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Post by fisherville on Jan 7, 2016 23:26:13 GMT -8
If Fisher think that we are ok at the 5 position then he's delusional. Remember the NC State game a few years back? Remember last year game when Skylar was schooled by a true freshman center during the 2nd round of the NCAA tournament? At this point in time, this program needs to aim higher than just winning the MWC championship. Skylar held his own with pretty much everyone other than Okafor, it was just an unfortunate matchup. Chol will not be hard to replace at all. Skylar is a different story. We'll see, still lots of time to go |
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Post by sdcoug on Jan 7, 2016 23:31:37 GMT -8
Yea, I'm sure if we add someone it'll be someone who's playing elsewhere right now. Won't know anything until spring break at the earliest. That, or a HS recruit who's already signed but is granted his release (I.e. Coach gets fired, etc). |
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Post by standiego on Jan 8, 2016 11:03:59 GMT -8
As pointed out we need a guy that plays the "5" to help out for the 2016 season .that is the position we are thinnest at now . Best available from JC or grad transfer . Most Grad transfers , do not usually announce until after they finish the current season and verify they have enough credits to graduate. So who knows .Believe the staff picked up the tip on Josh Davis while attending the coaches meeting at MM , in April ? JC player , they are playing now also , would presume our coaches are looking at best available options . Yes every team can search the internet look at the JC rosters or JC web sites for guys playing the "5" . But doubt any school, including SDSU , will announce who they are looking at . Not sure other then the younger Allen , What HS "5 "has not committed for 2016 ? Not many were available . Too bad we missed on Kone, Cage and especially Stanback . So more recruiting still to be done for 2016 team at the" 5" .
So for 2016 . Do we have 11 scholarships committed ? This years team , and 3 red shirts makes 13 , lose three seniors Two" 5 "'s Spencer and Chol . and Shepard at the "4" +. Add HS recruit McDaniels , he prefers the" 4" .
So would that bring committed up to 11 ? If we can add another" 5" would be 12 . For the last scholarship IF staff wants to use it ? Perez( does he prefer to go where he will get more PT ?, also doubt he walks on if Shrigley is due back , plus MG-C ) or a PG or hold It ?
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Post by sdcoug on Jan 8, 2016 14:12:01 GMT -8
As pointed out we need a guy that plays the "5" to help out for the 2016 season .that is the position we are thinnest at now . Best available from JC or grad transfer . Most Grad transfers , do not usually announce until after they finish the current season and verify they have enough credits to graduate. So who knows .Believe the staff picked up the tip on Josh Davis while attending the coaches meeting at MM , in April ? JC player , they are playing now also , would presume our coaches are looking at best available options . Yes every team can search the internet look at the JC rosters or JC web sites for guys playing the "5" . But doubt any school, including SDSU , will announce who they are looking at . Not sure other then the younger Allen , What HS "5 "has not committed for 2016 ? Not many were available . Too bad we missed on Kone, Cage and especially Stanback . So more recruiting still to be done for 2016 team at the" 5" . So for 2016 . Do we have 11 scholarships committed ? This years team , and 3 red shirts makes 13 , lose three seniors Two" 5 "'s Spencer and Chol . and Shepard at the "4" +. Add HS recruit McDaniels , he prefers the" 4" . So would that bring committed up to 11 ? If we can add another" 5" would be 12 . For the last scholarship IF staff wants to use it ? Perez( does he prefer to go where he will get more PT ?, also doubt he walks on if Shrigley is due back , plus MG-C ) or a PG or hold It ? Yes, right now we have 11 for next year. The goal would be a Grad Transfer 5 & then a "best available" after that. Again, Fish made it sound like right now they're leaning towards keeping 1 open which he said ('would improve the odds of Perez getting 1 of those'), so hopefully we can find someone who's got the transfer bug in March. BTW, he strongly believes this is the LAST year of the Grad-Transfer rule. I don't think that's official yet, but that's his understanding.
As for JC's, YES, just like HS recruits, there are recruiting sites & rankings for JC players, and players commit & say they got offers all the time. Just to a smaller scale because there are fewer who play D1 ball. I can only repeat what Fish said - they haven't seen a HS kid or JC who they'd consider offering right now. If someone steps up their game BIG time, then maybe. He said this to a crowd he's usually pretty open with. He didn't talk about walkons, only scholarships, so if JC Allen is a walk-on type then who knows.
The guy I really wish we got was Kone - really think he's going to do something good at OSU. Stanback would have been nice as well. I don't think either would have made us BETTER at the 5 NEXT year, just deeper. But do believe they'd have paid off big time in 2 years.
