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Post by aztecwin on Feb 26, 2010 13:03:27 GMT -8
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Post by uwaztec on Feb 26, 2010 18:36:03 GMT -8
I don't know..she never does anything that opens her up to ridicule. I thought 50% of Republicans think she is not qualified to be President? Do you think she is Win...is she your number one choice? She certainly is entertaining.
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Post by aztecwin on Feb 27, 2010 8:34:58 GMT -8
I don't know..she never does anything that opens her up to ridicule. I thought 50% of Republicans think she is not qualified to be President? Do you think she is Win...is she your number one choice? She certainly is entertaining. She is not my choice, but she sure seems to worry a lot of liberals. That 50% figure is getting close to what Dems think about Obama now. |
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Post by uwaztec on Feb 27, 2010 8:53:46 GMT -8
I don't know..she never does anything that opens her up to ridicule. I thought 50% of Republicans think she is not qualified to be President? Do you think she is Win...is she your number one choice? She certainly is entertaining. She is not my choice, but she sure seems to worry a lot of liberals. That 50% figure is getting close to what Dems think about Obama now. When will you guys on the Right get it? It's not "Liberals" you need to worry about. It's people who believe in 80% of your agenda, but are not in Lockstep with the NRA and the Religious Right. The Right is owned by these two groups. Why not let the States decide this stuff. Who knows, you might win every election if not for the power of those two groups...... but that is the issue, not "Liberals". |
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Post by aztecwin on Feb 27, 2010 9:03:49 GMT -8
She is not my choice, but she sure seems to worry a lot of liberals. That 50% figure is getting close to what Dems think about Obama now. When will you guys on the Right get it? It's not "Liberals" you need to worry about. It's people who believe in 80% of your agenda, but are not in Lockstep with the NRA and the Religious Right. The Right is owned by these two groups. Why not let the States decide this stuff. Who knows, you might win every election if not for the power of those two groups...... but that is the issue, not "Liberals". What you say might be true, but it is the "liberals" who are going after Palin and if you can really answer why, it would give insight into what it is that worries them about her. |
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Post by AztecWilliam on Feb 27, 2010 15:46:59 GMT -8
The Left is foolish to continually attack Sarah Palin. Such attacks simply increase her popularity with big segments of the electorate. The Left should, if it had a grip on reality, simply ignore Palin. Period.
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Post by uwaztec on Feb 28, 2010 20:31:21 GMT -8
The Left is foolish to continually attack Sarah Palin. Such attacks simply increase her popularity with big segments of the electorate. The Left should, if it had a grip on reality, simply ignore Palin. Period. AzWm You can't be serious William. First of all, please describe the "left" (what qualifies as the Left) and where do moderates fit in this argument? I have Republican friends who make fun of (and ridicule) Palin...does that shock you? |
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Post by ptsdthor on Feb 28, 2010 23:28:20 GMT -8
The reason why liberals and the left hates Palin is not because of her potential to be elected president, but the potential for her persona and Reaganesque policies (borrowed or not) to inspire other strong willed women to run for office in the Republican party and push those policies. Regarding Reaganesque policies, if you saw the charade with our Hugo-light and his health care reform summit, political discussions that include real conservative policies are the last thing Democrats want America to think about right now. Add to that their fear that Palin will bring out more GOP women candidates who can't be so easily destroyed by the media. After a while, some will start getting through. Perhaps it is just a coincidence, but here in California, we have two women now running in prominent races (Fiorina against Boxer and Whitman for Gov). I grant you that is not too out of the ordinary in California for women to run but I was just in Texas on a business trip (Houston) and the airwaves were full of a women saying that she was a proud conservative and going after primary for Texas 18. She is a proud tea party member.... blogs.chron.com/txpotomac/2010/02/3_republicans_competing_to_tak.htmlPalin probably now has less chance of getting the GOP standard than does Mitt Romney and he isn't lambasted by some leftist editorial writer virtually on a daily basis. Now you know why. |
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Post by uwaztec on Mar 1, 2010 6:15:28 GMT -8
