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Post by ab on Jul 24, 2017 14:51:45 GMT -8
KC trades for Padres' Cahill, Maurer, Buchter
MLB.com | The Royals and Padres completed a trade on Monday that sent pitchers Brandon Maurer, Trevor Cahill and Ryan Buchter to Kansas City for Travis Wood, Matt Strahm and a prospect.
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Post by sdcoug on Jul 24, 2017 15:32:33 GMT -8
I hope the minor leaguer Esteury Ruiz has very good upside or the "cash" they gave us is a LOT because neither Wood/Strahm scream "even trade" in my book.
Am I missing something? Are we saving a ton in salaries moving forward?
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Post by aztecryan on Jul 24, 2017 15:38:55 GMT -8
Not sure how we gave up a TON - Wood is one season removed from a 2.95 ERA with the Cubs, which is essentially what Buchter is doing this season. Strahm has a BIG fastball, up to 96, but has had walk issues this season (atypical based on his minor league track record), and he'll miss the rest of the year with a knee issue. Ben Badler, Ken Rosenthal, Jeff Passan and others are high on Ruiz, he's raking in the Arizona League right now to the tune of .419/.440 and slugging over .700. Royals are paying Wood's entire salary for this season and next, as well. Ruiz has a chance to hit for power and average. www.baseballamerica.com/majors/royals-get-three-righthanders-from-padres/#H95Y2oD1kHIXqOe6.97
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Post by sdcoug on Jul 24, 2017 16:06:16 GMT -8
Not sure how we gave up a TON - Wood is one season removed from a 2.95 ERA with the Cubs, which is essentially what Buchter is doing this season. Strahm has a BIG fastball, up to 96, but has had walk issues this season (atypical based on his minor league track record), and he'll miss the rest of the year with a knee issue. Ben Badler, Ken Rosenthal, Jeff Passan and others are high on Ruiz, he's raking in the Arizona League right now to the tune of .419/.440 and slugging over .700. Royals are paying Wood's entire salary for this season and next, as well. Ruiz has a chance to hit for power and average. www.baseballamerica.com/majors/royals-get-three-righthanders-from-padres/#H95Y2oD1kHIXqOe6.97So, in a nutshell: - Wood is free for 2 years, so worth the gamble for Cahill in hopes that SD = his Cub performance - Taking a chance Strahm's knee heals & he develops something to go with that BIG fastball - This trade is ALL about Ruiz! And we're wanting to give someone else a shot at closing.... Think Hand gets dealt by the 31st? Assume he gets the nod to close to start with.
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Post by aztecryan on Jul 24, 2017 17:00:43 GMT -8
Hand is near-certain to be traded before the 31st. I think Preller is just trying to leverage the deadline against the bidding teams to maximize a return. His track record for identifying young talent is pretty strong (Fernando Tatis Jr just hit a 387 foot laser into the Indiana night a half hour ago)...I think this trade speaks to the bullpen depth we have in San Antonio and El Paso. Wingenter, Wieck, Yardley and others. I think Wood is a candidate to be flipped next year at the deadline just like Cahill was. The fact we piece together bullpens relatively easily, coupled with the magic of Darren Balsley, I'm perfectly fine with this deal as it's structured. I think Ruiz, while super far from the majors, has a chance to be a legitimate stud. Top 100 prospect material in a year.
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Post by ab on Jul 25, 2017 20:49:58 GMT -8
Not sure how we gave up a TON - Wood is one season removed from a 2.95 ERA with the Cubs, which is essentially what Buchter is doing this season. Strahm has a BIG fastball, up to 96, but has had walk issues this season (atypical based on his minor league track record), and he'll miss the rest of the year with a knee issue. Ben Badler, Ken Rosenthal, Jeff Passan and others are high on Ruiz, he's raking in the Arizona League right now to the tune of .419/.440 and slugging over .700. Royals are paying Wood's entire salary for this season and next, as well. Ruiz has a chance to hit for power and average. www.baseballamerica.com/majors/royals-get-three-righthanders-from-padres/#H95Y2oD1kHIXqOe6.97Bottomline is that we traded 3 major league players for a 17 year old PROSPECT. Wood sucks this year and Strahm is out for months and as you said he's got wildness issues.