Z is going to come a LONG ways next year IMO, and teamed with Narain, McD, Pope & Max, we have some terrific, athletic offensive players in the post. The only weakness is D', but a JC kid isn't going to change that. Most aren't good defenders, unless you get a Bouchey-type guy. Neither would a late HS bloomer. The only ones who would upgrade us defensively are grad transfers who've been there. Hope we find one.
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Post by hoobs on Jan 8, 2016 14:40:15 GMT -8
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Post by onions on Jan 8, 2016 15:47:36 GMT -8
We don't need a true 5 sine we trap the post. Norain, cheatham, pope and hostel have enough size at forward and "teki" plays big for his size. We don't need a big body, we need a ferocious rebounder/PF ... A la josh Davis.
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Post by standiego on Jan 8, 2016 18:53:49 GMT -8
Do not care what you want to label him but the Aztecs will need another guy that can play the 5 position , no one said they had to be a bulky center, we usually recruit athletic guys , Malcolm Thomas style or Skylar style , but some one who start out guarding the other team's center , plays D , rebounds .
Max is a shooter more of a 3 then a 5- come off the bench as spot shooter . Malik is also a 3 . Zylan is the 4 style . Jalen McD is also slender ,as of now more of a 4 , So we do need a 5 guy to rebound besides Zylan . Not totally sure how good Narain will be , very intelligent is he a taller JJ ?. MG-C would guess will slide between 3 or 2 depending on the greater need . Allen is a 3 or 2 ?. also toss in Matt at the 2 . Are we on overload at the SG ? Does Perez stay here ?
Would not expect JC Allen to walk on , pay out of state fees or is he considered CA resident after playing 1 year at the CA JC?
some of the Grad transfer guys who play the 5 could be interesting ,
seems strange to penalize the guy who actually goes to class and Graduates - if you eliminate Grad transfer . thought idea was student athlete ?
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Post by rs1899 on Jan 8, 2016 19:22:58 GMT -8
Why do we keep saying Narain is intelligent? I'm sure he is; but is this assumption based on the fact he wears glasses?
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Post by fisherville on Jan 8, 2016 22:45:57 GMT -8
Do not care what you want to label him but the Aztecs will need another guy that can play the 5 position , no one said they had to be a bulky center, we usually recruit athletic guys , Malcolm Thomas style or Skylar style , but some one who start out guarding the other team's center , plays D , rebounds . Max is a shooter more of a 3 then a 5- come off the bench as spot shooter . Malik is also a 3 . Zylan is the 4 style . Jalen McD is also slender ,as of now more of a 4 , So we do need a 5 guy to rebound besides Zylan . Not totally sure how good Narain will be , very intelligent is he a taller JJ ?. MG-C would guess will slide between 3 or 2 depending on the greater need . Allen is a 3 or 2 ?. also toss in Matt at the 2 . Are we on overload at the SG ? Does Perez stay here ? Would not expect JC Allen to walk on , pay out of state fees or is he considered CA resident after playing 1 year at the CA JC? some of the Grad transfer guys who play the 5 could be interesting , seems strange to penalize the guy who actually goes to class and Graduates - if you eliminate Grad transfer . thought idea was student athlete ? Max is a 3/4, more of a 4 than a 3. |
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Post by docmm on Jan 9, 2016 8:02:49 GMT -8
Why do we keep saying Narain is intelligent? I'm sure he is; but is this assumption based on the fact he wears glasses? It might be based on him graduating a year early from high school. I believe he had enough credits to skip his Senior year and come here. On a personal note, I spoke with him at the JAM Center opening for about 10 minutes and found him to be extremely articulate, polite and mature for someone his age. He spoke very highly of his own Father and Fish. Not sure that makes him a good basketball player but he sure seems like a good kid. |
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Post by hoobs on Jan 9, 2016 9:46:55 GMT -8
He's also been widely regarded during recruitment as a "high IQ" player.
