a situation before he is ready. Is he one of your best 26 players? That's the only question that needs to be answered. It’s not just about stuff. Gore has the stuff to pitch in the majors, however confidence and experience are crucial to pitching at the highest levels. Paddack had success at Ft. Wayne, Lake Elsinore and San Antonio before joining the Padres, it would be a good idea to give Gore at least 8 starts in El Paso or Amarillo before letting the best hitters in baseball take their cuts against him.
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Post by aztecryan on Dec 28, 2019 21:04:21 GMT -8
Is he one of your best 26 players? That's the only question that needs to be answered. It’s not just about stuff. Gore has the stuff to pitch in the majors, however confidence and experience are crucial to pitching at the highest levels. Paddack had success at Ft. Wayne, Lake Elsinore and San Antonio before joining the Padres, it would be a good idea to give Gore at least 8 starts in El Paso or Amarillo before letting the best hitters in baseball take their cuts against him. So you are going to keep him down there for 4 more starts? Seems arbitrary. I'm not sure what Wisler, Kluber and Mikolas have to do with anything. Different regimes entirely. Why in the world would you put Gore in El Paso with a juiced ball? Amarillo is bad enough. Gore's likely going to be up by June, if he doesn't make the club out of spring. I wish he could have pitched in San Antonio like Paddack did. His numbers are skewed by 1 start, essentially.
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Post by aztecmusician on Dec 28, 2019 23:22:20 GMT -8
It’s not just about stuff. Gore has the stuff to pitch in the majors, however confidence and experience are crucial to pitching at the highest levels. Paddack had success at Ft. Wayne, Lake Elsinore and San Antonio before joining the Padres, it would be a good idea to give Gore at least 8 starts in El Paso or Amarillo before letting the best hitters in baseball take their cuts against him. So you are going to keep him down there for 4 more starts? Seems arbitrary. I'm not sure what Wisler, Kluber and Mikolas have to do with anything. Different regimes entirely. Why in the world would you put Gore in El Paso with a juiced ball? Amarillo is bad enough. Gore's likely going to be up by June, if he doesn't make the club out of spring. I wish he could have pitched in San Antonio like Paddack did. His numbers are skewed by 1 start, essentially. Yes, I would give him at least 40 innings at Amarillo before calling him up....of course Tingler and Rothschild might have other plans. They might think a 2021 scenario would be best.
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Post by aztecryan on Dec 29, 2019 8:47:16 GMT -8
So you are going to keep him down there for 4 more starts? Seems arbitrary. I'm not sure what Wisler, Kluber and Mikolas have to do with anything. Different regimes entirely. Why in the world would you put Gore in El Paso with a juiced ball? Amarillo is bad enough. Gore's likely going to be up by June, if he doesn't make the club out of spring. I wish he could have pitched in San Antonio like Paddack did. His numbers are skewed by 1 start, essentially. Yes, I would give him at least 40 innings at Amarillo before calling him up....of course Tingler and Rothschild might have other plans. They might think a 2021 scenario would be best. Him spending another 18 innings at Amarillo is meaningless. His development is not going to be influenced by a couple more starts against AA hitters. If it were not for the blisters, he is very likely up already at this point. You're talking about a kid who had a 0.56 road ERA across 2 leagues as a 20 year old, the second youngest pitcher in both behind only his teammate, another future stud in Luis Patiño. I would still bet on him spending some time in the minors at this point, but with him probably capped at 150 innings or so, I wouldn't waste too many bullets in Texas.
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Post by aztecmusician on Dec 29, 2019 11:50:13 GMT -8
Yes, I would give him at least 40 innings at Amarillo before calling him up....of course Tingler and Rothschild might have other plans. They might think a 2021 scenario would be best. Him spending another 18 innings at Amarillo is meaningless. His development is not going to be influenced by a couple more starts against AA hitters. If it were not for the blisters, he is very likely up already at this point. You're talking about a kid who had a 0.56 road ERA across 2 leagues as a 20 year old, the second youngest pitcher in both behind only his teammate, another future stud in Luis Patiño. I would still bet on him spending some time in the minors at this point, but with him probably capped at 150 innings or so, I wouldn't waste too many bullets in Texas. If he can’t get hitters out at AA, he certainly won’t have success in the bigs. We are arguing In a circle. The bottom line: This is a decision for Tingler, Preller and Rothschild, not some dudes on Aztecmesa.
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