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Post by Deleted on May 18, 2015 13:25:57 GMT -8
Dean Spanos stepping down so he will be focusing on the stadium issue. Fabiani released a very concise statement saying that their experts and lawyers will be looking at the proposal very closely. To my surprise, he didn't shoot it down. Why? he got what he wanted; A concrete proposal. Call me nutty, but I don't think downtown is completely off the table. The convis IDIOTS!™ have completely bollixed their "contiguous" wet dream and may well be coming back to earth. There's another set of billionaires down there that need their bread buttered too. How much they're willing to pony up will be the question.
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Post by ab on May 18, 2015 13:27:47 GMT -8
Really? Did you not expect STate to have to pay more than they've been paying for years? Win, play exciting football, put butts in seats and there wouldn't be a problem would there? If State doesn't like the proposal then they can build their own stadium with all that money that some seem to believe they can raise or have. If you can't see the obvious differences between Viejas and a shared stadium with the Chargers I can't help you. It's clear you have a personal stake in the matter driving your opinion anyway. You don't seem to be evaluating much, just rushing to defend a proposal that was released not but an hour ago. and you've rushed to criticize it. Sorry junior, I don't know how many f'ing times I've said I don't want the Chargers to move out of town. What part of that don't you get? That's my ONLY agenda. I've been a fan since they first moved to S.Diego. I'm not like people your age who dump teams just because they don't win enough. Your obvious is obvious only to you. Quit thinking like a Cowtown goat roper and start realizing that the door is open to State. They can buy the acreage that the City will sell if they so choose. The team can play in a NEW NFL Stadium or they can build their own. Options are plentiful for State and everybody can be "happy" except for some on here, like you, who just don't get the big picture. By the way how much are you going to donate to help State?
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Post by aardvark on May 18, 2015 13:33:34 GMT -8
Lots of "tailgating" goes on out of a pick-up or the trunk of a car. You don't see any RV's in Tailgate Park downtown. Oh, and no, I don't own an RV. So why are you concerned about all the RV owners? ![8D](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/insane.png) I bring it up as a point of conversation. Many people will say "what about tailgaters"? You and I both know you can tailgate without an RV.
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Post by ab on May 18, 2015 13:35:41 GMT -8
So why are you concerned about all the RV owners? ![8D](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/insane.png) I bring it up as a point of conversation. Many people will say "what about tailgaters"? You and I both know you can tailgate without an RV. Of course, and he stated there should be enough area to tailgate in. Now, whether or not that includes RV parking or not remains to be seen. It's just the first go-round on the proposal and no doubt will include many future tweaks to improve it. Hell, I've tailgated in parking garages before and cement works as well as Blacktop. Anybody who expected that there would be as much flat parking/tailgate area as there is now is nuts. It's just the reality of the situation and as well, most other stadiums.
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Post by HighNTight on May 18, 2015 13:36:13 GMT -8
"[The] financing plan, created by Mayor Kevin Faulconer’s stadium task force, includes $200 million from the NFL, $300 million from the Chargers and another $300 million in rent payments from the team over the next 30 years — $10 million per year." There is so much wrong with this plan I don't know where to begin -- but the things that stand out for me: How similar this is to the Petco deal in that the General Fund will be used both to guarantee the bonds and to backstop shortfalls in revenue (this time for much more than $275M). The Sale of 75 acres for $225M to developers based on the preposition of relaxed zoning seems problematic as well as the creation of an infrastructure enhancement zone to capture additional taxes to pay for highway and street improvements that have not been included in this estimate. They are trying to avoid a public vote by trying to keep the sale below 80 acres ... not sure that will be successful. I see they did not include the repayment costs of the present stadium bond obligations and back rent owed to the Water Authority or the cost to purchase Water Authority property from that agency in order to be included in a sale to the developers. You keep bringing up the enhancement of the infrastructure but as Day indicated, the new stadium would be smaller than the current stadium. 70k down to 65k. As noted, maybe that sale of 75 acres will be to SDSU. Will you bitch about this if that's the case? Ya act like this is coming out of your moth encrusted wallet. I am not going to waste my time with you today ... you have a very small knowledge base to draw from and I don't see any upside in responding to your assertions beyond this reply: An infrastructure enhancement zone is not a building enhancement for the Q ... it is a type of limited agency that acts for a specific period of time and for a specific purpose like the old redevelopment agency did to capture tax revenue and other fees to fund the construction of freeway ramps, street improvements and other items that have not been identified in the CSAG proposal.
