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Post by uwphoto on Jun 17, 2017 13:13:31 GMT -8
It will be interesting to see what comes out of the investigation. I've been on boats all my life, including delivering yachts from Costa Rica to San Diego. How in the world does a 1.5 billion $$ US military vessel collide with a cargo vessel 3 x its size (and much less maneuverable) 12 miles off the beach!!!!! I know those shipping lanes are busy, but geez...somebody is in big trouble. Maybe north Korea scrambled our navigation and it happened at night? In the modern era, and with our technology, I just don't see how this can happen unless somebody really blew it bad.
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Post by davdesid on Jun 17, 2017 14:14:04 GMT -8
It will be interesting to see what comes out of the investigation. I've been on boats all my life, including delivering yachts from Costa Rica to San Diego. How in the world does a 1.5 billion $$ US military vessel collide with a cargo vessel 3 x its size (and much less maneuverable) 12 miles off the beach!!!!! I know those shipping lanes are busy, but geez...somebody is in big trouble. Maybe north Korea scrambled our navigation and it happened at night? In the modern era, and with our technology, I just don't see how this can happen unless somebody really blew it bad. I don't want to jump to conclusions, but at first glance it appears that the DD was the burdened vessel in a crossing situation and had a duty to maneuver to avoid. I base that on the fact that it was t-boned on the starboard side. I stress, just at first glance. |
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Post by uwphoto on Jun 17, 2017 14:48:45 GMT -8
It will be interesting to see what comes out of the investigation. I've been on boats all my life, including delivering yachts from Costa Rica to San Diego. How in the world does a 1.5 billion $$ US military vessel collide with a cargo vessel 3 x its size (and much less maneuverable) 12 miles off the beach!!!!! I know those shipping lanes are busy, but geez...somebody is in big trouble. Maybe north Korea scrambled our navigation and it happened at night? In the modern era, and with our technology, I just don't see how this can happen unless somebody really blew it bad. I don't want to jump to conclusions, but at first glance it appears that the DD was the burdened vessel in a crossing situation and had a duty to maneuver to avoid. I base that on the fact that it was t-boned on the starboard side. I stress, just at first glance. Yea, as you know..those giant container ships cannot slow, or change course without going a really long distance first...like a mile or two.. ..cannot imagine the situation that would lead up to this... |
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Post by uwphoto on Jun 17, 2017 14:52:41 GMT -8
Ps, can you imagine being on the bridge and knowing that thing is about to plow you!!..holy $#!+.
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Post by uwphoto on Aug 21, 2017 18:04:20 GMT -8
WTF?  . This is hard to do. Three stooges on the bridge? Hookers and whiskey on the bridge? North Korea jamming our electronics? The ships we are hitting are huge and not maneuverable. Big, commercial vessels emit a signal indicating position, speed, direction. How in the world are we hitting these things? Makes zero sense...any theories? |
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Post by davdesid on Aug 22, 2017 10:07:59 GMT -8
WTF? . This is hard to do. Three stooges on the bridge? Hookers and whiskey on the bridge? North Korea jamming our electronics? The ships we are hitting are huge and not maneuverable. Big, commercial vessels emit a signal indicating position, speed, direction. How in the world are we hitting these things? Makes zero sense...any theories? Well, in this instance, the tanker hit the DDG on the port side. Assuming no equipment casualties like steering, the DDG was the privileged vessel and required to maintain steady course and speed. Too early for us to know. Of course just as likely as whiskey and whores is too much sensitivity and diversity training at the expense of seamanship.  |
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Post by uwphoto on Aug 22, 2017 10:16:54 GMT -8
WTF? . This is hard to do. Three stooges on the bridge? Hookers and whiskey on the bridge? North Korea jamming our electronics? The ships we are hitting are huge and not maneuverable. Big, commercial vessels emit a signal indicating position, speed, direction. How in the world are we hitting these things? Makes zero sense...any theories? Well, in this instance, the tanker hit the DDG on the port side. Assuming no equipment casualties like steering, the DDG was the privileged vessel and required to maintain steady course and speed. Too early for us to know. Of course just as likely as whiskey and whores is too much sensitivity and diversity training at the expense of seamanship. Somebody equated it to a Ferrari colliding with a garbage truck...about right, except add in the open sea versus a city street. I get seamanship, but geez....throw in the most sophisticated instruments in the world, alarms..and hopefully experienced officers...still boggles my mind.. |
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Post by aztecwin on Aug 22, 2017 14:32:17 GMT -8
We do not know everything in these last two cases. First questions that come to mind are 1. Was CIC aware of what was going on? 2. What was visibility for bridge lookouts? 3. Was the CAS System (Collision Avoidance System) aboard and working. 4. What were the OOD, JOOD, and Quartermaster Of the Watch doing? There are others. The thing I heard about the last couple days is electronic jamming or hacking. These seem least likely to me since the ships built know are pretty well hardened. (shielded)
My opinion is overworked and undertrained Officers and Crew due to manning, money, operation tempo can take a toll.
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. This is hard to do. Three stooges on the bridge? Hookers and whiskey on the bridge? North Korea jamming our electronics? The ships we are hitting are huge and not maneuverable. Big, commercial vessels emit a signal indicating position, speed, direction. How in the world are we hitting these things? Makes zero sense...any theories?
