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Post by retiredaztec on Apr 29, 2017 7:35:40 GMT -8
OK, here I go again with this absurd topic that just continues to tread water.....as this thread actually contemplates the idea of the demise of Aztec football, let me ONCE AGAIN reiterate what might have been....
from Wikipedia....
"Aztec Bowl hosted the San Diego State University Aztecs football team until they moved to Qualcomm Stadium in 1967. The stadium held 12,592 people at its peak and cost $500,000 to build. It was dedicated on October 3, 1936 before 7,500 people, after being completed earlier that year.
The stadium was initially supposed to be expanded to 45,000 seats but was expanded only once, to 5,000 seats in 1948".
...now as we move along to our current situation, let me just say, if Aztec football does go the way of the Dodo bird, I'm going to look at Cox Arena and go...."PU!".
I also believe the transition to move Aztec football off campus was successful in no small part because Don Coryell was the head coach and his base would have followed him anywhere. As such, looking at how the base has diminished over the following decades, I would question the wisdom of fighting so hard for a new stadium in MV if the current, and future generation, of students aren't going to make the effort to attend games if it means they have to "hoof" if to a stadium WAY off campus. And community support? Well.......
Is this post offering a solution? Hell no. I'm hard pressed on this point to imagine a solution. AGAIN, it didn't have to get to this. And assuming this does get to a ballot down the road, I'm hard pressed to imagine SDSU in a better position than it is now. Just a feeling... 
Also, from Wikipedia--"Currently Viejas Arena (formerly Cox Arena), the school's basketball arena, sits on the site of the stadium." Aztec Bowl is gone, and it's been gone for over 20 years. It's time to move on. Still.
The point I will continue to drive is "actions have consequences" and SDSU has no one to blame for this current situation but themselves.
Now, moving forward, as an Alumnus and University contributor, I don't recall receiving any correspondence from the University regarding the Chargers possible departure from San Diego and
what opportunities this could present for our Alma Mater. In other words, action as opposed to reaction.
So on the outside looking in, as it appears only those on this board really give a crap about post-Chargers, I'm hard pressed to garner any real support for "the cause". The University sat on its
thumbs when it was decided to turn its back on its own stadium and it is pretty much doing the same thing regarding "next steps" post-Chargers.
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Post by aardvark on Apr 29, 2017 9:29:05 GMT -8
Also, from Wikipedia--"Currently Viejas Arena (formerly Cox Arena), the school's basketball arena, sits on the site of the stadium." Aztec Bowl is gone, and it's been gone for over 20 years. It's time to move on. Still.
The point I will continue to drive is "actions have consequences" and SDSU has no one to blame for this current situation but themselves.
Now, moving forward, as an Alumnus and University contributor, I don't recall receiving any correspondence from the University regarding the Chargers possible departure from San Diego and
what opportunities this could present for our Alma Mater. In other words, action as opposed to reaction.
So on the outside looking in, as it appears only those on this board really give a crap about post-Chargers, I'm hard pressed to garner any real support for "the cause". The University sat on its
thumbs when it was decided to turn its back on its own stadium and it is pretty much doing the same thing regarding "next steps" post-Chargers.
Nothing new. And the point I will continue to drive is that Aztec Bowl no longer exists. Yes--they would appear to have dropped the ball regarding a place to play, but Aztec Bowl was never going to be the answer. |
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Post by junior on Apr 29, 2017 9:48:50 GMT -8
The point I will continue to drive is "actions have consequences" and SDSU has no one to blame for this current situation but themselves.
Now, moving forward, as an Alumnus and University contributor, I don't recall receiving any correspondence from the University regarding the Chargers possible departure from San Diego and
what opportunities this could present for our Alma Mater. In other words, action as opposed to reaction.
So on the outside looking in, as it appears only those on this board really give a crap about post-Chargers, I'm hard pressed to garner any real support for "the cause". The University sat on its
thumbs when it was decided to turn its back on its own stadium and it is pretty much doing the same thing regarding "next steps" post-Chargers.
Nothing new. And the point I will continue to drive is that Aztec Bowl no longer exists. Yes--they would appear to have dropped the ball regarding a place to play, but Aztec Bowl was never going to be the answer. Well, they would've had to dig that bowl down to the same level as X lot to put in 40k seats, but it probably could've been done. I like Viejas right where it is however - I just wish it, too, had a little more capacity. |
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Post by AzTex on Apr 29, 2017 10:21:53 GMT -8
And the point I will continue to drive is that Aztec Bowl no longer exists. Yes--they would appear to have dropped the ball regarding a place to play, but Aztec Bowl was never going to be the answer. Well, they would've had to dig that bowl down to the same level as X lot to put in 40k seats, but it probably could've been done. I like Viejas right where it is however - I just wish it, too, had a little more capacity. They wouldn't have had to dig down to the level of the X lot. The two end zones would have been closed in with seating. The the seating at the top would have been extended upward. Possibility an upper deck like was done to Balboa Stadium when the Chargers came to town. |
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Post by jmarshall on Apr 29, 2017 12:03:48 GMT -8
Alright, let me see if I understand. We haven't played a regular season football game in Aztec Bowl for 50 years. It sat empty for 30 years before Viejas was built. For the past 20 years Viejas has had NCAA Basketball, SDSU basketball, zillions of concerts and other events. So we should have left the site sit for 50 years in case sometime in the future we might not have access to the stadium where we have played for all that time. Damn! How short sighted of them.
