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Post by bolt1963 on Jan 2, 2017 17:58:49 GMT -8
Acees latest column says coming back for one more shot at a vote in 2018 or 2020 would require the Chargers to cede their LA option to the Raiders. That would pretty much go against everything Mark Fabiani said the last few years about being locked out of LA with no certainty of a stadium in San Diego. Also, the $375M would be general fund dollars. Working toward passage of that vote, which would require a simple majority because it does not involve a tax increase, would require Spanos to commit to San Diego and cede his option in Los Angeles.
While the Raiders were granted the option to move to L.A. if the Chargers do not, the league can assemble the musical chairs however it wants.
The most likely way that happens is in the approval of the Raiders’ relocation application. That would leave a space open in Los Angeles, taking away the urgency for the Chargers to decide.
Owners covet the league’s spot in the East Bay due to the size of the market and burgeoning economy, and there is no guarantee the Raiders’ relocation request will be approved. But many, if not all, of the same owners who are efforting the Chargers remaining in San Diego are also championing the Raiders proposed move to Las Vegas.
Several sources said the league can maneuver it so a spot can be kept open in Inglewood. Many of those sources indicated maintaining an opening in L.A. is the actual priority over keeping the Chargers where they are.
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Post by SDSU-Alum2003 on Jan 2, 2017 18:47:42 GMT -8
Acees latest column says coming back for one more shot at a vote in 2018 or 2020 would require the Chargers to cede their LA option to the Raiders. That would pretty much go against everything Mark Fabiani said the last few years about being locked out of LA with no certainty of a stadium in San Diego. Also, the $375M would be general fund dollars. Some of that is from SDSU. I wonder how much?
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Post by laaztec on Jan 4, 2017 20:35:56 GMT -8
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Post by retiredaztec on Jan 4, 2017 21:36:44 GMT -8
Well, ultimately, this IS San Diego. I was foolish to forget.
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Post by retiredaztec on Jan 4, 2017 22:08:44 GMT -8
You know I was in high school just to the north when the Rockets left San Diego. It left a lot of people pretty traumatized. Fortunately, the city had the Don Coryell led Aztecs as well as the Chargers. But that was then. Now? If the Chargers leave, don't hold your breath. Ultimately, this IS the San Diego sports scene. The difference is, I don't live there any more. It would drive me crazy. By the way, read Bill Geppert's commentary in today's Union-Tribune. It's pretty much becoming a running joke. Only in San Diego..
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Post by The Aztec Panther on Jan 4, 2017 22:27:55 GMT -8
You know I was in high school just to the north when the Rockets left San Diego. It left a lot of people pretty traumatized. Fortunately, the city had the Don Coryell led Aztecs as well as the Chargers. But that was then. Now? If the Chargers leave, don't hold your breath. Ultimately, this IS the San Diego sports scene. The difference is, I don't live there any more. It would drive me crazy. By the way, read Bill Geppert's commentary in today's Union-Tribune. It's pretty much becoming a running joke. Only in San Diego.. If the Chargers do leave, as expected, San Diego will officially be a s#!++y sports town. One of the most pathetic in the country (among those who have had major league sports teams and are still in the Top 30 in Population). NFL football is played at a much higher level than even the best P5 college football, and if we don't have a team, the excitement of watching the NFL will be greatly diminished for SAN DIEGO Chargers fans. Pro Basketball? Who cares? We don't have a team. NHL? Whatever. MLB? We've got a AAAA team. If the Chargers leave then to say San Diego SUCKS as a sports town will be an understatement.
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Post by jdaztec on Jan 4, 2017 22:38:09 GMT -8
I like watching The NFL on tv but do not like the game day experience at all . I really enjoy attending Aztec Games. I would prefer The Chargers stay but only if they build downtown and leave Mission Valley to SDSU. I can root for The Chargers if they are in LA or SD.
