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Post by myownwords on Jan 1, 2017 12:47:38 GMT -8
NFL football teams do not make a city a major league City...just ask Buffalo, Cleveland, Jacksonville, Detroit, etc...San Diego will not go into some deep economic or personal identity crisis because a subpar nfl franchise leaves. If you get your civic pride from a team like the Chargers, I suggest that you need to examine your life very carefully... Good grief - where did I say any of that? Major League Cities provide entertainment options you wouldn't get in smaller cities. We're already teetering the line sans NHL and NBA. Do I derive my personal identity from the Padres and Chargers? No. But I was born and raised having that entertainment option - attending countless games for both. Hell - I even went to the SDSU vs. Miami game in 1990 Maybe if SDSU was in the PAC when I was growing up, I'd feel differently. But as it is, San Diego is efforting to become Portland. While Portland is a nice little city - it's just that - a little city. myownwords - College Station is an absolute **** hole and the aggy cult is from another planet. That place is frightening. Bolt1963, I know, I've been there. Just messin' with ya.
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Post by sandiegopete on Jan 1, 2017 16:33:25 GMT -8
It should be interesting to see who the Chargers draw in LA. First of all, the Chargers are worse than the Rams. Second, the Raiders have more fans in LA than the Chargers ever will. Third, what company is going to provide tickets to a Charger game just so they can tell their clients that they couldn't get tickets to the Rams so they are giving them the next best thing?
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Post by bolt1963 on Jan 1, 2017 16:37:37 GMT -8
It should be interesting to see who the Chargers draw in LA. First of all, the Chargers are worse than the Rams. Second, the Raiders have more fans in LA than the Chargers ever will. Third, what company is going to provide tickets to a Charger game just so they can tell their clients that they couldn't get tickets to the Rams so they are giving them the next best thing? Chargers will be an unmitigated disaster in LA for a long time IMO. But their value will rise. So there's that.
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Post by FULL_MONTY on Jan 1, 2017 16:44:21 GMT -8
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Post by hoobs on Jan 1, 2017 18:03:30 GMT -8
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Post by aztecbolt on Jan 1, 2017 18:58:50 GMT -8
It should be interesting to see who the Chargers draw in LA. First of all, the Chargers are worse than the Rams. Second, the Raiders have more fans in LA than the Chargers ever will. Third, what company is going to provide tickets to a Charger game just so they can tell their clients that they couldn't get tickets to the Rams so they are giving them the next best thing? Chargers will be an unmitigated disaster in LA for a long time IMO. But their value will rise. So there's that. I'm not even so sure about that. Being a disaster in LA, isn't going to help their value, especially when you offset it with the $650 billion debt (probably closer to $750M with all the other costs) and no stake in the stadium.
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Post by bolt1963 on Jan 1, 2017 19:23:14 GMT -8
True. It would have to be the long play. Would the Clippers have sold what they did for in San Diego? I hate LA with an unbridled passion in most regards. But it is what it is. The Chargers will file for relocation in the next couple weeks then we'll see whether San Diego steps up and/or Spanos is ready to deal. But will be absolutely shocked if they don't file.
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Post by aztecmouse on Jan 1, 2017 19:27:29 GMT -8
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Post by aztecmouse on Jan 1, 2017 19:28:39 GMT -8
True. It would have to be the long play. Would the Clippers have sold what they did for in San Diego? I hate LA with an unbridled passion in most regards. But it is what it is. The Chargers will file for relocation in the next couple weeks then we'll see whether San Diego steps up and/or Spanos is ready to deal. But will be absolutely shocked if they don't file. I thought the were already approved? Why would they still have to file for relocation? It's just a matter of agreeing to Kroenke's deal, no?
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Post by bolt1963 on Jan 1, 2017 19:38:13 GMT -8
True. It would have to be the long play. Would the Clippers have sold what they did for in San Diego? I hate LA with an unbridled passion in most regards. But it is what it is. The Chargers will file for relocation in the next couple weeks then we'll see whether San Diego steps up and/or Spanos is ready to deal. But will be absolutely shocked if they don't file. I thought the were already approved? Why would they still have to file for relocation? It's just a matter of agreeing to Kroenke's deal, no? Yes. They are approved, but still have to file. And just because they file, doesn't mean they are 100% leaving. At least that's my understanding.