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Post by ab on Jul 25, 2017 20:53:11 GMT -8
Hand is near-certain to be traded before the 31st. I think Preller is just trying to leverage the deadline against the bidding teams to maximize a return. His track record for identifying young talent is pretty strong (Fernando Tatis Jr just hit a 387 foot laser into the Indiana night a half hour ago)...I think this trade speaks to the bullpen depth we have in San Antonio and El Paso. Wingenter, Wieck, Yardley and others. I think Wood is a candidate to be flipped next year at the deadline just like Cahill was. The fact we piece together bullpens relatively easily, coupled with the magic of Darren Balsley, I'm perfectly fine with this deal as it's structured. I think Ruiz, while super far from the majors, has a chance to be a legitimate stud. Top 100 prospect material in a year. You're writing this like you're the PR guy for the Pads. You even said Ruiz has a chance....blah blah blah. So do all the other prospects we've got. We had 3 major league players and now we've really got none in return for now. As for Hand, look at the White Sox haul from the Cubs. The White Sox now have 10 out of the top 100 prospects overall. If Hand brings us a Top 25 MLB prospect then go for it. If he brings some bottom dwellar single A hack then forget it.
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Post by missiontrails on Jul 25, 2017 21:14:11 GMT -8
Hand is near-certain to be traded before the 31st. I think Preller is just trying to leverage the deadline against the bidding teams to maximize a return. His track record for identifying young talent is pretty strong (Fernando Tatis Jr just hit a 387 foot laser into the Indiana night a half hour ago)...I think this trade speaks to the bullpen depth we have in San Antonio and El Paso. Wingenter, Wieck, Yardley and others. I think Wood is a candidate to be flipped next year at the deadline just like Cahill was. The fact we piece together bullpens relatively easily, coupled with the magic of Darren Balsley, I'm perfectly fine with this deal as it's structured. I think Ruiz, while super far from the majors, has a chance to be a legitimate stud. Top 100 prospect material in a year. You're writing this like you're the PR guy for the Pads. You even said Ruiz has a chance....blah blah blah. So do all the other prospects we've got. We had 3 major league players and now we've really got none in return for now. As for Hand, look at the White Sox haul from the Cubs. The White Sox now have 10 out of the top 100 prospects overall. If Hand brings us a Top 25 MLB prospect then go for it. If he brings some bottom dwellar single A hack then forget it. A setup guy is NOT going to bring in a top 25 prospect. Even one who was our (token) all star. The bullpen was one area on the club that was deep, and they are mostly interchangeable anyway. The team this year isn't going anywhere. But yeah, small market baseball is very frustrating. Even if these players do pan out eventually, if they get really good, we will eventually lose them in future salary dumping deals. An endless, frustrating cycle.
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Post by aztecryan on Jul 25, 2017 21:56:06 GMT -8
I'm no PR guy for the Padres. I just follow people that know more than I do and then do my own homework on top of it. Everyone's wrong once in a blue moon, but we had a scrap heap reliever (Buchter) A rental starter with two DL stints (Cahill) and an up and down closer (Maurer)....None of whom really fit the rebuild going forward. Interchangeable parts, as was already noted. And yes, based on the scouting reports and Preller's acumen for identifying talent (Tatis, Henry, Morejon, Ona, Almanzar, Arias, Barley, Lopez, Ornelas, etc)....I'm inclined to give Ruiz a legitimate shot. Fernando Tatis was 6'0" and 150 when he was signed by the White Sox. Ruiz is 6'0 and 150 pounds. Not saying he'll end up being Tatis whatsoever, but time will tell.
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Post by aardvark on Jul 25, 2017 21:58:50 GMT -8
Not sure how we gave up a TON - Wood is one season removed from a 2.95 ERA with the Cubs, which is essentially what Buchter is doing this season. Strahm has a BIG fastball, up to 96, but has had walk issues this season (atypical based on his minor league track record), and he'll miss the rest of the year with a knee issue. Ben Badler, Ken Rosenthal, Jeff Passan and others are high on Ruiz, he's raking in the Arizona League right now to the tune of .419/.440 and slugging over .700. Royals are paying Wood's entire salary for this season and next, as well. Ruiz has a chance to hit for power and average. www.baseballamerica.com/majors/royals-get-three-righthanders-from-padres/#H95Y2oD1kHIXqOe6.97Bottomline is that we traded 3 major league players for a 17 year old PROSPECT. Wood sucks this year and Strahm is out for months and as you said he's got wildness issues. We already have an 18 year-old prospect (Ruiz is 18) that is two levels ahead of Ruiz who plays the same position. Fernando Tatis Jr. is playing at Ft Wayne and doing pretty damn well. Move one of them to 2nd base. Now.