The reason why liberals and the left hates Palin is not because of her potential to be elected president, but the potential for her persona and Reaganesque policies (borrowed or not) to inspire other strong willed women to run for office in the Republican party and push those policies. Regarding Reaganesque policies, if you saw the charade with our Hugo-light and his health care reform summit, political discussions that include real conservative policies are the last thing Democrats want America to think about right now. Add to that their fear that Palin will bring out more GOP women candidates who can't be so easily destroyed by the media. After a while, some will start getting through. Perhaps it is just a coincidence, but here in California, we have two women now running in prominent races (Fiorina against Boxer and Whitman for Gov). I grant you that is not too out of the ordinary in California for women to run but I was just in Texas on a business trip (Houston) and the airwaves were full of a women saying that she was a proud conservative and going after primary for Texas 18. She is a proud tea party member.... blogs.chron.com/txpotomac/2010/02/3_republicans_competing_to_tak.htmlPalin probably now has less chance of getting the GOP standard than does Mitt Romney and he isn't lambasted by some leftist editorial writer virtually on a daily basis. Now you know why. Man, you guys just can't get out of your Black / White... us against them World can you? There is only you and the "liberals and Leftists". If the vote were tomorrow, I would vote for Whitman, yet consider Palin a joke....as do many of my friends who are no where near Che Guevara. Does the far Right see anything but themselves and the "Liberals"?? Whitman is pretty socially moderate for you isn't she? |
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Post by ptsdthor on Mar 1, 2010 9:13:46 GMT -8
The reason why liberals and the left hates Palin is not because of her potential to be elected president, but the potential for her persona and Reaganesque policies (borrowed or not) to inspire other strong willed women to run for office in the Republican party and push those policies. Regarding Reaganesque policies, if you saw the charade with our Hugo-light and his health care reform summit, political discussions that include real conservative policies are the last thing Democrats want America to think about right now. Add to that their fear that Palin will bring out more GOP women candidates who can't be so easily destroyed by the media. After a while, some will start getting through. Perhaps it is just a coincidence, but here in California, we have two women now running in prominent races (Fiorina against Boxer and Whitman for Gov). I grant you that is not too out of the ordinary in California for women to run but I was just in Texas on a business trip (Houston) and the airwaves were full of a women saying that she was a proud conservative and going after primary for Texas 18. She is a proud tea party member.... blogs.chron.com/txpotomac/2010/02/3_republicans_competing_to_tak.htmlPalin probably now has less chance of getting the GOP standard than does Mitt Romney and he isn't lambasted by some leftist editorial writer virtually on a daily basis. Now you know why. Man, you guys just can't get out of your Black / White... us against them World can you? There is only you and the "liberals and Leftists". If the vote were tomorrow, I would vote for Whitman, yet consider Palin a joke....as do many of my friends who are no where near Che Guevara. Does the far Right see anything but themselves and the "Liberals"?? Whitman is pretty socially moderate for you isn't she? I don't think you quite get it. Sure, some members of the GOP might not like Sarah because of this reason or that, but they don't obsess about her. And it is sheer hypocrisy to think that Palin is a joke because of her intellect and then think that anything that comes from the mind of Nancy Pelosi is somehow reasoned. And with the way Obama has abdicated his policy making to the loons in the Congress - that means almost anything the Democrats propose nowadays. The media trashed Palin more than any politician I have ever seen. All because she is "Too Stoopid"? No way. See Pelosi and Biden and they get nothing of the sort. The Democrats raised more money than ever out of sheer fear the few days after Sarah was introduced to the public by the McCain campaign. That type of fear, loathing and all out effort is reserved for potential game changers, not dolts or odd balls. She, being a conservative woman, is not unlike the Conservative Black - absolutely not allowed to be seen as credible by the American leftist media. And some will buy into the media hype - GOP types included. If you don't believe me, try googling "How Obama Got Elected". |
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Post by aztecwin on Mar 1, 2010 15:15:43 GMT -8
The Left is foolish to continually attack Sarah Palin. Such attacks simply increase her popularity with big segments of the electorate. The Left should, if it had a grip on reality, simply ignore Palin. Period. AzWm You can't be serious William. First of all, please describe the "left" (what qualifies as the Left) and where do moderates fit in this argument? I have Republican friends who make fun of (and ridicule) Palin...does that shock you? I think you are still missing the point. We can all point out where people are less than thrilled with folks who in general agree with their point of view. We are not talking about Independents or real Moderates here, but those considerably left of center who are attacking Palin. What is their reason? If she is so ill informed or intellectually challenged, why do they fear her enough to attack her. If she is so ill equipped and dumb, so to speak, you would think that they would welcome her as a candidate or a spokesman for the Conservatives. |
