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Post by Deleted on Sept 2, 2015 15:54:02 GMT -8
While I am sure you are a regular at the board you listed ... I want to thank you for providing an example of posters putting others down to advance their own ego. Meanwhile the site I was talking about with more information and constructive dialogue is this one >> AzteczFight.Com left hand or right? look who's scurred. USDfan is there and contributing. If he can I'm sure some of you other posters who have legit issues with the program and want to have a more nuanced conversation can find their way there. Or you can stay at this Charger/Aztec hybrid board, whatever floats your boat.
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Post by FULL_MONTY on Sept 2, 2015 15:55:26 GMT -8
Curious, how is Rocky a competitive disadvantage to himself, the program, and we the fans? Is it Recruiting? Game Planning?, Coach Selection, Day to Day Operations, Game Day operations, Media Relations, Community Relations? Help me understand, how is Rocky Disadvantaging the program? Specifically what activities is Rocky doing or not doing to hamper us all? Please be specific, If Rocky is indeed the cancer, then let's put it on the table and discuss. Because we went through a horrible past 20 years, the administration, and some fans seem mesmerized by Rocky's "success" (fewer wins each of the last three years), and THAT is allowing us to drift toward increased invisibility nationally--again, in my opinion. If you feel that Rocky is THE guy to inject energy (not evidenced by fans' support) and winning P5 games on a regular basis, then it really does not matter what my views are on your checklist does it? And you were attempting rhetorical and sarcastic, not real questions--in my opinion. And from your "tone" and prior comments, you are obviously "offended" that anyone should doubt you, or Rocky. If you think he is the next Petersen or Patterson, then I'm not the guy with whom you really want to interact. At least not when it comes to Rocky, or the administration. Now maybe we can agree on basketball discussions, or even "campus planning", but football, in it's current form, appears to be great for you and others on this board. That's fine for you. For me, and most of San Diego, it is not. MOW, I am trying to learn. I am trying to see if Rocky is indeed disadvantaging everyone involved. So please provide some concrete examples for us to discuss and analyze. Please do not try to ascertain my tone, or my intent from the typed word. Please don't try to use me in your straw-man attack, outlining positions (I like mediocrity or failure) that I have never expressed and then try to chastise me for the straw-man you have created. Have I expressed a view that we have reached the pinnacle of the football team, the pinnacle for the Basketball program, or the Pinnacle for the university as a whole? Let's focus on the task at hand. How is Rocky Disadvantaging the program? It looks like you have set a criteria for success, P5 wins and energy. I can't say that I disagree with those success criteria. But for clarity how are you measuring energy? Attendance, donations, etc. Additionally, these are success criteria imo, not an example of how Rocky is disadvantaging the program. You apparently view Peterson and Patterson to be the types of coaches that you like, is it them personally (i.e. the energy they bring) or the results they achieved. For me Peterson is only slightly more interesting than yard art, but can you confirm if it is their personality or results. If it is results, I think it would be interesting to review the Boise and TCU programs and see what activities (internal and external) were factors in enabling the success for those coaches. Was it purely their sheer will for the success or were there other factors. Maybe after we understand what these gentlemen did or received that Rocky doesn't we will know how Rocky is disadvantaging the program. This is what I am looking to hash out and understand.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 2, 2015 16:01:56 GMT -8
Doesn't Rocky have a winning record against Peterson as Aztec HC? just sayin.
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Post by zurac315 on Sept 2, 2015 16:54:57 GMT -8
The main problem that I see with Rocky is in his ability to recruit the proper people to get a passing game going. I can't remember a time with such problems at QB and WR. And, since Escobar, at tight end. JMO
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Post by junior on Sept 2, 2015 17:39:17 GMT -8
For a former QB, I keep thinking Rocky must have a pretty good eye for potential stars on offense. But then again, so does every P5 school out there. By the time we get the recruits, it's slim pickin's… gotta depend on trying to land someone who's dissatisfied playing second or third fiddle to a bonafide star at one of the P5s.
It seems like the Aztecs also used to do much better at finding "diamonds in the rough" from JCs, now CCs.
