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Post by The Aztec Panther on Dec 30, 2016 16:09:46 GMT -8
We've gone over this. With your own stadium, you're also responsible for operations and maintenance. LOL! Judging by the de facto running of The Q by the NFL, I'll gladly let SDSU take over those tasks!! The NFL doesn't own or run the Q. The city does.
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Post by aztecwin on Dec 30, 2016 16:16:06 GMT -8
Sharing a stadium with the Chargers would not be as bad as sharing The "Q". Part of the problem now is that it is a dual use stadium and not very good seating for football. A 32K seat venue will not do the trick. We need to control parking and concessions at least on game day. Most things could be worked out to benefit the Aztecs if there is a will.
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Post by aardvark on Dec 30, 2016 16:40:45 GMT -8
The County wants SDSU to kick in 100 million. SDSU could build an on campus stadium for something close to that. Not trying to start a disagreement here, but--how do you know this?
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Post by laaztec on Dec 30, 2016 17:00:56 GMT -8
The County wants SDSU to kick in 100 million. SDSU could build an on campus stadium for something close to that. Not trying to start a disagreement here, but--how do you know this? Jason Cole said on twitter that's what they want SDSU to put in.
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Post by FULL_MONTY on Dec 30, 2016 17:10:00 GMT -8
The County wants SDSU to kick in 100 million. SDSU could build an on campus stadium for something close to that. Not trying to start a disagreement here, but--how do you know this? EH has told this to several gatherings. Not to mention, the worst secret in town is that Seidler and Moores are leading a charge behind the scenes to raise funds for several concept projects. As to this idea, it would be a severe breach of fiduciary responsibilities to fork over $100M to be a tenent in an NFL playground. Anything and everything is possible, but if State ponies up to be a tenent playing second fiddle to the chargers in branding, revenue streams, and amenities and then have the indignity of paying my rent. The admins should resign. But how does State ponying up $100M and the County walking back a $100M make this better for the Spanoi? Hell how does $100M more incrementally in a public subsidy carry the day? How does State possibly spin that investment which is a small share square with the legislature? The CSU trustees? The governor? The faculty senate? It's one thing to build Viejas, TG stadium, the aquaplex etc when you own and control it but to be a small share investor? No way do all the stakeholders sign off on that. And the sources of money? Seidler and Moores still interested in paying for Dean? Could EH aide student Fees? It makes No sense, but who knows. Maybe we have a bunch of Rick Bay's at the helm just glad to get a paycheck and embarrassed to work at State.
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Post by sleepy on Dec 30, 2016 18:19:21 GMT -8
LOL! Judging by the de facto running of The Q by the NFL, I'll gladly let SDSU take over those tasks!! The NFL doesn't own or run the Q. The city does. Which is why, of course, you'll note the use of the term "de facto"...
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Post by SD Johnny on Dec 30, 2016 19:19:41 GMT -8
Not worried in the slightest at this latest news. Anything offered will go to a vote and that's the death knell.
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Post by SDSU-Alum2003 on Dec 30, 2016 19:20:19 GMT -8
I hope SDSU isn't considering giving money to a Chargers Stadium.
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Post by SDSU-Alum2003 on Dec 30, 2016 19:37:40 GMT -8
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Post by fanhood on Dec 30, 2016 21:42:43 GMT -8
Elliot Hirshman personally told many of us that he already has the money to build a 32k stadium for $125m, and that he just needs the land. Verbatim, those were his words. You're going to need more than 32K. Especially if you're still hoping for a P5 invite some day. Regardless, I find it near impossible to believe you're going to build a stadium at half the cost of Colorado State, especially in California. Can just expand later if necessary. No big deal.
