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Post by ourtime on Jan 18, 2016 20:05:30 GMT -8
The 2nd quote reads like it contradicts the first. If these quotes are accurate it only reaffirms what we already knew... Spanos has zero leverage with Kroenke. There's a deal to be made, just not the one they want.
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Post by SD Johnny on Jan 19, 2016 7:21:34 GMT -8
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Post by longtimesdsufan on Jan 19, 2016 9:01:23 GMT -8
The NFL owners forced the 2 team option on Kroenke. Spanos does not have leverage other than the agreement from the owners meeting. I think the Spanos goal is to sell, so the agreement he wants is to optimize the team value in a sale.
Spano has to work the San Diego plan because the owners meeting agreement may not be forceful enough to keep Kroenke from finding a reason to just say no.
The NFL may just be playing just for leverage to get a new stadium for the Chargers and Raiders. However, it is clear that Spanos wants to move.
The NFL may not want 3 teams in Southern California, but if the Chargers move to LA (most likely scenario) the league would rather have the Raiders playing in a new stadium in San Diego and an old one in Oakland.
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Post by SDSU-Alum2003 on Jan 19, 2016 9:52:53 GMT -8
The NFL owners forced the 2 team option on Kroenke. Spanos does not have leverage other than the agreement from the owners meeting. I think the Spanos goal is to sell, so the agreement he wants is to optimize the team value in a sale. Spano has to work the San Diego plan because the owners meeting agreement may not be forceful enough to keep Kroenke from finding a reason to just say no. The NFL may just be playing just for leverage to get a new stadium for the Chargers and Raiders. However, it is clear that Spanos wants to move. The NFL may not want 3 teams in Southern California, but if the Chargers move to LA (most likely scenario) the league would rather have the Raiders playing in a new stadium in San Diego and an old one in Oakland. The NFL owners are the ones responsible for giving the option of LA to the Chargers. The NFL is overseeing the negotiations between the Rams/Chargers to assure it is s fair deal (similar to what the Jets/Giants have at MetLife). When the Chargers move to LA it is comical that people believe the Raiders will come to San Diego. We didn't build a stadium for the Chargers but all of a sudden San Diego is going build one for the Raiders? Lol! In addition, any relocation by the Raiders to San Diego would still have to get NFL approval. If the Raiders can get something done in Oakland they will.
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Post by laaztec on Jan 19, 2016 10:07:23 GMT -8
This is getting embarrassing. I understand being a fan but if you are that into a pro sports franchise you need to get some other, more important things, in your life. Your life and happiness should not revolve around a pro sports team. https://www.instagram.com/p/BAteF0UHDxV
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Post by longtimesdsufan on Jan 19, 2016 10:44:03 GMT -8
The NFL owners forced the 2 team option on Kroenke. Spanos does not have leverage other than the agreement from the owners meeting. I think the Spanos goal is to sell, so the agreement he wants is to optimize the team value in a sale. Spano has to work the San Diego plan because the owners meeting agreement may not be forceful enough to keep Kroenke from finding a reason to just say no. The NFL may just be playing just for leverage to get a new stadium for the Chargers and Raiders. However, it is clear that Spanos wants to move. The NFL may not want 3 teams in Southern California, but if the Chargers move to LA (most likely scenario) the league would rather have the Raiders playing in a new stadium in San Diego and an old one in Oakland. The NFL owners are the ones responsible for giving the option of LA to the Chargers. The NFL is overseeing the negotiations between the Rams/Chargers to assure it is s fair deal (similar to what the Jets/Giants have at MetLife). When the Chargers move to LA it is comical that people believe the Raiders will come to San Diego. We didn't build a stadium for the Chargers but all of a sudden San Diego is going build one for the Raiders? Lol! In addition, any relocation by the Raiders to San Diego would still have to get NFL approval. If the Raiders can get something done in Oakland they will. My opinion is that we can have the election in November, and the stadium could be approved, but the Chargers will still go to LA. The San Diego Stadium is a back up plan for Spanos. If it is approved, which I doubt, then the question for the Mayor is kill the stadium or open it up to another team. Lots of ifs. My point is that if there was an approved stadium in San Diego, the NFL would not block the Raiders (but I do think they would block any other team) because of not wanting 3 teams in Southern California.
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Post by AccessBowlTime on Jan 19, 2016 10:58:44 GMT -8
Smh. Of course Kroenke wants all of L.A.! But he couldn't get the approval of the rest of the owners without agreeing to share it. As such, the point is 100% moot! Not just smh actually. Lmao off. You two Charger honks' grasping at straws has become the highlight of this board. So word on the street is that this meeting was not really about contract details and no Kroenke or Spanos...sounds like a done deal to me.
Give me a break, if Spanos was going, his team would be wrapping up the legalese right now to get into the market asap. Not saying they are staying here, but everything I see right now points to no deal. No offense meant and maybe I need another cup of coffee to fully wake up but I don't understand how that has anything to do with what I said.
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Post by AccessBowlTime on Jan 19, 2016 11:01:29 GMT -8
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Post by fredgarvinmp on Jan 19, 2016 11:29:02 GMT -8
Again for all those who were left behind a LONG time ago -
The NFL has never said it doesn't want 3 teams in Southern California!!
Erroneous info that has been out there for months.