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Post by sdcoug on Jan 10, 2016 9:39:03 GMT -8
Do not care what you want to label him but the Aztecs will need another guy that can play the 5 position , no one said they had to be a bulky center, we usually recruit athletic guys , Malcolm Thomas style or Skylar style , but some one who start out guarding the other team's center , plays D , rebounds . Max is a shooter more of a 3 then a 5- come off the bench as spot shooter . Malik is also a 3 . Zylan is the 4 style . Jalen McD is also slender ,as of now more of a 4 , So we do need a 5 guy to rebound besides Zylan . Not totally sure how good Narain will be , very intelligent is he a taller JJ ?. MG-C would guess will slide between 3 or 2 depending on the greater need . Allen is a 3 or 2 ?. also toss in Matt at the 2 . Are we on overload at the SG ? Does Perez stay here ? Would not expect JC Allen to walk on , pay out of state fees or is he considered CA resident after playing 1 year at the CA JC? some of the Grad transfer guys who play the 5 could be interesting , seems strange to penalize the guy who actually goes to class and Graduates - if you eliminate Grad transfer . thought idea was student athlete ? They would require the grad transfer to sit a year like all other transfers. Grad degrees typically take 2 years so they're not taking away from the student athlete. As is, hardly any "graduate school" transfers are actually getting their graduate degrees. It's just an excuse to leave for instant gradification. |
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Post by standiego on Jan 10, 2016 12:08:34 GMT -8
So we call the guys Student Athletes , then punish a guy who actually went to school and earned enough credits - with a decent GPA - for 4 years .? Yet allow one and done , or other transfers to continue ?
So guys similar to Josh Davis , .... you say , are doing it for instant gratification or as you label it gradification - not sure what that is ?. To me if they earn their degree , they deserve the opportunity to play their final year at a school that they may choose .
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Post by sdcoug on Jan 11, 2016 10:03:28 GMT -8
So we call the guys Student Athletes , then punish a guy who actually went to school and earned enough credits - with a decent GPA - for 4 years .? Yet allow one and done , or other transfers to continue ? So guys similar to Josh Davis , .... you say , are doing it for instant gratification or as you label it gradification - not sure what that is ?. To me if they earn their degree , they deserve the opportunity to play their final year at a school that they may choose . You're actually ranting on a typo? Seriously, Mr. run on sentence?
How is this not promoting them being "student athletes"? You do recall WHY the Grad Transfer rule went into affect, and what the requirement is, correct? This came about in case a player graduated and their CURRENT university didn't offer a Grad program which suited their needs. Hence the requirement that they Grad program they go into after they transfer can NOT be offered at their current university. It wasn't put in play to allow players to jump just for the heck of it, or to play at a winning school after being at a loser.
One & done & an NBA thing. You can't stop a kid from dropping out of school & perusing money. The ONLY way that rule changes is if the NBA changes the rule, not the NCAA. "Regular" transfers are required to sit a year. This new rule would just do THE SAME! Since grad programs typically last 2+ years, and if this is truly about seeking their grad degree, why doesn't this work? Now they would actually be forced to pursue their grad degree. That is the definitely of promoting a "student athlete".
If a schools wants them, then they still can invite them, knowing they'll need to cover 2 years of scholarship instead of 1.
Fish is ALL FOR the rule change, and I'm with him on that.
We went years & years w/o the grad transfer rule, and the majority of coaches believe it's been misused & isn't working as is. So why not tweak it?
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Post by Gundo on Jan 11, 2016 16:18:20 GMT -8
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Post by standiego on Jan 11, 2016 16:40:54 GMT -8
IMO if grad transfer rule is still there then explore options , not sure if they change it ASAP , and I think student athletes should be allowed to transfer i.e..... Josh Davis - so we can agree to disagree . I see the one and done guys as taking more advantage of the situation , just let them go to the NBA ( understand it is the NBA that will not take them ), . Some may barely go to school . But others may disagree .
So as of today , Grad transfer ? , JC player or maybe a HS player that has not signed , there are some still out there ? But it is a position we will need help . Not sure if we are still in the hunt for 2017 recruit McCoy .
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Post by Gundo on Jan 12, 2016 0:25:18 GMT -8
BTW 3-star CA prospect Lucas Siewert who is 6'10 220 is still on the market. He plays here in LA and hails from Brazil, playing on the same HS team as UCLAs Kobe Pariris.
This from Scout.com after recent Holiday tournaments, "2016 Los Angeles Cathedral post Lucas Siewert remains one of the top available prospects on the west. Can really shoot it & improved inside."
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Post by standiego on Jan 12, 2016 12:48:23 GMT -8
Did 2015 Trevor Emanuel officially leave Ducks for a BW school ? Also have 2016 recruits Bolden , Allen or Thompson sign ?
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Post by Gundo on Jan 12, 2016 13:25:05 GMT -8
Did 2015 Trevor Emanuel officially leave Ducks for a BW school ? Also have 2016 recruits Bolden , Allen or Thompson sign ? Trevor Manuel signed with Loyola Marymount. The 6'9 inch 200lb 4-star PF is playing in the WCC. |
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