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Post by uwaztec on Mar 1, 2010 17:37:25 GMT -8
You can't be serious William. First of all, please describe the "left" (what qualifies as the Left) and where do moderates fit in this argument? I have Republican friends who make fun of (and ridicule) Palin...does that shock you? I think you are still missing the point. We can all point out where people are less than thrilled with folks who in general agree with their point of view. We are not talking about Independents or real Moderates here, but those considerably left of center who are attacking Palin. What is their reason? If she is so ill informed or intellectually challenged, why do they fear her enough to attack her. If she is so ill equipped and dumb, so to speak, you would think that they would welcome her as a candidate or a spokesman for the Conservatives. Win...what do you think William F. Buckley would have thought of Sarah Palin? She does not seem "curious" at all about the outside World and, correct me if I'm wrong, I think she has not even been outside the US except for Canada. The far Right loves this fact and her folksy persona, while very educated people find it a major negative. Look, I can't stand Nancy Pelosi... but she is just a boring, unlikeable politician.... and Palin is so much more than that. Palin could have her own reality show and people would tune in by the millions. I don't even know if she does the things she does on purpose or not....but she draws a lot of attention to herself and knows how to use it. I don't hate Palin.....I find her entertaining. I just don't get how people can take her seriously as a candidate for president. |
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Post by AztecWilliam on Mar 1, 2010 21:22:27 GMT -8
How can we be sure that Sarah is not curious about the outside world?
Look, I feel rather certain that she is not even going to be the GOP candidate, much less president. I admire her for what she has done and wish her well. However, as a potential presidential candidate she is obviously not as strong as many others.
The question remains, why is the Left so eager to trash her? (And, sure, there are probably lots of Republicans who are critical as well.) Her status rises with every barb, at least with a large segment of the population. Ridiculing Sarah Palin is counter-productive for those who ridicule her. That they do not understand this simple concept tells us something about their own intelligence.
AzWm
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Post by ptsdthor on Mar 1, 2010 22:33:55 GMT -8
Do you think that WF Buckley would think that Nancy Pelosi was just "boring"? He, like me, would think she is a completely clueless bag of rocks somewhere out in her leftist lala land. And all this for the second most powerful person in the world. Do you see Fox News and right leaning Editorialists devoting much time trying to personally destroy Pelosi? No! Why? Because she is a true liability for the left and the more she opens her mouth, the more likely the Democrats will lose seats in the next election. Why is it so different for the left relative to Palin. If she is such a liability, why doesn't the leftist Democrats leave her alone to screw things up? Why don't Democrats in swing states send limousines and airplanes to have her speak in their area. But no. Why did leftist loyalists pile up false ethics charges against her in Alaska even after she lost the presidential election? Why did leftists lambaste her for notes on her hands the same week that Obama didn't even know how to read "Corpsman"? Why did they lambaste her when she correctly pointed out the inevitable eventuality of Death Panels (procedure efficacy evaluation boards, etc) that would be brought by Obama (Pelosi) Care? In reality, her Death Panel comment was right on and, in part, has likely cost Obama his health care initiative. That is why they hate her. Not because she hasn't traveled to Amsterdam or because she is considered uneducated relative to her campaign opponent, the academic fraud Joe Biden. It is because she has pointed out that the Emperor has no clothes and was absolutely right in doing so. Add to that, she is a Conservative Woman. And ask Michelle Bachman, Clarence Thomas and Alberto Gonzalez what is feels like to be a conservative representative in a class reserved for presumed Democrat majorities. I think you are still missing the point. We can all point out where people are less than thrilled with folks who in general agree with their point of view. We are not talking about Independents or real Moderates here, but those considerably left of center who are attacking Palin. What is their reason? If she is so ill informed or intellectually challenged, why do they fear her enough to attack her. If she is so ill equipped and dumb, so to speak, you would think that they would welcome her as a candidate or a spokesman for the Conservatives. Win...what do you think William F. Buckley would have thought of Sarah Palin? She does not seem "curious" at all about the outside World and, correct me if I'm wrong, I think she has not even been outside the US except for Canada. The far Right loves this fact and her folksy persona, while very educated people find it a major negative. Look, I can't stand Nancy Pelosi... but she is just a boring, unlikeable politician.... and Palin is so much more than that. Palin could have her own reality show and people would tune in by the millions. I don't even know if she does the things she does on purpose or not....but she draws a lot of attention to herself and knows how to use it. I don't hate Palin.....I find her entertaining. I just don't get how people can take her seriously as a candidate for president. |
