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Post by aztech on May 23, 2015 0:10:40 GMT -8
Interesting, so what's the priority? Developing the young guys or winning the bowl? Please, don't give me that shit that it's both. That's for coaches, not fans. So once again you choose to ignore the fact most if not all coaches take the same philosophy as Rocky. Again, if you refuse to believe other coaches, which clearly has been posted for you to read, saying the same thing he says there's no helping you. You are stuck and stubborn. I'll buy the same philosophy thing, but I'll answer my own question which you failed to address. Their priority differs from Rocky's. Excuse it all you want, but Rocky's bowl record speaks for itself.
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Post by aztech on May 23, 2015 1:25:31 GMT -8
Yes, there are no more power teams in the conference (byu, tcu, utah)...pretty easy to win when all the good teams have left and they filled the void with crap. OK, you can point to Boise as being good, I'll give you that one... We played in a conference with TCU for about 5 years and Utah wasn't all that amazing until Urban came along. Are you seriously excusing all the suck since Gilbert but then acting like Rocky has accomplished zero here? Selective excuse making? FYI, since the MWC was formed we beat McBride only once and Whittingham once. The rest were losses. IOW between 1999-2010 our record against the Utes is 2-12. The same as against BYU. We never beat TCU while they were here. There's no way in hell we'd have enjoyed the same won loss records if they were still here because Hawaii, NV and SJSU probably wouldn't be here to pad our record.
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Post by gocoaztec on May 23, 2015 5:51:40 GMT -8
A lot on AM say that all the MWC bowl games are worthless trash...then many (often the same) grouse when, in their opinion, Coach Long doesn't take these very same bowl games as seriously as they believe that he should.
I believe that Rocky has made the program goal clear: Win the MWC Championship. He seems to agree with those who believe that the lower bowl games don't count for much, so he uses a lot of the extra practice time to improve the chances of winning the MWC the next year. As for bowl games, he seems to believe that the only ones that matter are the playoff games. My guess is that he would expand that to include the access bowl if we could do well enough to be selected.
But, first things first: we must win the MWC to have a reasonable chance of going to the access bowl. The goal is clear, and correct. Let's get it done.
Go Aztecs!
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Post by aztecron on May 23, 2015 7:34:31 GMT -8
Let's be serious ... this ranking is pretty useless. 3. Tim Deyruter - Fresno St (takes into account his total time at Fresno St. not just last season) 4. Troy Calhoun - Air Force (ranking based on a turn around season in 2014, but ignores 2013 results) 5. Craig Bohl - Wyoming (based solely on his FCS record and not his D1 results) 6. Rocky Long - San Diego St (based on his winning 6-9 games a year consistently) You could basically interchange #s 3-6 and they really should just be tied ... #7 Mike Bobo (CSU) has not even coached a snap in the MWC and is this will be his 1st HC position Polian at #8 when Deyruter is at #3 makes no sense unless you are basing this ranking on W/L in 2014 but if that is the case then why is Bohl ranked #5? no, this ranking is bunk Kinda like the conference, n'cest pas? Let's see now, Long's conference record is 22-9, non-conference record is 10-11, (we could break that down but that would be even more depressing), four trips to a toilet bowl resulting in a 1-3 record and this crap is what's going to win the hearts and minds of San Diegans when the Chargers leave, right? This crap is going to secure money and support for a new football stadium for the Aztecs, right? Long's hire was from the beginning the very definition of insanity according to Einstein. His record at State given what he had to work with compared to UNM has pretty much netted the same results. And now we got rocket scientists itching for the Chargers to leave so the Aztecs can get all these goodies. Most of the time, I find it funny. Sometimes, well..... You're sounding more and more like the old AztecJoe. Thanks for the memories...
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Post by Deleted on May 23, 2015 8:26:20 GMT -8
We played in a conference with TCU for about 5 years and Utah wasn't all that amazing until Urban came along. Are you seriously excusing all the suck since Gilbert but then acting like Rocky has accomplished zero here? Selective excuse making? FYI, since the MWC was formed we beat McBride only once and Whittingham once. The rest were losses. IOW between 1999-2010 our record against the Utes is 2-12. The same as against BYU. We never beat TCU while they were here. There's no way in hell we'd have enjoyed the same won loss records if they were still here because Hawaii, NV and SJSU probably wouldn't be here to pad our record. You funny....from 99-2010 there were a lot of teams we were 2-12 against...not just Utah. IIRC CSU was better than the Utes in the early days of the MW. It wasn't so much that they were so almighty as it was that we were plain terrible. I like that people will make excuses for craft and chuck...but RL loses some close games with P5s when we are basically playing without a real QB and he is trash that should be disguarded asap...hate blindness? Selective excuse making? What is the name of this affliction?