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Post by AztecWilliam on Dec 30, 2016 22:49:33 GMT -8
You're going to need more than 32K. Especially if you're still hoping for a P5 invite some day. Regardless, I find it near impossible to believe you're going to build a stadium at half the cost of Colorado State, especially in California. Can just expand later if necessary. No big deal. This makes sense to me. Sure, we would like to have a 45,000 seat stadium from the start, but it's not impossible that 32K to 35K could be done with the understanding that expansion possibilities must be part of the basic design. I don't have the expertise to judge what is and is not possible, but my guess (perhaps I should say wild guess) is that if we can afford a 32K stadium, we probably can figure a way to afford a 40K stadium. The question is. how big a stadium will Aztec football ultimately need? I think 50,000 is a good figure. A second, and not insignificant question is this: How many seats do the bowl people require to keep the two local bowls going? My (equally wild) guess is that 50,000 might work for them, but only barely, and with the understanding that expansion would be forthcoming in a couple of years. And there is the rub; our practical maximum seating, say 50K, is really too small for the bowls, and therefore SDSU and the bowl committee would be at loggerheads. It would be nice to see the two parties work together, but I'm not sure that can be done. The needs of the two parties are rather different. AzWm
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Post by aardvark on Dec 30, 2016 23:56:22 GMT -8
Can just expand later if necessary. No big deal. This makes sense to me. Sure, we would like to have a 45,000 seat stadium from the start, but it's not impossible that 32K to 35K could be done with the understanding that expansion possibilities must be part of the basic design. I don't have the expertise to judge what is and is not possible, but my guess (perhaps I should say wild guess) is that if we can afford a 32K stadium, we probably can figure a way to afford a 40K stadium. The question is. how big a stadium will Aztec football ultimately need? I think 50,000 is a good figure. A second, and not insignificant question is this: How many seats do the bowl people require to keep the two local bowls going? My (equally wild) guess is that 50,000 might work for them, but only barely, and with the understanding that expansion would be forthcoming in a couple of years. And there is the rub; our practical maximum seating, say 50K, is really too small for the bowls, and therefore SDSU and the bowl committee would be at loggerheads. It would be nice to see the two parties work together, but I'm not sure that can be done. The needs of the two parties are rather different. AzWm 40,000 minimum to start, with foundations in place with the original construction for expansion to at least 50,000 in the future.
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Post by bolt1963 on Dec 31, 2016 7:59:58 GMT -8
Can just expand later if necessary. No big deal. First, you skipped over how much it would cost to build a 32,000 stadium in San Diego. Do you truly believe it can get done for anywhere close to $125M? It doesn't have to be as nice as Colorado States - but at half the cost? And of course you could design it for future expansion - and of course that will cost money too. My only point is it could be more cost effective for SDSU to chip in for a portion of the NFL stadium and negotiating concessions, parking, advertising, etc. It won't be as cozy a smaller SDSU and maybe MLS stadium, but it may be more fiscally doable for SDSU. When I read Hirshman had met - my first thought was he is exploring bridging the gap. We'll see.
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Post by fanhood on Dec 31, 2016 8:08:44 GMT -8
I am only repeating what the President of the University opeonky told me and others. I am not in the business of commercial real estate, development, and don't live in San Diego. The President also said they already have an organization that wants the naming rights for the stadium.
A partnership with the Chargers is a non-starter, unless the Chargers agree to a 42,000 seat stadium, dual branding, shared concessions, etc. none of which will happen.
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Post by SDSU-Alum2003 on Dec 31, 2016 8:14:17 GMT -8
Can just expand later if necessary. No big deal. This makes sense to me. Sure, we would like to have a 45,000 seat stadium from the start, but it's not impossible that 32K to 35K could be done with the understanding that expansion possibilities must be part of the basic design. I don't have the expertise to judge what is and is not possible, but my guess (perhaps I should say wild guess) is that if we can afford a 32K stadium, we probably can figure a way to afford a 40K stadium. The question is. how big a stadium will Aztec football ultimately need? I think 50,000 is a good figure. A second, and not insignificant question is this: How many seats do the bowl people require to keep the two local bowls going? My (equally wild) guess is that 50,000 might work for them, but only barely, and with the understanding that expansion would be forthcoming in a couple of years. And there is the rub; our practical maximum seating, say 50K, is really too small for the bowls, and therefore SDSU and the bowl committee would be at loggerheads. It would be nice to see the two parties work together, but I'm not sure that can be done. The needs of the two parties are rather different. AzWm SDSU doesn't need a 50K stadium; that is WAY too big; 35K-45K is a much better number. 40K with ability to expand is the sweet spot IMO. Poinsettia could be held in that and possibly even the Holiday if 10K temporary seating could be brought in. SDSU certainly is not ready for a 50K or NFL size stadium and probably never will unless a miracle occurs and we get into the PAC 12. Go SDSU WEST! Go AZTECS!
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Post by bolt1963 on Dec 31, 2016 8:15:35 GMT -8
I am only repeating what the President of the University opeonky told me and others. I am not in the business of commercial real estate, development, and don't live in San Diego. The President also said they already have an organization that wants the naming rights for the stadium. A partnership with the Chargers is a non-starter, unless the Chargers agree to a 42,000 seat stadium, dual branding, shared concessions, etc. none of which will happen. I understand you are repeating what he told you. I am not a developer either. I am just going off what Colorado State's stadium cost and asking if you think it reasonable one in San Diego would cost half that. Not putting you on the spot - just asking for what you really think. As for sharing a NFL stadium. Let me make it clear - I agree SDSU would be better off with your own digs - especially if you can find the money. But I believe when it comes down to $$, it would be much more cost effective to share a stadium. I disagree SDSU would get screwed with concessions, parking, advertising, etc. SDSU would have major skin in the game - they are negotiating for a position of strength. This would be nothing like sharing the Q. Not from a financial perspective and not from an atmosphere. This would be a football only venue with modern day technology. Everything is LED now and can be changed with a flip of a switch.