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Post by The Aztec Panther on Jan 4, 2017 22:58:22 GMT -8
I like watching The NFL on tv but do not like the game day experience at all . I really enjoy attending Aztec Games. I would prefer The Chargers stay but only if they build downtown and leave Mission Valley to SDSU. I can root for The Chargers if they are in LA or SD. Yeah, but for those of us who are actually SAN DIEGO NATIVES losing the Chargers means they are no longer OUR team. We won't have a horse in the race. The NFL season will be interesting, but not engaging. It won't be the same if they win the Super Bowl in Los Angeles because then Los Angeles gets yet another championship where San Diego has never had a major league championship, and at that point probably never will (the AFL was the USFL of it's day, they were just lucky enough to be around when the NFL only had about 12 teams so they had a chance to help the NFL expand by merging the two leagues - but until the Jets won the Super Bowl the AFL was a second class citizen when it came to pro football).
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Post by aztecbolt on Jan 4, 2017 23:47:51 GMT -8
If the Chargers leave, the NFL will take a big hit in San Diego. And even though the Aztecs are playing well, they play in the Mountain West. That ain't gonna cut it to fill the void for the vast majority of San Diegans. Hell, a lot of San Diegans don't even care about football in the first place.
The Padres will never amount to anything, especially with how the MLB is structured. If MV gets gobbled up by developers, we won't even get the MLS here.
I agree, San Diego would become the worst sports town ever.
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Post by bolt1963 on Jan 5, 2017 4:07:15 GMT -8
On the rivals mainboard, the board for all college football fans with 15K plus online all day. The consistent narrative when the Chargers relocation comes up is always how pathetic San Diego is as a sports city and why would the Chargers stay. I used to to take offense and argue, but have come to accept that's our national reputation. Great place to live, crappy place to be a sports fan
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Post by fanhood on Jan 5, 2017 4:58:48 GMT -8
Well, they would not be meeting if they were not planning on leaving. Thank god. Get the hell out of here.
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Post by hoobs on Jan 5, 2017 5:14:48 GMT -8
Well, they would not be meeting if they were not planning on leaving. Thank god. Get the hell out of here.[/quote] Eh, not necessarily. Could be a meeting for the league to vote on an increased subsidy towards a SD stadium for the Chargers and formally extending the Jan 15 deadline for them... Clearly not what I hope to see happen, but quite plausible.
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Post by bolt1963 on Jan 5, 2017 7:17:37 GMT -8
Well, they would not be meeting if they were not planning on leaving. Thank god. Get the hell out of here. Reports yesterday were they are meeting to bridge the gap in the financing
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Post by Fishn'Aztec on Jan 5, 2017 7:39:57 GMT -8
Well, they would not be meeting if they were not planning on leaving. Thank god. Get the hell out of here. Reports yesterday were they are meeting to bridge the gap in the financing Well, I hope it's to bridge the gap to start construction downtown and SDSU West is approved!
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Post by fanhood on Jan 5, 2017 9:15:20 GMT -8
Well, they would not be meeting if they were not planning on leaving. Thank god. Get the hell out of here. Reports yesterday were they are meeting to bridge the gap in the financing Link?
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Post by bolt1963 on Jan 5, 2017 9:30:11 GMT -8
Reports yesterday were they are meeting to bridge the gap in the financing Link? I am on the road and don't have the time right now. I thought it may have been from Acees article yesterday, but didn't see it there. It was all over the sports stations yesterday and this morning. It's even part of 1090s commercial update. Was recently scheduled. The "thought" being the NFL coming up with the money to bridge the gap and keep San Diego as a NFL city. Whether that plays out, I don't know. But if I wanted the Chargers to GTFO, wouldn't be the least bit excited for the meeting.
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Post by MontezumaPhil on Jan 5, 2017 9:36:48 GMT -8
I like watching The NFL on tv but do not like the game day experience at all . I really enjoy attending Aztec Games. I would prefer The Chargers stay but only if they build downtown and leave Mission Valley to SDSU. I can root for The Chargers if they are in LA or SD. Yeah, but for those of us who are actually SAN DIEGO NATIVES losing the Chargers means they are no longer OUR team. We won't have a horse in the race. The NFL season will be interesting, but not engaging. For me it won't even be engaging. Having a horse in the race means everything. Saying goodbye to the NFL will do one good thing for me--it will free up a whole lot of hours in the autumn, because I will absolutely never watch another pro football game again. I will have zero interest. Haven't watched an NBA game in 32 years. Couldn't care less.