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Post by aztech on May 23, 2015 10:35:32 GMT -8
FYI, since the MWC was formed we beat McBride only once and Whittingham once. The rest were losses. IOW between 1999-2010 our record against the Utes is 2-12. The same as against BYU. We never beat TCU while they were here. There's no way in hell we'd have enjoyed the same won loss records if they were still here because Hawaii, NV and SJSU probably wouldn't be here to pad our record. You funny....from 99-2010 there were a lot of teams we were 2-12 against...not just Utah. IIRC CSU was better than the Utes in the early days of the MW. It wasn't so much that they were so almighty as it was that we were plain terrible. I like that people will make excuses for craft and chuck...but RL loses some close games with P5s when we are basically playing without a real QB and he is trash that should be disguarded asap...hate blindness? Selective excuse making? What is the name of this affliction? Excuse me, are we talking about the Utes or the rest of the MWC? The fact is the Utah was pretty decent before building their program. Urban Meyer was their Brady Hoke and Whit is......, oh never mind. LOL
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Post by Deleted on May 23, 2015 10:55:14 GMT -8
You funny....from 99-2010 there were a lot of teams we were 2-12 against...not just Utah. IIRC CSU was better than the Utes in the early days of the MW. It wasn't so much that they were so almighty as it was that we were plain terrible. I like that people will make excuses for craft and chuck...but RL loses some close games with P5s when we are basically playing without a real QB and he is trash that should be disguarded asap...hate blindness? Selective excuse making? What is the name of this affliction? Excuse me, are we talking about the Utes or the rest of the MWC? The fact is the Utah was pretty decent before building their program. Urban Meyer was their Brady Hoke and Whit is......, oh never mind. LOL
you've got to be kidding
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Post by aztech on May 23, 2015 11:25:23 GMT -8
Excuse me, are we talking about the Utes or the rest of the MWC? The fact is the Utah was pretty decent before building their program. Urban Meyer was their Brady Hoke and Whit is......, oh never mind. LOL
you've got to be kidding It's above you.
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Post by sdcoug on May 23, 2015 22:03:48 GMT -8
So once again you choose to ignore the fact most if not all coaches take the same philosophy as Rocky. Again, if you refuse to believe other coaches, which clearly has been posted for you to read, saying the same thing he says there's no helping you. You are stuck and stubborn. I'll buy the same philosophy thing, but I'll answer my own question which you failed to address. Their priority differs from Rocky's. Excuse it all you want, but Rocky's bowl record speaks for itself.
You obviously don't get it. So you're saying that they have the same philosophy yet Rocky cares less? Yea, that makes sense. Again, if you want to continue to dismiss reality go for it and enjoy your world.
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Post by AztecWilliam on May 23, 2015 22:46:27 GMT -8
A lot on AM say that all the MWC bowl games are worthless trash...then many (often the same) grouse when, in their opinion, Coach Long doesn't take these very same bowl games as seriously as they believe that he should. I believe that Rocky has made the program goal clear: Win the MWC Championship. He seems to agree with those who believe that the lower bowl games don't count for much, so he uses a lot of the extra practice time to improve the chances of winning the MWC the next year. As for bowl games, he seems to believe that the only ones that matter are the playoff games. My guess is that he would expand that to include the access bowl if we could do well enough to be selected. But, first things first: we must win the MWC to have a reasonable chance of going to the access bowl. The goal is clear, and correct. Let's get it done. Go Aztecs! Well, I'll tell you one thing. Second and especially third rate bowls certainly do count for a lot . . . a whole hell of a lot WHEN YOU KEEP LOSING THEM!!!! A school that is playing respected teams most of the time (i.e., Power Conference schools) is automatically given a bit of slack if they lose a bowl game. An 8-4 team that loses to a Top-25 P5 school, unless they are totally pulverized doing it, are not considered worthless trash unfit even for discussion in polite society. On the other hand, a G5 school, as SDSU in 2011, 2012, and 2014 that loses to mediocre teams in rock bottom bowls, earn no respect whatsoever. (Perhaps BYU in the P-Bowl was a bit above mediocre, but I think you see that I mean.) Same for G5 schools that can manage to beat a P5 team once every decade. (And Kansas and Wazzu were really bad G5 teams when we beat them in '99 and '11 respectively.) I have no doubt that Rocky has tried his best to beat the good non=conference schools on our schedule. Same with bowl games. The fact is, however, that SDSU under Rocky Long has only been a sliver better than dead average. This will be year five of the RLong era. I think he is a good coach, but a good coach who cannot break through to a higher level is not what we need. As for other MWC coaches, look what McIntyre did at San Jose State.....the most Spartan wins since 1940! Time DeRuyter won 9 games in his first year and 11 in his second, including a MWC championship. Last year was 6-8, but he at least got to the MWC championship game. We didn't do that! I'll repeat a question I have posted before. How long do we stick with Long? How long till he produces a breakthrough season as Fresno did in 2013? How many wins must the Aztecs produce this year for Rocky to be retained? Come on, you Rocky apologists, how do you answer those questions? AzWm
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Post by aztech on May 23, 2015 23:52:14 GMT -8
I'll buy the same philosophy thing, but I'll answer my own question which you failed to address. Their priority differs from Rocky's. Excuse it all you want, but Rocky's bowl record speaks for itself.