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Post by Deleted on May 18, 2015 13:37:40 GMT -8
If you can't see the obvious differences between Viejas and a shared stadium with the Chargers I can't help you. It's clear you have a personal stake in the matter driving your opinion anyway. You don't seem to be evaluating much, just rushing to defend a proposal that was released not but an hour ago. and you've rushed to criticize it. Sorry junior, I don't know how many f'ing times I've said I don't want the Chargers to move out of town. What part of that don't you get? That's my ONLY agenda. I've been a fan since they first moved to S.Diego. I'm not like people your age who dump teams just because they don't win enough. Your obvious is obvious only to you. Quit thinking like a Cowtown goat roper and start realizing that the door is open to State. They can buy the acreage that the City will sell if they so choose. The team can play in a NEW NFL Stadium or they can build their own. Options are plentiful for State and everybody can be "happy" except for some on here, like you, who just don't get the big picture. By the way how much are you going to donate to help State? Actually I did not do that. I simply pointed out that paying more for Aztec BB season tickets is not the same as the school having to pay more rent to stay in whatever replaces the Q...as you claimed. Also you are painting me with a pretty broad brush in your rush to defend. I actually want the Chargers to STAY. I just don't understand flawed logic from people who claim to support Aztec football. Then again you've already said you MO is to keep the chargers in town...I guess that's where your interest begins and ends...mine extends to the Aztec Athletic Department, being a former SDSU athlete and all.
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Post by ab on May 18, 2015 13:42:31 GMT -8
You keep bringing up the enhancement of the infrastructure but as Day indicated, the new stadium would be smaller than the current stadium. 70k down to 65k. As noted, maybe that sale of 75 acres will be to SDSU. Will you bitch about this if that's the case? Ya act like this is coming out of your moth encrusted wallet. I am not going to waste my time with you today ... you have a very small knowledge base to draw from and I don't see any upside in responding to your assertions beyond this reply: An infrastructure enhancement zone is not a building enhancement for the Q ... it is a type of limited agency that acts for a specific period of time and for a specific purpose like the old redevelopment agency did to capture tax revenue and other fees to fund the construction of freeway ramps, street improvements and other items that have not been identified in the CSAG proposal. Ha-Ha- You keep posting the same negative nonsense over and over and over just proving your quote applies to you. The only thing you keep posting is "why it can't happen". You're just like the Cowtown mental midgets that operated in the Athletic Dept at State for years. Instead of saying why can't something get done, why not figure out a way to make it happen? You're nothing but a blowhard who likes to hear himself say the SOS over and over. Don't you have anything productive to do in your life? Sorry sad little man.
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Post by Deleted on May 18, 2015 13:43:38 GMT -8
AB sure loves to drop ad hominem jabs in his comments...pretty sad.
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Post by ab on May 18, 2015 13:44:14 GMT -8
Not really. Why? It's all money. It's all entertainment. Comments like this demonstrate your lack of emotional connection to the school (your Alma Mater?) You were never a Charger...but your an Aztec for life... college sports offer a connection that no pro sports team will ever be able to provide...unless you have no connection to the school. That's cute!
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Post by AccessBowlTime on May 18, 2015 13:46:06 GMT -8
Dean Spanos stepping down so he will be focusing on the stadium issue. I take this as a good thing as far as getting the stadium deal done. Fabiani released a very concise statement saying that their experts and lawyers will be looking at the proposal very closely. To my surprise, he didn't shoot it down. No surprise on Fabiani to me. He hasn't said any negative comments about S.D in over a month He's welcomed further conversations and working with the lawyers/stadium folk that the City/County has hired. Whether his demeanor change has been by his own decision or by Spanos, shows that they haven't reserved the moving vans, let alone loaded them up. The reason I'm not surprised he didn't shoot it down is because the citizens have been resolute in not kowtowing down to the Chargers so in combination with the NFL applying pressure about finalizing a stadium deal for L.A., the Chargers have a lot less leverage than they did before. No matter what they might say, they aren't serious about trying to move to Carson. You know it, I know it and the vast majority of those following along know it. So their back is against the wall and it can be expected they'll now make what can be considered a counter-proposal to what's in the CSAG recommendation. It can also be expected that a major part of it will be saying there's no way they can put $300M into the deal. Just watch. They'll offer something like going up to $230M or so and say that's their bottom line which will put the ball back in the mayor's court.