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Post by AztecBill on Jul 26, 2017 11:22:50 GMT -8
Bottomline is that we traded 3 major league players for a 17 year old PROSPECT. Wood sucks this year and Strahm is out for months and as you said he's got wildness issues. We already have an 18 year-old prospect (Ruiz is 18) that is two levels ahead of Ruiz who plays the same position. Fernando Tatis Jr. is playing at Ft Wayne and doing pretty damn well. Move one of them to 2nd base. Now. Ruiz is listed as a 2B and has only played at 2B and DH this season. www.baseballamerica.com/statistics/players/cards/10668/esteury-ruiz
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Post by aardvark on Jul 26, 2017 11:32:11 GMT -8
We already have an 18 year-old prospect (Ruiz is 18) that is two levels ahead of Ruiz who plays the same position. Fernando Tatis Jr. is playing at Ft Wayne and doing pretty damn well. Move one of them to 2nd base. Now. Ruiz is listed as a 2B and has only played at 2B and DH this season. www.baseballamerica.com/statistics/players/cards/10668/esteury-ruizAnd that's good. Appears to be done at SS for now. Perhaps soon, the Padres could pair the two up (assuming that Ruiz continues to develop) and keep them together.
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Post by ab on Jul 26, 2017 15:52:34 GMT -8
You're writing this like you're the PR guy for the Pads. You even said Ruiz has a chance....blah blah blah. So do all the other prospects we've got. We had 3 major league players and now we've really got none in return for now. As for Hand, look at the White Sox haul from the Cubs. The White Sox now have 10 out of the top 100 prospects overall. If Hand brings us a Top 25 MLB prospect then go for it. If he brings some bottom dwellar single A hack then forget it. A setup guy is NOT going to bring in a top 25 prospect. Even one who was our (token) all star. The bullpen was one area on the club that was deep, and they are mostly interchangeable anyway. The team this year isn't going anywhere. But yeah, small market baseball is very frustrating. Even if these players do pan out eventually, if they get really good, we will eventually lose them in future salary dumping deals. An endless, frustrating cycle. Maybe Hand should be closing. Buchter was ahead of him early in the season and then Hand seemed to be used more in key times. I'm no fan of Kevin Acee of the UT but he made some valid points today.. "Ryyan Buchter appeared in 26 of the Padres’ 43 victories before he was traded Monday to the Kansas City Royals. Brandon Maurer appeared in 30 Padres victories before he got on a plane with Buchter headed to meet their new team on its road trip. Brad Hand, who is going somewhere soon, has pitched in 29 of the Padres’ victories. Some combination of Buchter and/or Hand and/or Maurer appeared in all but six of the Padres’ victories. The Big Three combined for 31 holds in victories and 24 saves.Maybe some of you have more patience than I but this one step forward and 2 steps back every year just isn't cutting it in my World. The Pads have admitted that it's going to be a couple years before we're contenders. Tatis and Ruiz are 17 or 18. Will they stay healthy? Will they hit? Will they field? Will they be up here in 2 years before they can legally buy a drink? Time will tell.
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Post by sdcoug on Jul 26, 2017 18:30:19 GMT -8
Fowler hinted on 1090 today that Hand most likely isn't going anywhere. He may be just be jockeying, but it appeared they value Hand more than other teams do and they are not willing to bend. Things can always change but I wouldn't say it's a given he gets traded.
The more I look at and read about the trade the more I like it. We got what appears to be a very solid prospect, and really gave up nothing that will impact the future of the Padres, other than maybe costing us a win or two this year (& if those promoted step into the roles Buchter/Maurer played fairly well not even that).
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Post by AztecBill on Jul 27, 2017 7:16:40 GMT -8
Fowler hinted on 1090 today that Hand most likely isn't going anywhere. He may be just be jockeying, but it appeared they value Hand more than other teams do and they are not willing to bend. Things can always change but I wouldn't say it's a given he gets traded. The more I look at and read about the trade the more I like it. We got what appears to be a very solid prospect, and really gave up nothing that will impact the future of the Padres, other than maybe costing us a win or two this year (& if those promoted step into the roles Buchter/Maurer played fairly well not even that). costing us a win or two this season may actually be better for the future also
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Post by ignoranus on Jul 27, 2017 7:21:25 GMT -8
The one guy that the Padres absolutely have to keep is our hometown hero Darren Balsley. He is the real key to the Padres bullpen success over many years. He resurrects pitching careers and then does it again for more guys the next year. Year after year!