You obviously don't get it. So you're saying that they have the same philosophy yet Rocky cares less? Yea, that makes sense. Again, if you want to continue to dismiss reality go for it and enjoy your world. His bowl record doesn't lie. As for this season? Show me.
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Post by Spud on May 24, 2015 9:21:37 GMT -8
Yes, there are no more power teams in the conference (byu, tcu, utah)...pretty easy to win when all the good teams have left and they filled the void with crap. OK, you can point to Boise as being good, I'll give you that one... We played in a conference with TCU for about 5 years and Utah wasn't all that amazing until Urban came along. Are you seriously excusing all the suck since Gilbert but then acting like Rocky has accomplished zero here? Selective excuse making? I'm not ignoring the increadible amount of suck our program has had, I'm just not on the RL is the savior bandwagon since his winning record is predominantly built on teams that had loosing records...
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Post by HighNTight on May 24, 2015 9:56:43 GMT -8
We played in a conference with TCU for about 5 years and Utah wasn't all that amazing until Urban came along. Are you seriously excusing all the suck since Gilbert but then acting like Rocky has accomplished zero here? Selective excuse making? I'm not ignoring the increadible amount of suck our program has had, I'm just not on the RL is the savior bandwagon since his winning record is predominantly built on teams that had loosing records...?
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Post by AccessBowlTime on May 24, 2015 13:28:10 GMT -8
Winning at Boise was impressive but Rocky's primary focus has always been winning conference games. That would be fine for everybody if SDSU was in the SEC and it's fine for him personally as I'm sure it gives him status with his peers. However, it absolutely cannot or at least should not be fine with Jim Sterk. Practically speaking, the only chance for SDSU to continue to play major college football permanently is to gain membership in a P5 conference. And since no P5 conference has any respect for the MWC, just winning most MWC games isn't going to get it done. Nope, the Aztecs need to start beating P5 opponents at least half the time, something which would require emphasizing those games over all others yet words out of Rocky's mouth and game plans are evidence he doesn't do that and likely won't ever do so unless Jim Sterk begins demanding it.
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Post by AccessBowlTime on May 24, 2015 14:05:23 GMT -8
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Post by Spud on May 24, 2015 19:30:56 GMT -8
I'm not ignoring the increadible amount of suck our program has had, I'm just not on the RL is the savior bandwagon since his winning record is predominantly built on teams that had loosing records...? His win/loss ratio against teams with winning records is bad....I did all the research sometime last year so you can either believe me or not...What I'm getting at is his winning seasons are against crap teams which is what we should expect...but play +500 teams, and it's bad.
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Post by HighNTight on May 25, 2015 10:37:57 GMT -8
? His win/loss ratio against teams with winning records is bad....I did all the research sometime last year so you can either believe me or not...What I'm getting at is his winning seasons are against crap teams which is what we should expect...but play +500 teams, and it's bad. are you really going to start comparing the win/loss ratios vs. teams with winning and losing records of all D1 coaches to better put your criticism in perspective or did you just want to look at the one coach in a vacuum?
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Post by Spud on May 25, 2015 16:56:03 GMT -8
His win/loss ratio against teams with winning records is bad....I did all the research sometime last year so you can either believe me or not...What I'm getting at is his winning seasons are against crap teams which is what we should expect...but play +500 teams, and it's bad. are you really going to start comparing the win/loss ratios vs. teams with winning and losing records of all D1 coaches to better put your criticism in perspective or did you just want to look at the one coach in a vacuum? Not here to start an argument or compare against other coaches. My opinion is that RL is a marginal coach at best and if the AD's intention is to compete for the MWC title as a high water mark, then they've got the right guy. If we have any intentions of competing for real bowls, we'll have to make a significant change...although I really doubt that would be possible given budget situation....
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Post by HighNTight on May 25, 2015 17:06:33 GMT -8
are you really going to start comparing the win/loss ratios vs. teams with winning and losing records of all D1 coaches to better put your criticism in perspective or did you just want to look at the one coach in a vacuum? Not here to start an argument or compare against other coaches. My opinion is that RL is a marginal coach at best and if the AD's intention is to compete for the MWC title as a high water mark, then they've got the right guy. If we have any intentions of competing for real bowls, we'll have to make a significant change...although I really doubt that would be possible given budget situation.... so the vacuum then ...
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Post by Spud on May 25, 2015 17:16:18 GMT -8
Not here to start an argument or compare against other coaches. My opinion is that RL is a marginal coach at best and if the AD's intention is to compete for the MWC title as a high water mark, then they've got the right guy. If we have any intentions of competing for real bowls, we'll have to make a significant change...although I really doubt that would be possible given budget situation.... so the vacuum then ... I didn't rank him 6th in the conference...glad you're OK with mediocrity.
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