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Post by Deleted on May 18, 2015 13:47:04 GMT -8
Comments like this demonstrate your lack of emotional connection to the school (your Alma Mater?) You were never a Charger...but your an Aztec for life... college sports offer a connection that no pro sports team will ever be able to provide...unless you have no connection to the school. That's cute! ok, thanks for stalking
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Post by ab on May 18, 2015 13:48:44 GMT -8
and you've rushed to criticize it. Sorry junior, I don't know how many f'ing times I've said I don't want the Chargers to move out of town. What part of that don't you get? That's my ONLY agenda. I've been a fan since they first moved to S.Diego. I'm not like people your age who dump teams just because they don't win enough. Your obvious is obvious only to you. Quit thinking like a Cowtown goat roper and start realizing that the door is open to State. They can buy the acreage that the City will sell if they so choose. The team can play in a NEW NFL Stadium or they can build their own. Options are plentiful for State and everybody can be "happy" except for some on here, like you, who just don't get the big picture. By the way how much are you going to donate to help State? Actually I did not do that. I simply pointed out that paying more for Aztec BB season tickets is not the same as the school having to pay more rent to stay in whatever replaces the Q...as you claimed. Also you are painting me with a pretty broad brush in your rush to defend. I actually want the Chargers to STAY. I just don't understand flawed logic from people who claim to support Aztec football. Then again you've already said you MO is to keep the chargers in town...I guess that's where your interest begins and ends...mine extends to the Aztec Athletic Department, being a former SDSU athlete and all. Can you read? I've been plenty clear. How sad is it that I have to repeat myself to YOU over and over and over because you choose to only read what you want to read? I've done far more for that school and athletic dept than you've ever thought of so if you really want to talk about my "mo" you had best know what it is. ReREAD the past post and as I've said over and over, State people should be overjoyed that they have options, ride the coattails of a new San Diego Stadium or build their own. Some seem to think they have the $ or can raise the $ so how much are you going to kick in?
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Post by ab on May 18, 2015 13:51:18 GMT -8
No surprise on Fabiani to me. He hasn't said any negative comments about S.D in over a month He's welcomed further conversations and working with the lawyers/stadium folk that the City/County has hired. Whether his demeanor change has been by his own decision or by Spanos, shows that they haven't reserved the moving vans, let alone loaded them up. The reason I'm not surprised he didn't shoot it down is because the citizens have been resolute in not kowtowing down to the Chargers so in combination with the NFL applying pressure about finalizing a stadium deal for L.A., the Chargers have a lot less leverage than they did before. No matter what they might say, they aren't serious about trying to move to Carson. You know it, I know it and the vast majority of those following along know it. So their back is against the wall and it can be expected they'll now make what can be considered a counter-proposal to what's in the CSAG recommendation. It can also be expected that a major part of it is saying there's no way they can put $300M into the deal. Just watch. They'll offer something like going up to $230M or so and say that's their bottom line which will put the ball back in the mayor's court. Let's see what happens. No doubt the Chargers will have some objections but let's wait and see what they are. FWIW- Most recent NFL rumor is that Kronke sells the Rams, they stay in St Louis, and he buys the Raiders, and moves them to Inglewood.
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Post by aztecbolt on May 18, 2015 13:52:40 GMT -8
Dean Spanos stepping down so he will be focusing on the stadium issue. Fabiani released a very concise statement saying that their experts and lawyers will be looking at the proposal very closely. To my surprise, he didn't shoot it down. Why? he got what he wanted; A concrete proposal. Call me nutty, but I don't think downtown is completely off the table. The convis IDIOTS!™ have completely bollixed their "contiguous" wet dream and may well be coming back to earth. There's another set of billionaires down there that need their bread buttered too. How much they're willing to pony up will be the question. People need to drop downtown. There's no time to go back to downtown and the Chargers never said that they prefer downtown. Fabiani once said that he thought downtown was more doable due to their "extensive research" but IMO this was just more posturing.
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Post by Deleted on May 18, 2015 13:53:00 GMT -8
Not really. Why? It's all money. It's all entertainment. Comments like this demonstrate your lack of emotional connection to the school (your Alma Mater?) You were never a Charger...but your an Aztec for life... college sports offer a connection that no pro sports team will ever be able to provide...unless you have no connection to the school. Dennis Shaw threw the fist aztec pass I ever witnessed in person? you? Steve Copp hit the 1st jump shot I ever witnessed in person. you? Honestly, how freaking hard is it to grasp that one can be a Charger and Aztecs fan? Is there some sort of purity test I need to go through?
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Post by buckeyedad on May 18, 2015 13:56:21 GMT -8
Well, so much for coming to this site to get some thoughtful feedback and ideas from people who have an SDSU bias.
