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Post by aztecmusician on Nov 4, 2019 20:15:32 GMT -8
I certainly agree about the base running. Absolutely sub par. That's why you hire a manager with a fundamentals emphasis. We were subpar defensivsly and on the bases, which cost the team wins. I will be disappointed if we bring in more than one pitcher. Need to really save a slot for Gore/Patiño. You hire a manager who can get the very best from his players. If that is Tingler, kudos to AJ Preller. Yes, two SP’s. An Ace and a solid innings guy. If this team is serious about competing for a playoff spot this absolutely needs to happen. Let Paddack, Lucchisi, Gore, Quantrill, Lamet, Patino, jockey for the 3 remaining spots. Depth is good. Let the younger guys learn from the veterans. Kluber/Strasburg Paddack Syndegaard Gore Lucchisi/Lamet/Patino This staff has power pitchers, crafty lefties and youth and will be able to match up with the Dodgers and Dbacks. I know Preller really believes in his prospects, but historically the Padres always do better with veteran SP’s coming in rather than developing their own guys. I can’t explain why, but this tendency transcends GMs and Managers. Maybe Gaylord Perry, Bruce Hurst, Kevin Brown, Greg Maddox, Sterling Hitchcock, Ed Whitson and Fernando can explain it.
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Post by aztecryan on Nov 4, 2019 20:56:12 GMT -8
That's why you hire a manager with a fundamentals emphasis. We were subpar defensivsly and on the bases, which cost the team wins. I will be disappointed if we bring in more than one pitcher. Need to really save a slot for Gore/Patiño. You hire a manager who can get the very best from his players. If that is Tingler, kudos to AJ Preller. Yes, two SP’s. An Ace and a solid innings guy. If this team is serious about competing for a playoff spot this absolutely needs to happen. Let Paddack, Lucchisi, Gore, Quantrill, Lamet, Patino, jockey for the 3 remaining spots. Depth is good. Let the younger guys learn from the veterans. Kluber/Strasburg Paddack Syndegaard Gore Lucchisi/Lamet/Patino This staff has power pitchers, crafty lefties and youth and will be able to match up with the Dodgers and Dbacks. I know Preller really believes in his prospects, but historically the Padres always do better with veteran SP’s coming in rather than developing their own guys. I can’t explain why, but this tendency transcends GMs and Managers. Maybe Gaylord Perry, Bruce Hurst, Kevin Brown, Greg Maddox, Sterling Hitchcock, Ed Whitson and Fernando can explain it. Player development has never been an organizational strongsuit until now. Just don't see two guys coming in, but who knows. I don't want anyone taking innings from Gore at this point. Pitching was a strength in the second half on both sides. The offense is the major problem that needs to be addressed.
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Post by aztecmusician on Nov 4, 2019 23:41:04 GMT -8
You hire a manager who can get the very best from his players. If that is Tingler, kudos to AJ Preller. Yes, two SP’s. An Ace and a solid innings guy. If this team is serious about competing for a playoff spot this absolutely needs to happen. Let Paddack, Lucchisi, Gore, Quantrill, Lamet, Patino, jockey for the 3 remaining spots. Depth is good. Let the younger guys learn from the veterans. Kluber/Strasburg Paddack Syndegaard Gore Lucchisi/Lamet/Patino This staff has power pitchers, crafty lefties and youth and will be able to match up with the Dodgers and Dbacks. I know Preller really believes in his prospects, but historically the Padres always do better with veteran SP’s coming in rather than developing their own guys. I can’t explain why, but this tendency transcends GMs and Managers. Maybe Gaylord Perry, Bruce Hurst, Kevin Brown, Greg Maddox, Sterling Hitchcock, Ed Whitson and Fernando can explain it. Player development has never been an organizational strongsuit until now. Just don't see two guys coming in, but who knows. I don't want anyone taking innings from Gore at this point. Pitching was a strength in the second half on both sides. The offense is the major problem that needs to be addressed. Pitching was not a strength. Aside from Yates, who was stellar, Paddack who was good, pretty much everyone else was wildly inconsistent. The staff ERA was 4.60 while walks and gopher balls were way too high. This team does not hit well enough to overcome those numbers, the starters must be upgraded.
