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Post by aztecwin on Aug 9, 2009 2:29:58 GMT -8
Got news: Your health care is already rationed by the insurance company bureaucrats far more than it would be under any single payer system. Actually he has not been rationed by the insurance companies because he's received "socialized health care" since the time he enlisted. It's the one thing Pooh cannot get by - he had coverage of himself and his kids since the time he enlisted and has had it since he retired from the Nav before the age of 40. Pooh likes to bitch, but he has never been without government run health care during his entire adult life. He just wants to complain that others don't have what he has simply because they didn't float on boats for 20 years. =Bob I have pretty good albeit very expensive care for my family. Now just what part of that care do you think that I, along with every other retired serviceman, did not earn? What is wrong with wanting the very best for everyone else at responsible cost? Somehow I get that recurring feeling that you want what I earned but that you are not willing to pay the price. Now you want me to pay for you as well? Is that it? Again, we need carefully thought out reform. ObamaKare is not that reform.
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Post by Bob Forsythe on Aug 9, 2009 17:28:27 GMT -8
Actually he has not been rationed by the insurance companies because he's received "socialized health care" since the time he enlisted. It's the one thing Pooh cannot get by - he had coverage of himself and his kids since the time he enlisted and has had it since he retired from the Nav before the age of 40. Pooh likes to bitch, but he has never been without government run health care during his entire adult life. He just wants to complain that others don't have what he has simply because they didn't float on boats for 20 years. =Bob I have pretty good albeit very expensive care for my family. Now just what part of that care do you think that I, along with every other retired serviceman, did not earn? What is wrong with wanting the very best for everyone else at responsible cost? Somehow I get that recurring feeling that you want what I earned but that you are not willing to pay the price. Now you want me to pay for you as well? Is that it? Again, we need carefully thought out reform. ObamaKare is not that reform. You don't pay for me now. My retirement association negotiates the costs, but I pay them all by my lonesome. And if I had to guess, you pay nowhere near the more than 12,000 bucks a year I pay for the two of us. There is nothing at all wrong with wanting the very best for everyone at a reasonable cost. What is wrong is the claim that tort reform will lead to lower insurance costs rather than just leading to greater insurance company profits. It's the same argument I've heard over and over about cutting land use permit fees - that cutting the fees will lower the cost of housing. That's patent nonsense and were I in the development business, I'd just say thank you for increasing my profit and continue to charge what the market will bear. That bears up in the two states with tort reform, California and Texas. Punitive damages are locked in both states and yet health insurance still goes up like crazy every year. My retirement association says that we can expect an 8-12 percent increase in premiums come January. The general calculation on health care increases is 3 percent above inflation, but that's incorrect because the costs are going up far more than that in both states that have tort reform. =Bob
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Post by Bob Forsythe on Aug 9, 2009 17:39:11 GMT -8
You don't want Obama pulling the plug on your 92 year old Mother do you? Why would that be the case under any of the 5 plans now being considered in Congress when it isn't the case now? And tell ya what, if my mother was in such shape as needing a plug, she'd want it pulled. I suspect most people her age would. The problem the Republicans have on this, and it's one the Democrats should push more, is that you guys lost all your credibility on the issue after the Terry Schiavo debacle. Because of that, all you have left is filling the public with fear. Unfortunately, a lot of stupid people believe the nonsense the right-wing puts out with comments about "death panels" and other crap. =Bob
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Post by davdesid on Aug 10, 2009 15:57:49 GMT -8
>>>You don't pay for me now. My retirement association negotiates the costs, but I pay them all by my lonesome. And if I had to guess, you pay nowhere near the more than 12,000 bucks a year I pay for the two of us.<<<the=Perfesser Well, why should anyone shed a tear about your career decisions? Maybe you should have become an auto worker. Sure beats the military: www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/47525.php
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Post by aztecwin on Aug 11, 2009 4:54:35 GMT -8
You don't want Obama pulling the plug on your 92 year old Mother do you? Why would that be the case under any of the 5 plans now being considered in Congress when it isn't the case now? And tell ya what, if my mother was in such shape as needing a plug, she'd want it pulled. I suspect most people her age would. The problem the Republicans have on this, and it's one the Democrats should push more, is that you guys lost all your credibility on the issue after the Terry Schiavo debacle. Because of that, all you have left is filling the public with fear. Unfortunately, a lot of stupid people believe the nonsense the right-wing puts out with comments about "death panels" and other crap. =Bob That is why most people have a living will as part of their estate plan. The problem is that we want to make that call in conjunction with our families. I don't think many folks want a "Obama euthanasia squad" to make that call even if it were to be the same outcome. I know that we have about five different versions of health care reform sloshing around in Congress, none of which make sense by themselves. What is wrong with slowing down and do one sensible thing at a time? Start with tort reform and address how malpractice insurance should be cost-ed out. Proceed from there with other aspects like getting illegals out of the equation. his does not have to be rushed through and botched up.
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Post by aztecwin on Aug 11, 2009 4:55:32 GMT -8
I have pretty good albeit very expensive care for my family. Now just what part of that care do you think that I, along with every other retired serviceman, did not earn? What is wrong with wanting the very best for everyone else at responsible cost? Somehow I get that recurring feeling that you want what I earned but that you are not willing to pay the price. Now you want me to pay for you as well? Is that it? Again, we need carefully thought out reform. ObamaKare is not that reform. You don't pay for me now. My retirement association negotiates the costs, but I pay them all by my lonesome. And if I had to guess, you pay nowhere near the more than 12,000 bucks a year I pay for the two of us. There is nothing at all wrong with wanting the very best for everyone at a reasonable cost. What is wrong is the claim that tort reform will lead to lower insurance costs rather than just leading to greater insurance company profits. It's the same argument I've heard over and over about cutting land use permit fees - that cutting the fees will lower the cost of housing. That's patent nonsense and were I in the development business, I'd just say thank you for increasing my profit and continue to charge what the market will bear. That bears up in the two states with tort reform, California and Texas. Punitive damages are locked in both states and yet health insurance still goes up like crazy every year. My retirement association says that we can expect an 8-12 percent increase in premiums come January. The general calculation on health care increases is 3 percent above inflation, but that's incorrect because the costs are going up far more than that in both states that have tort reform. =Bob I know I don't pay for you now, but it sounds like you want me to. Go back and read. Got to run. Tee time in 15 minutes.
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