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Post by uwaztec on Mar 2, 2010 10:57:47 GMT -8
Do you think that WF Buckley would think that Nancy Pelosi was just "boring"? He, like me, would think she is a completely clueless bag of rocks somewhere out in her leftist lala land. And all this for the second most powerful person in the world. Do you see Fox News and right leaning Editorialists devoting much time trying to personally destroy Pelosi? No! Why? Because she is a true liability for the left and the more she opens her mouth, the more likely the Democrats will lose seats in the next election. Why is it so different for the left relative to Palin. If she is such a liability, why doesn't the leftist Democrats leave her alone to screw things up? Why don't Democrats in swing states send limousines and airplanes to have her speak in their area. But no. Why did leftist loyalists pile up false ethics charges against her in Alaska even after she lost the presidential election? Why did leftists lambaste her for notes on her hands the same week that Obama didn't even know how to read "Corpsman"? Why did they lambaste her when she correctly pointed out the inevitable eventuality of Death Panels (procedure efficacy evaluation boards, etc) that would be brought by Obama (Pelosi) Care? In reality, her Death Panel comment was right on and, in part, has likely cost Obama his health care initiative. That is why they hate her. Not because she hasn't traveled to Amsterdam or because she is considered uneducated relative to her campaign opponent, the academic fraud Joe Biden. It is because she has pointed out that the Emperor has no clothes and was absolutely right in doing so. Add to that, she is a Conservative Woman. And ask Michelle Bachman, Clarence Thomas and Alberto Gonzalez what is feels like to be a conservative representative in a class reserved for presumed Democrat majorities. Win...what do you think William F. Buckley would have thought of Sarah Palin? She does not seem "curious" at all about the outside World and, correct me if I'm wrong, I think she has not even been outside the US except for Canada. The far Right loves this fact and her folksy persona, while very educated people find it a major negative. Look, I can't stand Nancy Pelosi... but she is just a boring, unlikeable politician.... and Palin is so much more than that. Palin could have her own reality show and people would tune in by the millions. I don't even know if she does the things she does on purpose or not....but she draws a lot of attention to herself and knows how to use it. I don't hate Palin.....I find her entertaining. I just don't get how people can take her seriously as a candidate for president. Wow..Michelle Bachman  I bet 70% of the US thinks she is a nut ball. Pelosi sucks. But my point is that you need to capture Americans who may lean "Right" on some issues and more "Left" on others. Running people who people on either side despise, only exacerbates the rift in this country that is getting wider. I think a candidate can be smart, highly educated, fiscally conservative, have a high understanding of defense and the complex issues associated...yet not cave in completely to the fringes of either side and win. |
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Post by aztecwin on Mar 2, 2010 17:06:31 GMT -8
Do you think that WF Buckley would think that Nancy Pelosi was just "boring"? He, like me, would think she is a completely clueless bag of rocks somewhere out in her leftist lala land. And all this for the second most powerful person in the world. Do you see Fox News and right leaning Editorialists devoting much time trying to personally destroy Pelosi? No! Why? Because she is a true liability for the left and the more she opens her mouth, the more likely the Democrats will lose seats in the next election. Why is it so different for the left relative to Palin. If she is such a liability, why doesn't the leftist Democrats leave her alone to screw things up? Why don't Democrats in swing states send limousines and airplanes to have her speak in their area. But no. Why did leftist loyalists pile up false ethics charges against her in Alaska even after she lost the presidential election? Why did leftists lambaste her for notes on her hands the same week that Obama didn't even know how to read "Corpsman"? Why did they lambaste her when she correctly pointed out the inevitable eventuality of Death Panels (procedure efficacy evaluation boards, etc) that would be brought by Obama (Pelosi) Care? In reality, her Death Panel comment was right on and, in part, has likely cost Obama his health care initiative. That is why they hate her. Not because she hasn't traveled to Amsterdam or because she is