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Post by rebar619 on Sept 2, 2015 19:38:23 GMT -8
You miss the point entirely. I have lurked over there and know who/what is going on at that site. I just find it amusing that some deem themselves real fans and are in the seat of judgement to determine who is not. It is a classic case of putting others down to make yourself feel better. actually I find this board to be very entertaining but lacking in information and constructive dialog -- I find that board to be informative and open to constructive criticism and civil discourse if I had to choose which board had more posters putting others down to advance their own ego's ... it would be this one -- but that's what makes it entertaining. Having said that ... this thread seems to support Aaron Taylor's criticism of Aztecs 'fans' The funny thing is that I notice those that say they are the real fans are the same individuals that are quick to denigrate others. The only difference on the other site you have a congregation of people that all have the same view of things. I like reading SGFs posts, I miss reading him around here, but for the most part AF reeks of "pick up my ball and go home" syndrome.
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Post by tttrojan4life on Sept 2, 2015 19:42:06 GMT -8
I may be in the minority here, but I think his in game commentary is excellent.
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Post by HighNTight on Sept 2, 2015 20:03:56 GMT -8
actually I find this board to be very entertaining but lacking in information and constructive dialog -- I find that board to be informative and open to constructive criticism and civil discourse if I had to choose which board had more posters putting others down to advance their own ego's ... it would be this one -- but that's what makes it entertaining.Having said that ... this thread seems to support Aaron Taylor's criticism of Aztecs 'fans' The funny thing is that I notice those that say they are the real fans are the same individuals that are quick to denigrate others. The only difference on the other site you have a congregation of people that all have the same view of things. I like reading SGFs posts, I miss reading him around here, but for the most part AF reeks of "pick up my ball and go home" syndrome. once I get past the irony, I will pass your sentiments on to SGF
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Post by Spud on Sept 2, 2015 20:17:31 GMT -8
6 - 16
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Post by johneaztec on Sept 2, 2015 22:04:03 GMT -8
With a city full of transplants and carpetbaggers, it's a tough sell. And it's hard to stay away from the beach. Oldie Out Every year SDSU has roughly 34,000 students, and every year SDSU pumps out 10,000 graduates, many of whom stay in town. I've never bought the beach excuse. SDSU football games are played in the evening, and in any event, who goes to the beach in October, November or December? I do. I also attend games as well.
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Post by fowl on Sept 2, 2015 22:08:16 GMT -8
actually I find this board to be very entertaining but lacking in information and constructive dialog -- I find that board to be informative and open to constructive criticism and civil discourse if I had to choose which board had more posters putting others down to advance their own ego's ... it would be this one -- but that's what makes it entertaining. Having said that ... this thread seems to support Aaron Taylor's criticism of Aztecs 'fans' The funny thing is that I notice those that say they are the real fans are the same individuals that are quick to denigrate others. The only difference on the other site you have a congregation of people that all have the same view of things. I like reading SGFs posts, I miss reading him around here, but for the most part AF reeks of "pick up my ball and go home" syndrome. I don't know what qualifies as "real fans"? Perhaps those who are steadfast in their support of Aztec athletics despite the current record - or the perception - of the team in question. I enjoy the other site better because we can have a discussion about football topics (I don't particularly care for basketball and the other site is conveniently segmented between football and basketball) and there are several very knowledgable posters who will debate ideas, thoughts, and other topics in a very well thought out and intelligent manner. Here I'd have to wade through 18 nonsensical posts to get to one that was remotely interesting. There are some posters here whom I believe present intelligent ideas who I disagree or agree with who I have no problem debating and I enjoy their takes. Then there are others who I really really wonder if they don't have some sort of mental handicap. Those folks I won't respond to at all no matter how idiotic and factually incorrect their post may seem. And MOW is not even remotely close to being one of them - I enjoy him and his takes but I wish he would expound somewhat. What really bothers me are the folks who point to the 60's and 70's and wonder why our current team isn't remotely close to being as good as those teams when they have zero concept of how ridiculously easy the teams in the 60's and 70's had it. For example, in the 70's we averaged 7.5 home games and 3.5 road games a year. And we played mostly schools who don't even have a football team anymore. The current SEC teams don't even have it that good.