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Post by aztecbolt on Jan 1, 2017 20:06:59 GMT -8
True. It would have to be the long play. Would the Clippers have sold what they did for in San Diego? I hate LA with an unbridled passion in most regards. But it is what it is. The Chargers will file for relocation in the next couple weeks then we'll see whether San Diego steps up and/or Spanos is ready to deal. But will be absolutely shocked if they don't file. One important thing: it didn't cost Sterling close to a billion dollars to move to LA.
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Post by aardvark on Jan 1, 2017 20:17:54 GMT -8
True. It would have to be the long play. Would the Clippers have sold what they did for in San Diego? I hate LA with an unbridled passion in most regards. But it is what it is. The Chargers will file for relocation in the next couple weeks then we'll see whether San Diego steps up and/or Spanos is ready to deal. But will be absolutely shocked if they don't file. All they have to do is exercise the option to relocate. It was already approved last year, and the terms of the deal with Kroenke were approved recently.
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Post by aardvark on Jan 1, 2017 20:22:09 GMT -8
Chargers will be an unmitigated disaster in LA for a long time IMO. But their value will rise. So there's that. I'm not even so sure about that. Being a disaster in LA, isn't going to help their value, especially when you offset it with the $650 billion debt (probably closer to $750B with all the other costs) and no stake in the stadium. Change the "B" to an "M". And their value may indeed rise in the short term, but if they don't start winning, Spanos won't be able to take advantage of the rise in franchise value all that much, as by NFL rule, he can't sell the franchise for at least 10 years (or maybe 15 years, as I forget which) without incurring a huge financial penalty. Unless, of course, the NFL changes the rules. Again.
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Post by bolt1963 on Jan 1, 2017 20:39:30 GMT -8
True. It would have to be the long play. Would the Clippers have sold what they did for in San Diego? I hate LA with an unbridled passion in most regards. But it is what it is. The Chargers will file for relocation in the next couple weeks then we'll see whether San Diego steps up and/or Spanos is ready to deal. But will be absolutely shocked if they don't file. All they have to do is exercise the option to relocate. It was already approved last year, and the terms of the deal with Kroenke were approved recently. As for the Stadium Game, San Diego ain’t dead yet. It’s in the best interest of the NFL and the Spanoses to apply maximum heat. So, expect an announcement soon that the Chargers are filing relocation papers. Los Angeles doesn’t want the Bolts. And the relocation announcement won’t preclude further talks with San Diego City Hall. But playing the L.A. card via announcing intent, which also could expand the pool of coach candidates, was probably a fait accompli once San Diego voters rejected the hastily conceived, imperiously presented Chargers stadium initiative, the bloated Measure C, in November. www.sandiegouniontribune.com/sports/chargers/sd-sp-chargers-spanos-mccoy-chiefs-20170101-story.htmlAnd yes NFL - LA can totally support two teams. Going to be brilliant.
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Post by aztecbolt on Jan 1, 2017 20:55:20 GMT -8
All they have to do is exercise the option to relocate. It was already approved last year, and the terms of the deal with Kroenke were approved recently. As for the Stadium Game, San Diego ain’t dead yet. It’s in the best interest of the NFL and the Spanoses to apply maximum heat. So, expect an announcement soon that the Chargers are filing relocation papers. Los Angeles doesn’t want the Bolts. And the relocation announcement won’t preclude further talks with San Diego City Hall. But playing the L.A. card via announcing intent, which also could expand the pool of coach candidates, was probably a fait accompli once San Diego voters rejected the hastily conceived, imperiously presented Chargers stadium initiative, the bloated Measure C, in November. www.sandiegouniontribune.com/sports/chargers/sd-sp-chargers-spanos-mccoy-chiefs-20170101-story.htmlIf I had to guess what's going to happen, I think on the 15th, Spanos will "exercise" the LA option that includes a deal so that Kroenke can start selling PSLs, while the Chargers spend two more years trying to work a deal down here. Maybe Dean gets a little something out of the Kroenke PSL deal that helps him out here. If it all fails, he can move into the new stadium in 2019. The wildcard is the Raiders. They have a sweet deal in Vegas but I think the league really wants them to stay in Oakland so who knows how they will play into all this. I really don't get it though. They are the ones who should be in LA. That's where their rabid fanbase is still at. The Rams are already playing in front of empty stadiums and the Chargers will always be playing in empty stadiums there.