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Post by ptsdthor on Jan 5, 2017 10:38:25 GMT -8
The broadcaster for the AFC games would like better access to the LA market (not just the NFC with the Rams), so I can see the NFL powers wanting to satisfy that itch. And I see Kronke wanting another team to provide some return on his investment in the Inglewood site as he keeps the ancillary sales associated with the 10 annual dates (or more with playoffs) from the Chargers.
On the other hand, I see Kronke seeing the Chargers only as a negative when he considers their impact on Rams ticket & luxury suite sales and I see the other NFL Team owners seeing the combined net worth of the Rams and Chargers only being drawn down as two teams suffer/compete for the LA market. I also think Jerry Jones doesn't want the Chargers to bolt to San Antonio as soon as they are able after their unsuccessful move to LA. I think the other NFL owners like their periodic trips to SD and the NFL, in general, fared well with SD based Super Bowls when they had them. And while the SD market is not that large, it is not insignificant and does have a relatively affluent viewership that the NFL broadcasters may not want to abandon altogether.
The Spanos family needs a place for their team to play and they want as much free money as they can get. Just being an NFL team owner, they get enough free money to get by (they cry all the way to the bank, every year).
As it now with the offer being the Mission Valley site, $375 Million (+/-) from SD combined and $200 Million or so from the NFL, it probably doesn't pencil out for the Spanos family to build their own stadium in Mission Valley. Access/ownership/condemnation/eminent domain issues associated with the Downtown site is very complicated and, without the vote, will be hard to overcome.
Long story short....unless Jerry Jones controls the NFL by proxy and the NFL significantly ups their contribution to a new stadium in SD Mission Valley, the Chargers move to LA next year and will move again as soon as they are allowed to do so.
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Post by aardvark on Jan 5, 2017 11:19:30 GMT -8
The broadcaster for the AFC games would like better access to the LA market (not just the NFC with the Rams), so I can see the NFL powers wanting to satisfy that itch. And I see Kronke wanting another team to provide some return on his investment in the Inglewood site as he keeps the ancillary sales associated with the 10 annual dates (or more with playoffs) from the Chargers. On the other hand, I see Kronke seeing the Chargers only as a negative when he considers their impact on Rams ticket & luxury suite sales and I see the other NFL Team owners seeing the combined net worth of the Rams and Chargers only being drawn down as two teams suffer/compete for the LA market. I also think Jerry Jones doesn't want the Chargers to bolt to San Antonio as soon as they are able after their unsuccessful move to LA. I think the other NFL owners like their periodic trips to SD and the NFL, in general, fared well with SD based Super Bowls when they had them. And while the SD market is not that large, it is not insignificant and does have a relatively affluent viewership that the NFL broadcasters may not want to abandon altogether. The Spanos family needs a place for their team to play and they want as much free money as they can get. Just being an NFL team owner, they get enough free money to get by (they cry all the way to the bank, every year). As it now with the offer being the Mission Valley site, $375 Million (+/-) from SD combined and $200 Million or so from the NFL, it probably doesn't pencil out for the Spanos family to build their own stadium in Mission Valley. Access/ownership/condemnation/eminent domain issues associated with the Downtown site is very complicated and, without the vote, will be hard to overcome. Long story short....unless Jerry Jones controls the NFL by proxy and the NFL significantly ups their contribution to a new stadium in SD Mission Valley, the Chargers move to LA next year and will move again as soon as they are allowed to do so. I don't really think Kroenke wants the Raiders in LA, since that is the only other possibility for a team in LA currently. Also, the AFC broadcaster already passes up Charger games whenever possible, and shows Raider games--probably due to ratings boon they get from the Raiders as opposed to the Chargers. And I really don't think the Chargers even want to go to San Antonio, even though I think that market would really support the team, and would probably build them a new stadium that would cost Spanos little to nothing out of his pocket. There is (allegedly) already a site picked out for a new stadium in San Antonio on the west side of the city to replace the Alamodome.
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Post by laaztec on Jan 5, 2017 13:13:22 GMT -8
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