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Post by myownwords on Jul 2, 2015 9:37:00 GMT -8
my 2 cents, Hypothetically speaking If Kawhi was having second thoughts after signing with SDSU the coaches would have TRIED a lot harder to convince him to stay. I think in some way this was a 2 way street. Coaches and players communicating on who's coming in and who they are close to signing. I have to believe that Broderick saw the writing on the wall and did what was best for him and SDSU! Lets see where he ends up, I'm sure this is all about Broderick's playing time and what he felt was best for his development and playing time. But to what extent do you have any knowledge of Fisher's persuasion efforts, or lack thereof?
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Post by sdcoug on Jul 2, 2015 9:39:44 GMT -8
From NBCsports.com “I’m disappointed that someone who signed and committed in November now doesn’t want to come,” Fisher said Tuesday night. “But I’ve always been of the opinion that it’s critical there must be a passion to be some place or it won’t be what it should be. So if someone is having second thoughts, then I think we’re all better served if he doesn’t come to San Diego State.”Words of wisdom. What is he supposed to say - "we really want him so even if he doesn't like us we're going to make him play for us"? This is basically along the same lines as "we play them 1 game at a time" - it's the only thing you can say, and typical coach speak. Not necessarily words of "wisdom".
Obviously if someone doesn't want to play for you then you're better off without him. That's not the issue; never has been. You simply don't want a player to get to that point, but sometimes its beyond your control.
BTW, Cal had a player do the same thing this week - never got around to signing his LOI or scholarship papers & now changed his mind & is going to Okie St. It happens. Cal's highly regarded class of 4 got cut in half before adding another new recruit.
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Post by sdcoug on Jul 2, 2015 9:43:54 GMT -8
my 2 cents, Hypothetically speaking If Kawhi was having second thoughts after signing with SDSU the coaches would have TRIED a lot harder to convince him to stay. I think in some way this was a 2 way street. Coaches and players communicating on who's coming in and who they are close to signing. I have to believe that Broderick saw the writing on the wall and did what was best for him and SDSU! Lets see where he ends up, I'm sure this is all about Broderick's playing time and what he felt was best for his development and playing time. But to what extent do you have any knowledge of Fisher's persuasion efforts, or lack thereof? We don't. They may be in LA today for all we know.
Plus, as of today Jones has NOBODY ahead of him for PT in '17. So even if we sign Cage/Kone, he still would have had as big a chance to compete for PT as he will going almost anywhere. We desperately need size, more so than most teams right now.
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Post by myownwords on Jul 2, 2015 9:53:52 GMT -8
But to what extent do you have any knowledge of Fisher's persuasion efforts, or lack thereof? We don't. They may be in LA today for all we know.
Plus, as of today Jones has NOBODY ahead of him for PT in '17. So even if we sign Cage/Kone, he still would have had as big a chance to compete for PT as he will going almost anywhere. We desperately need size, more so than most teams right now.
Good answer. But even though it is appears to create a major hole, we're in the dark as to whether Fisher wept, or clapped, as his departure. And we may never know---at least not from Fisher.
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Post by sdcoug on Jul 2, 2015 10:40:30 GMT -8
We don't. They may be in LA today for all we know.
Plus, as of today Jones has NOBODY ahead of him for PT in '17. So even if we sign Cage/Kone, he still would have had as big a chance to compete for PT as he will going almost anywhere. We desperately need size, more so than most teams right now.
Good answer. But even though it is appears to create a major hole, we're in the dark as to whether Fisher wept, or clapped, as his departure. And we may never know---at least not from Fisher. They were caught off guard by his decision & were counting on him being here. If they wanted to "clap" at his departure they easily could have been the ones to encourage him to go elsewhere.
Think it's pretty obvious from the interview with Fisher that he wasn't happy about this.
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Post by aztecanthony on Jul 2, 2015 11:42:22 GMT -8
Good answer. But even though it is appears to create a major hole, we're in the dark as to whether Fisher wept, or clapped, as his departure. And we may never know---at least not from Fisher. They were caught off guard by his decision & were counting on him being here. If they wanted to "clap" at his departure they easily could have been the ones to encourage him to go elsewhere.