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Post by rebar619 on May 18, 2015 13:57:47 GMT -8
"[The] financing plan, created by Mayor Kevin Faulconer’s stadium task force, includes $200 million from the NFL, $300 million from the Chargers and another $300 million in rent payments from the team over the next 30 years — $10 million per year." There is so much wrong with this plan I don't know where to begin -- but the things that stand out for me: How similar this is to the Petco deal in that the General Fund will be used both to guarantee the bonds and to backstop shortfalls in revenue (this time for much more than $275M). The Sale of 75 acres for $225M to developers based on the preposition of relaxed zoning seems problematic as well as the creation of an infrastructure enhancement zone to capture additional taxes to pay for highway and street improvements that have not been included in this estimate. They are trying to avoid a public vote by trying to keep the sale below 80 acres ... not sure that will be successful. I see they did not include the repayment costs of the present stadium bond obligations and back rent owed to the Water Authority or the cost to purchase Water Authority property from that agency in order to be included in a sale to the developers. So I have to ask, and do so in good faith, what is your background that you feel you can speak on this as an expert? I am honestly not trolling, just want to have context on your comments.
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Post by Deleted on May 18, 2015 13:58:17 GMT -8
Actually I did not do that. I simply pointed out that paying more for Aztec BB season tickets is not the same as the school having to pay more rent to stay in whatever replaces the Q...as you claimed. Also you are painting me with a pretty broad brush in your rush to defend. I actually want the Chargers to STAY. I just don't understand flawed logic from people who claim to support Aztec football. Then again you've already said you MO is to keep the chargers in town...I guess that's where your interest begins and ends...mine extends to the Aztec Athletic Department, being a former SDSU athlete and all. Can you read? I've been plenty clear. How sad is it that I have to repeat myself to YOU over and over and over because you choose to only read what you want to read? I've done far more for that school and athletic dept than you've ever thought of so if you really want to talk about my "mo" you had best know what it is. ReREAD the past post and as I've said over and over, State people should be overjoyed that they have options, ride the coattails of a new San Diego Stadium or build their own. Some seem to think they have the $ or can raise the $ so how much are you going to kick in? Tell me. What does, "Sorry junior, I don't know how many f'ing times I've said I don't want the Chargers to move out of town. What part of that don't you get? That's my ONLY agenda."Your words seem to mean something other than what you intended. Stop getting so bent out of shape about it. You think giving money in the past buys you the ability to do whatever you want? I'm glad you keep talking about how much you USED to give, shows what kind of person you are.
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Post by HighNTight on May 18, 2015 13:58:19 GMT -8
No surprise on Fabiani to me. He hasn't said any negative comments about S.D in over a month He's welcomed further conversations and working with the lawyers/stadium folk that the City/County has hired. Whether his demeanor change has been by his own decision or by Spanos, shows that they haven't reserved the moving vans, let alone loaded them up. The reason I'm not surprised he didn't shoot it down is because the citizens have been resolute in not kowtowing down to the Chargers so in combination with the NFL applying pressure about finalizing a stadium deal for L.A., the Chargers have a lot less leverage than they did before. No matter what they might say, they aren't serious about trying to move to Carson. You know it, I know it and the vast majority of those following along know it. So their back is against the wall and it can be expected they'll now make what can be considered a counter-proposal to what's in the CSAG recommendation. It can also be expected that a major part of it is saying there's no way they can put $300M into the deal. Just watch. They'll offer something like going up to $230M or so and say that's their bottom line which will put the ball back in the mayor's court.Yeah, I expect the Chargers to push back on the $300M contribution, the $10M/yr for rent on a 30 Yr lease with an attached agreement saying they can't relocate either. The counter proposal will be for something like a $225M, $5M/yr for rent on a 15 year lease -- the final agreement will be $250M, $7.5M/yr for 20 yrs (roughly $400M Charger investment)
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Post by Deleted on May 18, 2015 14:01:20 GMT -8
Comments like this demonstrate your lack of emotional connection to the school (your Alma Mater?) You were never a Charger...but your an Aztec for life... college sports offer a connection that no pro sports team will ever be able to provide...unless you have no connection to the school. Dennis Shaw threw the fist aztec pass I ever witnessed in person? you? Steve Copp hit the 1st jump shot I ever witnessed in person. you? Honestly, how freaking hard is it to grasp that one can be a Charger and Aztecs fan? Is there some sort of purity test I need to go through? Did you not attend the school? I mean that's the crux of my point. If you didn't your position is very easy to understand. Get it? Im from San Diego, Chargers are my earliest memory of sports or fandom. I'm just a kid to you older guys even though I'm in my early 30's. I think the only reason you guys are so worked up is you buy or used to buy charger tickets and like pro ball more than college. There is nothing wrong with that, just don't pretend you are as much an Aztec fan as you are a Charger fan...it just doesnt ring true.
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