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Post by johneaztec on Sept 2, 2015 22:09:28 GMT -8
Every year SDSU has roughly 34,000 students, and every year SDSU pumps out 10,000 graduates, many of whom stay in town. I've never bought the beach excuse. SDSU football games are played in the evening, and in any event, who goes to the beach in October, November or December? Lots of people do when there are no crowds, and you can bet the surfers are there in their wetsuits especially! But, when you get down to it people can come up with tons of excuses if they want. The main thing that will bring larger crowds back to the Q is a winning team that is making noise beating P5 schools. It has happened before, and can happen again. Nail. Head. Pretty simple.
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Post by johneaztec on Sept 2, 2015 22:14:36 GMT -8
Every year SDSU has roughly 34,000 students, and every year SDSU pumps out 10,000 graduates, many of whom stay in town. I've never bought the beach excuse. SDSU football games are played in the evening, and in any event, who goes to the beach in October, November or December? The beach excuse is ridiculous. So is the pretty girl excuse. So is the there are lots of things to do excuse. Big money donors are waiting for success before they donate. They've got it backwards. The time to donate is when the team is doing poorly. That's right, but the big donors who aren't alumni don't see it that way. Unfortunately.
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Post by cpeedlimit on Sept 3, 2015 4:23:09 GMT -8
Aaron Taylor is spot on the mark and any of you D bags saying he needs to chill should jump off the board for good. We have a prominent figure in the sport standing up and passionately supporting MY Aztecs and we have idiot San Diegans saying he should chill!?!? As I proudly fly my Aztec flag in San Antonio and rage in support of my Tecs through the TV I'm coming to the realization that maybe SDSU is not the sleeping giant I know it can be. My challenge to you Tec fans in the city is to go over the top with your support and get in the face of fairweather fans at the games. Educate them on the culture and mindset that Rocky brings to these young men and how not only does it show on the football field, but how it translates to them being successful in life. It seems that many who show constant pessimism on this board, I can only presume, have lost touch with reality as a result of mommy and daddy's trust fund. Success comes from hard work and support from those around you! TEC Pride sent proudly from the great state of Texas!
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Post by Fishn'Aztec on Sept 3, 2015 5:08:40 GMT -8
As far as I can see with the MGC computer based broadcasts, you might as well attend the games if you can. San Diego nights aren't bad and traffic in the Valley clears out pretty fast compared with stop and go shite you see on I-5 going through Portland or Seattle on a Sunday afternoon!
GO AZTECS, GO See Thee AZTECS!
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Post by droski on Sept 3, 2015 7:04:03 GMT -8
he's always been a dope of the highest order. the epitome of the stereotype of the arrogant dumb jock. Dude was a jock, and can be arrogant, but he's pretty smart. not from what I've seen
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Post by SuperAztec on Sept 3, 2015 7:57:27 GMT -8
With a city full of transplants and carpetbaggers, it's a tough sell. And it's hard to stay away from the beach. Oldie Out Every year SDSU has roughly 34,000 students, and every year SDSU pumps out 10,000 graduates, many of whom stay in town. I've never bought the beach excuse. SDSU football games are played in the evening, and in any event, who goes to the beach in October, November or December? Could not agree more - I have always thought the issue is that the kind of kids that come to SDSU are already tainted when it comes to the FB team b/c of the past 10-15 years. They are just not all that excited from the get-go to show up at gams and support the team. The game day experience is not that great and kegs of beer and hot chicks at a Sat night party sound way better. (even better than the beach). Why do you think students bail at Half-time even when they do show up??? So since they do not get "hooked" when they are students, why would they care when they graduate? It has been stated over and over and over.....but when (I said when not if) we win a big game and when the game day experience is better from the student perspective thing will start to change. Now its not all about students, but they are the building blocks of the future and seems like a whole decade of them (more or less) was lost. Games in the late 80's when I was there were fun....lots of student and lots of Greeks with the banners. It was like a frat party for everyone at the games. Get them there, win some, make them care and things will get better. Oh, and I go to the beach all year long. Its why I live in CA...and put up with all the crap.