considered uneducated relative to her campaign opponent, the academic fraud Joe Biden. It is because she has pointed out that the Emperor has no clothes and was absolutely right in doing so. Add to that, she is a Conservative Woman. And ask Michelle Bachman, Clarence Thomas and Alberto Gonzalez what is feels like to be a conservative representative in a class reserved for presumed Democrat majorities. Wow..Michelle Bachman I bet 70% of the US thinks she is a nut ball. Pelosi sucks. But my point is that you need to capture Americans who may lean "Right" on some issues and more "Left" on others. Running people who people on either side despise, only exacerbates the rift in this country that is getting wider. I think a candidate can be smart, highly educated, fiscally conservative, have a high understanding of defense and the complex issues associated...yet not cave in completely to the fringes of either side and win. Why are you so reluctant to address the subject? It is not about the merits or faults of Palin, but the reason that she is being attack. |
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Post by uwaztec on Mar 2, 2010 18:22:40 GMT -8
Wow..Michelle Bachman I bet 70% of the US thinks she is a nut ball. Pelosi sucks. But my point is that you need to capture Americans who may lean "Right" on some issues and more "Left" on others. Running people who people on either side despise, only exacerbates the rift in this country that is getting wider. I think a candidate can be smart, highly educated, fiscally conservative, have a high understanding of defense and the complex issues associated...yet not cave in completely to the fringes of either side and win. Why are you so reluctant to address the subject? It is not about the merits or faults of Palin, but the reason that she is being attack. Let's see.... the Right attacks Obama and sees only the bad.... same for Palin from the Left..what's the difference? From your standpoint, I know the answer...you think Palin is much better than Obama. What is there to discuss? The Left despises the Right and the Right despises the Left.....there is little to discuss here. I don't hate Palin, I think she is entertaining. If she became President however, I would be very worried. |
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Post by AztecWilliam on Mar 2, 2010 22:34:01 GMT -8
Why are you so reluctant to address the subject? It is not about the merits or faults of Palin, but the reason that she is being attack. Let's see.... the Right attacks Obama and sees only the bad.... same for Palin from the Left..what's the difference? From your standpoint, I know the answer...you think Palin is much better than Obama. What is there to discuss? The Left despises the Right and the Right despises the Left.....there is little to discuss here. I don't hate Palin, I think she is entertaining. If she became President however, I would be very worried. The Left/Dems must think Palin is a viable presidential candidate, and a candidate that Barack Obama should fear. I don't agree with that, but I guess that's what they believe. Why else would they be attacking Sarah when ignoring her would be the obvious best policy? I do think that the Left/Dems really, really dislike women and minorities who disagree with them to achieve popularity among voters. Let's keep one thing in mind; Palin does not hold public office, but Barack Obama is now President of these United States. Pot shots taken at The One are to be expected (be they justified or unjustified) for that reason. But to keep on dumping on Sarah Palin really is weird. AzWm |
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Post by aztecwin on Mar 3, 2010 12:29:57 GMT -8
Why are you so reluctant to address the subject? It is not about the merits or faults of Palin, but the reason that she is being attack. Let's see.... the Right attacks Obama and sees only the bad.... same for Palin from the Left..what's the difference? From your standpoint, I know the answer...you think Palin is much better than Obama. What is there to discuss? The Left despises the Right and the Right despises the Left.....there is little to discuss here. I don't hate Palin, I think she is entertaining. If she became President however, I would be very worried. I hope that you do not expect people to believe that the attacks on the President, which are always going to be there be it a Dem or a Repub, are equivalent to the attacks on Palin. Palin is not a declared candidate and is in fact just a private citizen who was once a second spot candidate and an ex-Gov of a rather small state. |
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Post by Tiki on Mar 3, 2010 13:32:49 GMT -8
That article is laughable. Sarah Palin is not a threat to the left. She is a punchline. They hope she is nominated.
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I bet 70% of the US thinks she is a nut ball. Pelosi sucks. But my point is that you need to capture Americans who may lean "Right" on some issues and more "Left" on others. Running people who people on either side despise, only exacerbates the rift in this country that is getting wider. I think a candidate can be smart, highly educated, fiscally conservative, have a high understanding of defense and the complex issues associated...yet not cave in completely to the fringes of either side and win.