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Post by missiontrails on Jul 27, 2017 7:49:00 GMT -8
A setup guy is NOT going to bring in a top 25 prospect. Even one who was our (token) all star. The bullpen was one area on the club that was deep, and they are mostly interchangeable anyway. The team this year isn't going anywhere. But yeah, small market baseball is very frustrating. Even if these players do pan out eventually, if they get really good, we will eventually lose them in future salary dumping deals. An endless, frustrating cycle. Maybe Hand should be closing. Buchter was ahead of him early in the season and then Hand seemed to be used more in key times. I'm no fan of Kevin Acee of the UT but he made some valid points today.. "Ryyan Buchter appeared in 26 of the Padres’ 43 victories before he was traded Monday to the Kansas City Royals. Brandon Maurer appeared in 30 Padres victories before he got on a plane with Buchter headed to meet their new team on its road trip. Brad Hand, who is going somewhere soon, has pitched in 29 of the Padres’ victories. Some combination of Buchter and/or Hand and/or Maurer appeared in all but six of the Padres’ victories. The Big Three combined for 31 holds in victories and 24 saves.Maybe some of you have more patience than I but this one step forward and 2 steps back every year just isn't cutting it in my World. The Pads have admitted that it's going to be a couple years before we're contenders. Tatis and Ruiz are 17 or 18. Will they stay healthy? Will they hit? Will they field? Will they be up here in 2 years before they can legally buy a drink? Time will tell. I hear you, it sucks. That's why I tend to prefer college sports over pro. Though of course money ruins intercollegiate sports too, just to a lesser extent.
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Post by AztecBill on Jul 27, 2017 14:19:12 GMT -8
Maybe Hand should be closing. Buchter was ahead of him early in the season and then Hand seemed to be used more in key times. I'm no fan of Kevin Acee of the UT but he made some valid points today.. "Ryyan Buchter appeared in 26 of the Padres’ 43 victories before he was traded Monday to the Kansas City Royals. Brandon Maurer appeared in 30 Padres victories before he got on a plane with Buchter headed to meet their new team on its road trip. Brad Hand, who is going somewhere soon, has pitched in 29 of the Padres’ victories. Some combination of Buchter and/or Hand and/or Maurer appeared in all but six of the Padres’ victories. The Big Three combined for 31 holds in victories and 24 saves.Maybe some of you have more patience than I but this one step forward and 2 steps back every year just isn't cutting it in my World. The Pads have admitted that it's going to be a couple years before we're contenders. Tatis and Ruiz are 17 or 18. Will they stay healthy? Will they hit? Will they field? Will they be up here in 2 years before they can legally buy a drink? Time will tell. I hear you, it sucks. That's why I tend to prefer college sports over pro. Though of course money ruins intercollegiate sports too, just to a lesser extent. I think the Padres are finally working with a long term plan. It sucks to wait but patience is what we needed years ago. Houston, KC model.
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Post by aardvark on Jul 28, 2017 10:34:45 GMT -8
I hear you, it sucks. That's why I tend to prefer college sports over pro. Though of course money ruins intercollegiate sports too, just to a lesser extent. I think the Padres are finally working with a long term plan. It sucks to wait but patience is what we needed years ago. Houston, KC model. At least Houston, when they decided to "rebuild" (or tank, or whatever you want to call it), they did it right. They lost 106 games in 2011, 107 games in 2012, and 111 games in 2013. They had the number 1 overall pick in 2012, 2013 and 2014. They also had the 2nd overall pick in 2015. It took KC awhile to get going after their tank, er, losing seasons in '04 (104 losses), '05 (106), and '06 (100). After this season, they will be in FA hell, having to decide who to keep, who to trade and who to resign. Their payroll is already $140 million--pretty high for that market. The Padres, on the other hand, can't even tank properly. They aren't good enough to do much of anything, but they are too good (as of now) to lose 100 games. If they had the 2018 draft today, they would pick 6th. Fortunately, they already (allegedly) have talent in their farm system. After this year's draft, the Padres farm system is ranked 9th. They were ranked 6th before the draft. It's time the Padres hang on to their minor leaguers, and let them develop in the minor leagues.
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Post by missiontrails on Jul 28, 2017 11:11:16 GMT -8
I think the Padres are finally working with a long term plan. It sucks to wait but patience is what we needed years ago. Houston, KC model. At least Houston, when they decided to "rebuild" (or tank, or whatever you want to call it), they did it right. They lost 106 games in 2011, 107 games in 2012, and 111 games in 2013. They had the number 1 overall pick in 2012, 2013 and 2014. They also had the 2nd overall pick in 2015. It took KC awhile to get going after their tank, er, losing seasons in '04 (104 losses), '05 (106), and '06 (100). After this season, they will be in FA hell, having to decide who to keep, who to trade and who to resign. Their payroll is already $140 million--pretty high for that market. The Padres, on the other hand, can't even tank properly. They aren't good enough to do much of anything, but they are too good (as of now) to lose 100 games. If they had the 2018 draft today, they would pick 6th. Fortunately, they already (allegedly) have talent in their farm system. After this year's draft, the Padres farm system is ranked 9th. They were ranked 6th before the draft. It's time the Padres hang on to their minor leaguers, and let them develop in the minor leagues. True to an extent, but the key is smart drafting - and developing. The Padres have a terrible draft history picking even with the numbers 1-5 picks. They don't necessarily have a great history with minor league player development either. Perhaps that will change? That is their only hope.
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