Think it's pretty obvious from the interview with Fisher that he wasn't happy about this.
[br Or coach could be acting, saying the PC coach speak. We will never know for sure but I think Fisher and company have a good hunch. From what I have read and seen I think the program is better off.
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Post by standiego on Jul 2, 2015 11:46:46 GMT -8
No one is saying Aztec Coaches were happy that BJ is the one choosing to leave the Aztecs At This Time Of The Year, when most of the add ons to the quality 2015 rosters are done . Timing being the key issue. And no one likes to be rejected. Did the Aztecs "pass " on any possible PF/C transfers... Williams ? Most likely or it would have been the priority for transfers. Fortunately BJ was perceived to be a third string reserve at both PF and C for 2015 while prepping for 2016-17 season . We do have 5 guys that are 6'7" or better for this year . Yes if two go down , trouble . But then again if Malik and Shepard go down , even if we had BJ we would be in trouble . Like it or not as the coaches head off to all AAU weekend events this evaluation month of July , they now know they have another scholarship available ., with eyes on guys that play the 5 and or 4 . So coach the guys we have during the week , evaluate recruits on the weekends . Then tell BJ they can chat after that . Would not give up the leverage on him so easily .
Some mentioned CAL . CAL went out and recruited/ signed 2015 recruit Roman Davis a forward , so Davon Dillard 2015 forward recruit, who had Not signed his NLI , decided to leave for OK State . 2015 recruit Jolly has decided it would be better to reclassify to 2016 ,go to a Prep School , believe he will remain a CAL recruit for 2016 . So CAL was not stung .
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Post by breaztec on Jul 2, 2015 18:11:32 GMT -8
According to the Mark,Ziegler he still hasn't been granted his release have you heard other wise.
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Post by standiego on Jul 3, 2015 9:53:15 GMT -8
BJ waited until close to the last minute to make his thoughts known about Not wanting to come to SDSU . The Aztec Coaches have a lot to do this month out evaluating talent every weekend at the various events all across the country , plus coaching the guys who want to be here for Summer School Practice during the week . So they should talk about his release in August after evaluation time is over . Believe Zeigler said he will be on 1090 radio next week to talk about Aztec Basketball . So we could get a closer look into the situation.
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Post by sidebar2319 on Jul 3, 2015 13:59:24 GMT -8
I doubt we pulled the scholarship. It looks like he really did not progress during the past year. Stars don't mean everything; however, I think ESPN has him as a two star. No way he ends up at a premiere basketball school. Is this just your thought on it or do you actually have some real info on where he might end up. Don't make stupid assumptions if you don't know the facts. He was going to be a good addition program. Personally I hate to see him leave.
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Post by fisherville on Jul 3, 2015 14:27:53 GMT -8
Supposedly we asked him to take a prep year and he didn't want to do that
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Post by Deleted on Jul 3, 2015 15:12:55 GMT -8
Supposedly we asked him to take a prep year and he didn't want to do that At the time that prep schools were discussed, he hadn't earned a qualifying score on the SAT. That would have been better than burning a year at a JC or sitting around watching Family Feud. He called in to notify the coaches that disaster had been averted, but he's taking his SAT score on the road.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 3, 2015 15:19:09 GMT -8
I could honestly see a teenager getting butt hurt about the coach spin regarding the advantages of sitting out. "You can use that year to improve your skills and physique coming in ready to contribute, blah blah blah." That could hurt the ego of a former top ten eight grader who has watched is rankings slip through is high school years.
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Post by Luchador El Guerrero Azteca on Jul 3, 2015 15:23:36 GMT -8
I have to disagree with your point that if he isn't a quality person that it still hurts going forward. Well, I don't know if he is not a quality person but if he fits the description then we haven't been hurt and may in fact be helped. Character Counts. We only know, or assume, he isn't a good character because he's no longer coming to SDSU. Therefore, him deciding to not come to SDSU only HURTS us. If he came here we wouldn't think he wasn't a good character person, and he wouldn't have done anything to deserve the label.