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Post by Village Aztec on Apr 29, 2017 17:20:19 GMT -8
We had no money to build a stadium so we went to a 50,000 stadium at no up front cost. Our First game drew 43,000. We got to keep Don Coryell. Would he have waited for us to build a new stadium. No. Remember we were Division 2. Hard to build a D1 stadium when your D2. We only had 50 scholarships. We recruited JC players. Could never get to 60 with players dropping out and getting hurt. You can't give out 35 scholarships a year to make up. Try winning when 1/2 your team has never played a game. So Don invented a simpler way to call plays.
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Post by aztecjeff on Apr 30, 2017 4:15:05 GMT -8
sunspot.sdsu.edu/map/sdsu_map.pdfActually, here's a "best case" scenario instead! Referring to the campus map above, SDSU could remove the multi level parking structure (see parking lot 12) just north of Viejas Arena and build the new football stadium in the canyon somewhere between Viejas and the freeway. There's plenty of land in that canyon to build a 45,000 seat stadium. Canyon Crest Drive could either pass "under" or around the new stadium. If you look at the land I'm referring to, it's an outstanding location for the stadium. That's why the old Aztec Bowl was built in that canyon in the first place. It just takes a little imagination, but this is not an impossible task to accomplish. The majority of parking doesn't necessarily have to be located adjacent to the new stadium either. All current parking structures on campus would be used for game day parking. Another multi level parking structure could be built somewhere between Viejas and the new football stadium (for handicapped parking). Another multi level structure could be built between the new stadium and the freeway (see parking lot 15) with access directly from College Avenue. The area around the new stadium wouldn't be any more crowded with vehicles on "game day" than it currently is for basketball games at Viejas Arena. The balance of the parking needs could be accommodated through a combination of trolley parking, and building additional multi level parking structures just east of College Avenue (see parking lots 1, 2, 2a, 2b and 17c. I would recommend leaving one area around those structures open for tailgating purposes. Just before kickoff, those people would then parade across campus on their way to the new stadium. Part of the nostalgia of "game day" is actually walking across campus and remembering the good old days of campus life. This is a real solution for an "on campus" Aztec Stadium. Why waste time with the Mission Valley site when this would fulfill all of SDSU's long term stadium needs? The best part is that San Diego State already owns the land, and the University would be in full control of its own stadium. Plus, the University wouldn't have to share additional income generated from parking, skyboxes, concessions, outdoor concerts, etc. In addition, television networks simply love the whole "game day" experience, the campus life, the on campus stadium, the tailgating, the parties, the celebrations and the nostalgia it all brings to mind. Imagine what the campus would be like after the Aztecs win a sellout Conference Championship game, or beating the likes of UCLA, Stanford or BYU in our own on campus stadium (while forcing their fans to walk across campus just to get to and from the game)? There would be bedlam all around! Can you imagine the home field advantage this stadium would create? What an awesome thought! This is what SDSU truly needs, and just what SDSU would get with on campus stadium!
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Post by aztecnails on Apr 30, 2017 12:16:17 GMT -8
This has already been addressed by SDSU mentioning that Balboa Stadium is the most logical choice and worst case scenario. There are feasible ways to increase the seating there at Balboa to accommodate SDSU in the short term. Again, this is worst case scenario but they have mentioned it before. balboa stadium...puke. no parking and landlocked by downtown |
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Post by aztecnails on Apr 30, 2017 12:28:47 GMT -8
my message was that fans in other cities take public transportation to sporting events. second, balboa stadium can be expanded to 40,000 and more and has a city bus/trolley stop at city college/san diego high school. parking while nice is not a mandate. I take the trolley to Aztec basketball. only negative is the plane noise while flying overhead. use the Aztec bowl design and allow fans on the field after key wins. example number one was the las vegas bowl where Aztecs fans celebrated on the field after the las vegas bowl trashing of Houston. also, the parking lot where the trolley enters campus from the west would have made a great stadium but is now not an option.
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Post by Montezumas Revenge 88 on Apr 30, 2017 12:52:31 GMT -8
Worst case scenario: Aztecs are playing in TJ 
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Post by Top of the Pyramid on May 1, 2017 11:02:43 GMT -8
Do you have a link for the new apartments? I heard there were complaints from the local community about the scope of the project and I'd like to see some of the schematics and plans for this development. Scroll down to the bottom and see Phase 1. It's changed a little since the report. Current discussion is two residence halls next to the existing one and a dining hall closer to 55th. There are consultants currently working on the project so I'd say it's moving forward. Here are some images of what the proposed residence halls would look like when all phases are completed. This project is massive. land-lab.com/project/sdsu-west-campus-housing-masterplan/ |
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