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Post by fredgarvinmp on Jan 19, 2016 11:33:26 GMT -8
The NFL owners forced the 2 team option on Kroenke. Spanos does not have leverage other than the agreement from the owners meeting. I think the Spanos goal is to sell, so the agreement he wants is to optimize the team value in a sale. Spano has to work the San Diego plan because the owners meeting agreement may not be forceful enough to keep Kroenke from finding a reason to just say no. The NFL may just be playing just for leverage to get a new stadium for the Chargers and Raiders. However, it is clear that Spanos wants to move. The NFL may not want 3 teams in Southern California, but if the Chargers move to LA (most likely scenario) the league would rather have the Raiders playing in a new stadium in San Diego and an old one in Oakland. No team will be moving anywhere without a stadium deal in place. Take that to the bank. If the Raiders move here, a deal will already be in place.
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Post by SDSU-Alum2003 on Jan 19, 2016 11:36:24 GMT -8
The NFL owners are the ones responsible for giving the option of LA to the Chargers. The NFL is overseeing the negotiations between the Rams/Chargers to assure it is s fair deal (similar to what the Jets/Giants have at MetLife). When the Chargers move to LA it is comical that people believe the Raiders will come to San Diego. We didn't build a stadium for the Chargers but all of a sudden San Diego is going build one for the Raiders? Lol! In addition, any relocation by the Raiders to San Diego would still have to get NFL approval. If the Raiders can get something done in Oakland they will. My opinion is that we can have the election in November, and the stadium could be approved, but the Chargers will still go to LA. The San Diego Stadium is a back up plan for Spanos. If it is approved, which I doubt, then the question for the Mayor is kill the stadium or open it up to another team. Lots of ifs. My point is that if there was an approved stadium in San Diego, the NFL would not block the Raiders (but I do think they would block any other team) because of not wanting 3 teams in Southern California. IMO the Chargers are going to officially announce their intention to move to LA within a few weeks (certainly before March 23rd - the NFL deadline to play in LA in 2016). When the Chargers announce officially that they are moving to LA there will not be a vote for the citizens of SD to fund an NFL stadium and if there is one it will fail miserably. I expect SDSU to announce whatever plans they have in place once the Chargers make their announcement. I think whatever the city plans on doing will depend in large part on what SDSU has planned. The Briggs initiative is also still in play. Bottom line - when the Chargers leave San Diego won't be attracting another NFL team for a very, very long time if ever.
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Post by SDSU-Alum2003 on Jan 19, 2016 11:37:04 GMT -8
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Post by William L. Rupp on Jan 19, 2016 11:48:14 GMT -8
The question of what the Chargers will do -----stay in San Diego or move to Los Angeles ----- continues to be of legitimate interest to Aztec fans. For that reason this thread was begun here.
However, the discussion in this thread has focused more and more on the Chargers in general, and Dean Spanos and Stan Kroenke (and to a lesser extent San Diego city officials).
Therefore, later today I will move this thread to the Chargers board.
WLR
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Post by laaztec on Jan 19, 2016 12:56:17 GMT -8
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Post by aztecbolt on Jan 19, 2016 13:59:32 GMT -8
I don't understand why they haven't already made the decision to go. The longer they wait, the more they fall behind in LA, right? Isn't that what everyone was saying last week?
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Post by laaztec on Jan 19, 2016 15:23:34 GMT -8
I don't understand why they haven't already made the decision to go. The longer they wait, the more they fall behind in LA, right? Isn't that what everyone was saying last week? 20 years from now nobody is going to remember that it took the Chargers 2 weeks to decide to move to LA. Being 2 weeks behind the Rams is not going to inflict irreparable harm to the franchise.
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Post by longtimesdsufan on Jan 19, 2016 16:13:28 GMT -8
My opinion is that we can have the election in November, and the stadium could be approved, but the Chargers will still go to LA. The San Diego Stadium is a back up plan for Spanos. If it is approved, which I doubt, then the question for the Mayor is kill the stadium or open it up to another team. Lots of ifs. My point is that if there was an approved stadium in San Diego, the NFL would not block the Raiders (but I do think they would block any other team) because of not wanting 3 teams in Southern California. IMO the Chargers are going to officially announce their intention to move to LA within a few weeks (certainly before March 23rd - the NFL deadline to play in LA in 2016). When the Chargers announce officially that they are moving to LA there will not be a vote for the citizens of SD to fund an NFL stadium and if there is one it will fail miserably. I expect SDSU to announce whatever plans they have in place once the Chargers make their announcement. I think whatever the city plans on doing will depend in large part on what SDSU has planned. The Briggs initiative is also still in play. Bottom line - when the Chargers leave San Diego won't be attracting another NFL team for a very, very long time if ever. I thought the Chargers had a year to review Inglewood. If the Chargers declare for 2016, where are they going to play in LA? But if they can wait until this time next year, they can play at Qualcomm in 2016.
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Post by rickdoerr on Jan 19, 2016 18:15:41 GMT -8
They'll play at the coliseum as will the Rams. USC has already said okay. They're planning to do some upgrading anyway. Now they can have the NFL pay for some of it.
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Post by laaztec on Jan 20, 2016 9:56:30 GMT -8
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Post by aztecbolt on Jan 20, 2016 12:56:55 GMT -8
national.suntimes.com/nfl/7/72/946003/philip-rivers-marcus-mariota-tradeAnother day, another NFL trade rumor. This one comes from Bleacher Report’s Jason Cole and has the San Diego Chargers making moves to acquire Marcus Mariota. “San Diego Chargers will ultimately make a deal with the Tennessee Titans for the number two overall pick. As part of that trade, the Chargers will send the number 17 overall pick and Philip Rivers, just as a start, for the number two pick.” Cole says Rivers would be thrilled to finish his career in Tennessee because the Chargers are not likely to pay him in a longterm deal. The Chargers get a youthful replacement in Mariota.
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