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Post by aztecmouse on Jan 1, 2017 20:55:20 GMT -8
All they have to do is exercise the option to relocate. It was already approved last year, and the terms of the deal with Kroenke were approved recently. As for the Stadium Game, San Diego ain’t dead yet. It’s in the best interest of the NFL and the Spanoses to apply maximum heat. So, expect an announcement soon that the Chargers are filing relocation papers. Los Angeles doesn’t want the Bolts. And the relocation announcement won’t preclude further talks with San Diego City Hall. But playing the L.A. card via announcing intent, which also could expand the pool of coach candidates, was probably a fait accompli once San Diego voters rejected the hastily conceived, imperiously presented Chargers stadium initiative, the bloated Measure C, in November. www.sandiegouniontribune.com/sports/chargers/sd-sp-chargers-spanos-mccoy-chiefs-20170101-story.htmlAnd yes NFL - LA can totally support two teams. Going to be brilliant. If you wanna see an empty stadium, you should talk a look at Full_Monty's link at the top of this page.
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Post by bolt1963 on Jan 1, 2017 20:59:11 GMT -8
As for the Stadium Game, San Diego ain’t dead yet. It’s in the best interest of the NFL and the Spanoses to apply maximum heat. So, expect an announcement soon that the Chargers are filing relocation papers. Los Angeles doesn’t want the Bolts. And the relocation announcement won’t preclude further talks with San Diego City Hall. But playing the L.A. card via announcing intent, which also could expand the pool of coach candidates, was probably a fait accompli once San Diego voters rejected the hastily conceived, imperiously presented Chargers stadium initiative, the bloated Measure C, in November. www.sandiegouniontribune.com/sports/chargers/sd-sp-chargers-spanos-mccoy-chiefs-20170101-story.htmlAnd yes NFL - LA can totally support two teams. Going to be brilliant. If you wanna see an empty stadium, you should talk a look at Full_Monty's link at the top of this page. I saw it and to be expected. Also of note though, the media faces the north side where it's always more visitors. The South side was fairly full of Chargers fans. Regardless, for how fed up we all are with this garbage, it's of no surprise. Last thing I wanted to do was go to a LA Chargers game today.
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Post by aztecmouse on Jan 1, 2017 21:10:13 GMT -8
If you wanna see an empty stadium, you should talk a look at Full_Monty's link at the top of this page. I saw it and to be expected. Also of note though, the media faces the north side where it's always more visitors. The South side was fairly full of Chargers fans. Regardless, for how fed up we all are with this garbage, it's of no surprise. Last thing I wanted to do was go to a LA Chargers game today. Aztec fans are well aware of what direction those cameras point and how it can be deceiving. The thing is, for all this talk about how an NFL team is a civic asset and source of town pride, that's an awful lot of empty seats and red jerseys. Still, it's pretty sad to see where things are today. I honestly feel like it's in the best interest of everyone if the Chargers went for LA. Sure, they won't be packing stadiums right away, but in the long run I think it's the right move. Fan bases aren't static; they can grow in LA. Regardless, I hope they decide one way or another soon. All this uncertainty isn't helping out the team. Heck, if things go right, a move to LA could solidify them as SoCal's NFL team. We all know the Rams aren't much of a threat for that.
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Post by bolt1963 on Jan 1, 2017 21:14:16 GMT -8
They aren't a source of civic pride right now and this short term snap shot is no where close to the historical lens of the Chargers relationship in San Diego. You know that. Totally unfair to pass any judgments from these last two years at Qualcomm.
LA has never been a good NFL City. Don't think it's good for the NFL. Could end up working out for Spanos in the long run- can't disagree there. But it's just a bad look for a business that has been taking hit after hit recently.
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Post by aztecbolt on Jan 1, 2017 21:30:48 GMT -8
I saw it and to be expected. Also of note though, the media faces the north side where it's always more visitors. The South side was fairly full of Chargers fans. Regardless, for how fed up we all are with this garbage, it's of no surprise. Last thing I wanted to do was go to a LA Chargers game today. Aztec fans are well aware of what direction those cameras point and how it can be deceiving. The thing is, for all this talk about how an NFL team is a civic asset and source of town pride, that's an awful lot of empty seats and red jerseys. Still, it's pretty sad to see where things are today. I honestly feel like it's in the best interest of everyone if the Chargers went for LA. Sure, they won't be packing stadiums right away, but in the long run I think it's the right move. Fan bases aren't static; they can grow in LA. Regardless, I hope they decide one way or another soon. All this uncertainty isn't helping out the team. Heck, if things go right, a move to LA could solidify them as SoCal's NFL team. We all know the Rams aren't much of a threat for that. Ain't gonna happen. LA has a lot of strong sports teams and one thing you can say about Spanos is that he's not a winner. 10 winning seasons in 30+ years. They'll never fill stadiums in LA.
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