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Post by aztecryan on Nov 5, 2019 8:50:02 GMT -8
Player development has never been an organizational strongsuit until now. Just don't see two guys coming in, but who knows. I don't want anyone taking innings from Gore at this point. Pitching was a strength in the second half on both sides. The offense is the major problem that needs to be addressed. Pitching was not a strength. Aside from Yates, who was stellar, Paddack who was good, pretty much everyone else was wildly inconsistent. The staff ERA was 4.60 while walks and gopher balls were way too high. This team does not hit well enough to overcome those numbers, the starters must be upgraded. They were just outside the top 10 in the 2nd half in the rotation with the youngest rotation in baseball, despite being limited in innings. They are going to attempt to bring in a frontline guy, as has been rumored forever. But you have to fix the offense. This team hasn't hit better than 24th at home since 2010.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 5, 2019 9:25:34 GMT -8
Because having your best offensive player miss 84 games and your biggest free agent signing in history underperform mean nothing, obviously. Any idea why Machado underperformed? Machado's numbers were down because the entire team sucked offensively and have for years. There is not a guy on the Padres that any pitcher is afraid of. No one protects anybody. Myers, Hosmer, Kinsler, Renfroe, Margot and Hedges SUCK!! They are the Special K Club. Urias and Naylor haven't exactly been impressive. Tatis Jr can't carry the the entire team on his back. Machado will be fine when the guys around him can stop sucking. Don't mean to be so harsh, but that's the reality of it.
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Post by aztecryan on Nov 5, 2019 9:46:31 GMT -8
Any idea why Machado underperformed? Machado's numbers were down because the entire team sucked offensively and have for years. There is not a guy on the Padres that any pitcher is afraid of. No one protects anybody. Myers, Hosmer, Kinsler, Renfroe, Margot and Hedges SUCK!! They are the Special K Club. Urias and Naylor haven't exactly been impressive. Tatis Jr can't carry the the entire team on his back. Machado will be fine when the guys around him can stop sucking. Don't mean to be so harsh, but that's the reality of it. Lineup protection isn't a real thing. You can't explain away why Tatis was successful and Machado was not because of that. Machado underperformed because of bad luck, a willingness to expand the strike zone and poor hitting at home.
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Post by aztecmusician on Nov 5, 2019 15:29:43 GMT -8
Pitching was not a strength. Aside from Yates, who was stellar, Paddack who was good, pretty much everyone else was wildly inconsistent. The staff ERA was 4.60 while walks and gopher balls were way too high. This team does not hit well enough to overcome those numbers, the starters must be upgraded. They were just outside the top 10 in the 2nd half in the rotation with the youngest rotation in baseball, despite being limited in innings. They are going to attempt to bring in a frontline guy, as has been rumored forever. But you have to fix the offense. This team hasn't hit better than 24th at home since 2010. “Just outside of the top 10 in the second half?!” Sounds like Tom Craft. Mark my words...two starters. Look at the World Series teams. Both featured Aces in their 1-3 rotation spots. Luchessi, Lauer, Lamet, Paddack, Gore, Quantrill. That staff isn’t built to win anything.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 5, 2019 16:06:53 GMT -8
Machado's numbers were down because the entire team sucked offensively and have for years. There is not a guy on the Padres that any pitcher is afraid of. No one protects anybody. Myers, Hosmer, Kinsler, Renfroe, Margot and Hedges SUCK!! They are the Special K Club. Urias and Naylor haven't exactly been impressive. Tatis Jr can't carry the the entire team on his back. Machado will be fine when the guys around him can stop sucking. Don't mean to be so harsh, but that's the reality of it. Lineup protection isn't a real thing. You can't explain away why Tatis was successful and Machado was not because of that. Machado underperformed because of bad luck, a willingness to expand the strike zone and poor hitting at home. Sorry to burst your bubble, but lineup protection is a real thing. Analytical baseball people say it doesn't exist. But many current, past players and managers would disagree including pitchers. It's been and is something of substance. But of course not for the sh!++y hitting Padres. $225 million for Myers and Hosmer. 👍 Really don't see how the Padres are going to overcome that horrible lineup. And like some posters have stated, the Friars better add some veteran pitching to help keep the runs down or it's gonna be another long season.
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Post by AztecBill on Nov 5, 2019 16:26:28 GMT -8
Any idea why Machado underperformed? Yes. Hit .219 at Petco, with a ridiculously low .230 BABIP. His opposite field approach resulted in a lot of deep fly balls to right that became outs because the ball just didn't carry a ton that way, especially at night. His road splits were phenomenal : .289/.369/.513. I know Aztecmusician thinks starting pitching is the major issue, but the numbers don't back it up. In the second half of last season, the Padres as a team slashed .233/.311/.384. They were 28th in baserunning, 28th in team offensive WAR. Pitching ranked 9th in terms of FIP (ahead of the Nationals) and 11th in WAR over that time period. On the pitching side, there is a major gap between starting pitching ERA and FIP, 0.60. That means there is a disconnect in the defense, the alignment and the execution. That was the 2nd largest gap in baseball. Tingler's been lauded for his baserunning and outfield defense work, which were two major issues for the Padres last year. You quote Petco numbers to describe why Manny underperformed and then say the pitching is fine because of overall numbers. Only the Pirates allowed more runs in road games than the Padres. The pitching must improve a lot if the Padres are to be "well above" .500, next season. On offense the Padres scored more than 5 other NL teams on the road.