The WDWHA mentality doesn't make sense to me. We wanted him; he decided other avenues were better for him. Doesn't mean he wouldn't have been a good character person had he gone here or he won't turn out to be a very good teammate wherever he goes.
IMO our basketball team is worse today than it was yesterday. We can agree to disagree on this one.
No worries, we can always disagree. I am already at the point I don't like to be regarding speculation. In general, not knowing any specific case, if a kid got to a point that he was released prior to playing, I suspect that the reason would either be familial (homesick or ailing/needy parents) or that they fell out of favor with the staff or saw a reduction in playing time due to other recruits. If the latter, I have problems since in my mind, all positions are yours to win and competition with high quality is the best tool to improvement. We want competitors, not ones that want to be given positions.
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Post by rs1899 on Jul 3, 2015 17:00:20 GMT -8
I doubt we pulled the scholarship. It looks like he really did not progress during the past year. Stars don't mean everything; however, I think ESPN has him as a two star. No way he ends up at a premiere basketball school. Is this just your thought on it or do you actually have some real info on where he might end up. Don't make stupid assumptions if you don't know the facts. He was going to be a good addition program. Personally I hate to see him leave. This entire board consists of people's thoughts. No one has real info. He will probably end up like Zabo; looking into a lower program such as Hofstra. Move on from him...
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Post by sdcoug on Jul 3, 2015 22:38:49 GMT -8
We only know, or assume, he isn't a good character because he's no longer coming to SDSU. Therefore, him deciding to not come to SDSU only HURTS us. If he came here we wouldn't think he wasn't a good character person, and he wouldn't have done anything to deserve the label.
The WDWHA mentality doesn't make sense to me. We wanted him; he decided other avenues were better for him. Doesn't mean he wouldn't have been a good character person had he gone here or he won't turn out to be a very good teammate wherever he goes.
IMO our basketball team is worse today than it was yesterday. We can agree to disagree on this one.
No worries, we can always disagree. I am already at the point I don't like to be regarding speculation. In general, not knowing any specific case, if a kid got to a point that he was released prior to playing, I suspect that the reason would either be familial (homesick or ailing/needy parents) or that they fell out of favor with the staff or saw a reduction in playing time due to other recruits. If the latter, I have problems since in my mind, all positions are yours to win and competition with high quality is the best tool to improvement. We want competitors, not ones that want to be given positions. Huh? He wasn't released and didn't fall out of favor with the staff. Not until he,surprised them by telling them he wasn't coming.
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Post by uncledougy on Jul 4, 2015 8:20:39 GMT -8
How could any kid do better than landing a scholarship at SDSU? There is nothing better, unless you enter the NBA draft.
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Post by Luchador El Guerrero Azteca on Jul 4, 2015 8:21:41 GMT -8
No worries, we can always disagree. I am already at the point I don't like to be regarding speculation. In general, not knowing any specific case, if a kid got to a point that he was released prior to playing, I suspect that the reason would either be familial (homesick or ailing/needy parents) or that they fell out of favor with the staff or saw a reduction in playing time due to other recruits. If the latter, I have problems since in my mind, all positions are yours to win and competition with high quality is the best tool to improvement. We want competitors, not ones that want to be given positions. Huh? He wasn't released and didn't fall out of favor with the staff. Not until he,surprised them by telling them he wasn't coming. That's why I spoke in generalities, I didn't see the updates to the thread, having posted from my limited phone. At this point, I'll be happy to see how it unfolds.
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Post by sdsu2000 on Jul 4, 2015 15:26:21 GMT -8
Here's his new list.
@brodricksjones3: Arizona St, Oregon, Washington St, Colorado, UTEP, Memphis, Providence, SMU, Florida St , Long Beach St. Nebraska.
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Post by rs1899 on Jul 4, 2015 16:12:57 GMT -8
Here's his new list. @brodricksjones3: Arizona St, Oregon, Washington St, Colorado, UTEP, Memphis, Providence, SMU, Florida St , Long Beach St. Nebraska. I see Long Beach State in his future...
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