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Post by rebar619 on Sept 3, 2015 8:32:47 GMT -8
The funny thing is that I notice those that say they are the real fans are the same individuals that are quick to denigrate others. The only difference on the other site you have a congregation of people that all have the same view of things. I like reading SGFs posts, I miss reading him around here, but for the most part AF reeks of "pick up my ball and go home" syndrome. I don't know what qualifies as "real fans"? Perhaps those who are steadfast in their support of Aztec athletics despite the current record - or the perception - of the team in question. I enjoy the other site better because we can have a discussion about football topics (I don't particularly care for basketball and the other site is conveniently segmented between football and basketball) and there are several very knowledgable posters who will debate ideas, thoughts, and other topics in a very well thought out and intelligent manner. Here I'd have to wade through 18 nonsensical posts to get to one that was remotely interesting. There are some posters here whom I believe present intelligent ideas who I disagree or agree with who I have no problem debating and I enjoy their takes. Then there are others who I really really wonder if they don't have some sort of mental handicap. Those folks I won't respond to at all no matter how idiotic and factually incorrect their post may seem. And MOW is not even remotely close to being one of them - I enjoy him and his takes but I wish he would expound somewhat. What really bothers me are the folks who point to the 60's and 70's and wonder why our current team isn't remotely close to being as good as those teams when they have zero concept of how ridiculously easy the teams in the 60's and 70's had it. For example, in the 70's we averaged 7.5 home games and 3.5 road games a year. And we played mostly schools who don't even have a football team anymore. The current SEC teams don't even have it that good. Well said fowl. well said.
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Post by AzTex on Sept 3, 2015 8:39:58 GMT -8
Aaron Taylor is spot on the mark and any of you D bags saying he needs to chill should jump off the board for good. We have a prominent figure in the sport standing up and passionately supporting MY Aztecs and we have idiot San Diegans saying he should chill!?!? As I proudly fly my Aztec flag in San Antonio and rage in support of my Tecs through the TV I'm coming to the realization that maybe SDSU is not the sleeping giant I know it can be. My challenge to you Tec fans in the city is to go over the top with your support and get in the face of fairweather fans at the games. Educate them on the culture and mindset that Rocky brings to these young men and how not only does it show on the football field, but how it translates to them being successful in life. It seems that many who show constant pessimism on this board, I can only presume, have lost touch with reality as a result of mommy and daddy's trust fund. Success comes from hard work and support from those around you! TEC Pride sent proudly from the great state of Texas! Don't mess with Texas.
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Post by sdcoug on Sept 3, 2015 8:45:42 GMT -8
Every year SDSU has roughly 34,000 students, and every year SDSU pumps out 10,000 graduates, many of whom stay in town. I've never bought the beach excuse. SDSU football games are played in the evening, and in any event, who goes to the beach in October, November or December? Could not agree more - I have always thought the issue is that the kind of kids that come to SDSU are already tainted when it comes to the FB team b/c of the past 10-15 years. They are just not all that excited from the get-go to show up at gams and support the team. The game day experience is not that great and kegs of beer and hot chicks at a Sat night party sound way better. (even better than the beach). Why do you think students bail at Half-time even when they do show up???
So since they do not get "hooked" when they are students, why would they care when they graduate? It has been stated over and over and over.....but when (I said when not if) we win a big game and when the game day experience is better from the student perspective thing will start to change. Now its not all about students, but they are the building blocks of the future and seems like a whole decade of them (more or less) was lost. Games in the late 80's when I was there were fun....lots of student and lots of Greeks with the banners. It was like a frat party for everyone at the games. Get them there, win some, make them care and things will get better. Oh, and I go to the beach all year long. Its why I live in CA...and put up with all the crap. That's an epidemic nationally. We're not the only program complaining about students not being there for the 3rd and/or 4th quarter.
Given we're also off campus, in today's world of high-def 60" screens, SDSU has several hurdles to getting students to attend games.
Using football as a carrot to get b-ball tickets hopefully will help.
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