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Post by aztecryan on Nov 5, 2019 22:18:44 GMT -8
Yes. Hit .219 at Petco, with a ridiculously low .230 BABIP. His opposite field approach resulted in a lot of deep fly balls to right that became outs because the ball just didn't carry a ton that way, especially at night. His road splits were phenomenal : .289/.369/.513. I know Aztecmusician thinks starting pitching is the major issue, but the numbers don't back it up. In the second half of last season, the Padres as a team slashed .233/.311/.384. They were 28th in baserunning, 28th in team offensive WAR. Pitching ranked 9th in terms of FIP (ahead of the Nationals) and 11th in WAR over that time period. On the pitching side, there is a major gap between starting pitching ERA and FIP, 0.60. That means there is a disconnect in the defense, the alignment and the execution. That was the 2nd largest gap in baseball. Tingler's been lauded for his baserunning and outfield defense work, which were two major issues for the Padres last year. You quote Petco numbers to describe why Manny underperformed and then say the pitching is fine because of overall numbers. Only the Pirates allowed more runs in road games than the Padres. The pitching must improve a lot if the Padres are to be "well above" .500, next season. On offense the Padres scored more than 5 other NL teams on the road. I was specifically talking about the second half of the year with regards to the starters, when we went into a nosedive. Illustrating that pitching was not the reason for it. The offense was a major problem in the second half.
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Post by aztecryan on Nov 5, 2019 22:19:51 GMT -8
Lineup protection isn't a real thing. You can't explain away why Tatis was successful and Machado was not because of that. Machado underperformed because of bad luck, a willingness to expand the strike zone and poor hitting at home. Sorry to burst your bubble, but lineup protection is a real thing. Analytical baseball people say it doesn't exist. But many current, past players and managers would disagree including pitchers. It's been and is something of substance. But of course not for the sh!++y hitting Padres. $225 million for Myers and Hosmer. 👍 Really don't see how the Padres are going to overcome that horrible lineup. And like some posters have stated, the Friars better add some veteran pitching to help keep the runs down or it's gonna be another long season. There are dozens of articles that dispel the notion. Literally.
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Post by aztecryan on Nov 5, 2019 22:21:50 GMT -8
They were just outside the top 10 in the 2nd half in the rotation with the youngest rotation in baseball, despite being limited in innings. They are going to attempt to bring in a frontline guy, as has been rumored forever. But you have to fix the offense. This team hasn't hit better than 24th at home since 2010. “Just outside of the top 10 in the second half?!” Sounds like Tom Craft. Mark my words...two starters. Look at the World Series teams. Both featured Aces in their 1-3 rotation spots. Luchessi, Lauer, Lamet, Paddack, Gore, Quantrill. That staff isn’t built to win anything. _______, Paddack, Gore, Lamet and Richards is a top 10 staff, if that top of the rotation arm comes through. Health is the question mark, but that's not something you can predict.
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Post by canthandlethetecs on Nov 5, 2019 23:41:42 GMT -8
If we don’t get top of the line starting pitching we will never win anything. You can throw as many articles or stats at me as you’d like, but I don’t give a $#!+. Look at Scherzer and Strasburg. That was an epic duo. We do not have that now and. I need to see it to believe it from anyone on this team, Paddack included.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 6, 2019 7:50:48 GMT -8
Sorry to burst your bubble, but lineup protection is a real thing. Analytical baseball people say it doesn't exist. But many current, past players and managers would disagree including pitchers. It's been and is something of substance. But of course not for the sh!++y hitting Padres. $225 million for Myers and Hosmer. 👍 Really don't see how the Padres are going to overcome that horrible lineup. And like some posters have stated, the Friars better add some veteran pitching to help keep the runs down or it's gonna be another long season. There are dozens of articles that dispel the notion. Literally. And there are dozens of articles where hitters, pitchers and managers do believe it exists. Literally!! Here is one from a manager you might have heard of. www.espn.com/blog/chicago/cubs/post/_/id/37054/joe-maddon-knows-one-thing-about-his-batting-order-protection-is-key
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Post by aztecryan on Nov 6, 2019 9:34:49 GMT -8
Good for Joe, but data exists that shows it isn't reality. Anyway, not hijacking the thread. Interesting tidbit on Green, Preller and Tingler today : There was a disconnect in the communication process between Green and Preller, which is pretty common knowledge. Tingler's time in the front office was viewed as a major asset to help improve that situation. If your manager and your GM are not in concert....major problem.
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