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Post by The Aztec Panther on Dec 31, 2016 9:01:23 GMT -8
The NFL doesn't own or run the Q. The city does. Which is why, of course, you'll note the use of the term "de facto"... The NFL doesn't, "De facto," run the Q, either, any more than SDSU does.
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Post by The Aztec Panther on Dec 31, 2016 9:03:11 GMT -8
This makes sense to me. Sure, we would like to have a 45,000 seat stadium from the start, but it's not impossible that 32K to 35K could be done with the understanding that expansion possibilities must be part of the basic design. I don't have the expertise to judge what is and is not possible, but my guess (perhaps I should say wild guess) is that if we can afford a 32K stadium, we probably can figure a way to afford a 40K stadium. The question is. how big a stadium will Aztec football ultimately need? I think 50,000 is a good figure. A second, and not insignificant question is this: How many seats do the bowl people require to keep the two local bowls going? My (equally wild) guess is that 50,000 might work for them, but only barely, and with the understanding that expansion would be forthcoming in a couple of years. And there is the rub; our practical maximum seating, say 50K, is really too small for the bowls, and therefore SDSU and the bowl committee would be at loggerheads. It would be nice to see the two parties work together, but I'm not sure that can be done. The needs of the two parties are rather different. AzWm SDSU doesn't need a 50K stadium; that is WAY too big; 35K-45K is a much better number. 40K with ability to expand is the sweet spot IMO. Poinsettia could be held in that and possibly even the Holiday if 10K temporary seating could be brought in. SDSU certainly is not ready for a 50K or NFL size stadium and probably never will unless a miracle occurs and we get into the PAC 12. Go SDSU WEST! Go AZTECS! 35K is too small. 42K to 45K is ideal. 50K would be alright since the Poinsettia and Holiday Bowls would still be able to use the stadium, and SDSU would benefit when there are big name opponents and for the SkyShow games.
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Post by SDSU-Alum2003 on Dec 31, 2016 9:05:43 GMT -8
I am only repeating what the President of the University opeonky told me and others. I am not in the business of commercial real estate, development, and don't live in San Diego. The President also said they already have an organization that wants the naming rights for the stadium. A partnership with the Chargers is a non-starter, unless the Chargers agree to a 42,000 seat stadium, dual branding, shared concessions, etc. none of which will happen. I understand you are repeating what he told you. I am not a developer either. I am just going off what Colorado State's stadium cost and asking if you think it reasonable one in San Diego would cost half that. Not putting you on the spot - just asking for what you really think. As for sharing a NFL stadium. Let me make it clear - I agree SDSU would be better off with your own digs - especially if you can find the money. But I believe when it comes down to $$, it would be much more cost effective to share a stadium. I disagree SDSU would get screwed with concessions, parking, advertising, etc. SDSU would have major skin in the game - they are negotiating for a position of strength. This would be nothing like sharing the Q. Not from a financial perspective and not from an atmosphere. This would be a football only venue with modern day technology. Everything is LED now and can be changed with a flip of a switch. Stadium cost projections for 30-35K expandable stadium are about $275-300 mil. SDSU would be better off partnering with MLS over NFL. NFL stadium is WAY to big for SDSU. A 30-35K stadium (expandable to 45-50K in the future) with MLS would be a better option. If by some chance a miracle occurs and we get a P5 invite we could buy out the MLS from their portion and expand the stadium to 45-50K. I don't believe SDSU wants or needs to partner with the NFL unless it was their only option which I know it is not. Go SDSU WEST! Go AZTECS!
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Post by SDSU-Alum2003 on Dec 31, 2016 9:11:30 GMT -8
SDSU doesn't need a 50K stadium; that is WAY too big; 35K-45K is a much better number. 40K with ability to expand is the sweet spot IMO. Poinsettia could be held in that and possibly even the Holiday if 10K temporary seating could be brought in. SDSU certainly is not ready for a 50K or NFL size stadium and probably never will unless a miracle occurs and we get into the PAC 12. Go SDSU WEST! Go AZTECS! 35K is too small. 42K to 45K is ideal. 50K would be alright since the Poinsettia and Holiday Bowls would still be able to use the stadium, and SDSU would benefit when there are big name opponents and for the SkyShow games. 35K is not too small; We rarely break 35K attendance and the price points for tickets will be going up to what Boise State and Fresno State currently charge. It is better to create a ticket scarcity rather than a ticket surplus (which is what we currently have). Hell the Chargers can't even sell out a 65K stadium. I don't disagree about 40K is the sweet spot but "partnering" with the Chargers is a non-starter as we just don't need an NFL size stadium. MLS will be a better partner for SDSU than the NFL. Go SDSU WEST! Go AZTECS!
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