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Post by fisherville on May 7, 2015 19:53:21 GMT -8
Luckily-----NOT ONE WORD in this form is used by the staff in thier efforts for the team. All the ARM CHAIR FREE COACHING advise here is purely masturbatory. You add nothing to this forum, stop posting. There is nothing wrong with people having opinions.
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Post by laaztec on May 7, 2015 20:09:01 GMT -8
Anyone the Coaching Staff wants I want.
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Post by Fishn'Aztec on May 8, 2015 4:51:30 GMT -8
Luckily-----NOT ONE WORD in this form is used by the staff in thier efforts for the team. All the ARM CHAIR FREE COACHING advise here is purely masturbatory. Use your spell checker!
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Post by standiego on May 8, 2015 9:05:37 GMT -8
Every one is a shooter , but if you listen to Coach Fisher the team needs Scorers , guys that can score the basketball from three point land or slam dunk the basketball . Key is putting points on the board on as many possessions that you have . Max was 10 th man at IU , only made 4 threes the whole conference season . Went 10 games with out making one . Did Max score 77 points all year , 19 in their first OOC game,against a lower level opponent , then 58 points in the remaining 30 games ? . IU averages close to 80 points a game , he averaged 2 . I do not see him the needed scorer . IU was up to 14 scholarships . Guess he was closer to the end of the bench then starting . If Their coach had thought he was a scorer he would have tried harder to keep him .as his job is on the line . Max wants to find a school closer to home in CA and wants PT.
We have 8 scholarships for 2016. I think you add quality guys first, guys you see as starters . Cage , or another C/PF , a guard and a starting SF. Not role players. IMO that is what Max is . I think we have improved as a program and can be more selective recruiting for 2016. and use scholarships for those players then add reserves at the end , not now for 2016 .
Max is a SF . IMO there are better ones out there for 2016 Bailey , Aaron .... . If the coaches think there is a void at SF when they finish recruiting for 2016 , and have the scholarships then add a grad transfer after the 2015-16 season, we know the market has numerous guys available so add one then but we need to have scholarships available to do that.
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Post by ignoranus on May 8, 2015 9:18:03 GMT -8
Max should stop by USD while he is in San Diego. Might be the better fit for PT.
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Post by sdcoug on May 8, 2015 9:37:23 GMT -8
Every one is a shooter , but if you listen to Coach Fisher the team needs Scorers , guys that can score the basketball from three point land or slam dunk the basketball . Key is putting points on the board on as many possessions that you have . Max was 10 th man at IU , only made 4 threes the whole conference season . Went 10 games with out making one . Did Max score 77 points all year , 19 in their first OOC game,against a lower level opponent , then 58 points in the remaining 30 games ? . IU averages close to 80 points a game , he averaged 2 . I do not see him the needed scorer . IU was up to 14 scholarships . Guess he was closer to the end of the bench then starting . If Their coach had thought he was a scorer he would have tried harder to keep him .as his job is on the line . Max wants to find a school closer to home in CA and wants PT. We have 8 scholarships for 2016. I think you add quality guys first, guys you see as starters . Cage , or another C/PF , a guard and a starting SF. Not role players. IMO that is what Max is . I think we have improved as a program and can be more selective recruiting for 2016. and use scholarships for those players then add reserves at the end , not now for 2016 . Max is a SF . IMO there are better ones out there for 2016 Bailey , Aaron .... . If the coaches think there is a void at SF when they finish recruiting for 2016 , and have the scholarships then add a grad transfer after the 2015-16 season, we know the market has numerous guys available so add one then but we need to have scholarships available to do that. So your conclusion is a players FR season defines his future; if he doesn't score as a FR he never will; if he plays behind a very good player as a FR he'll never play; if you can handle the ball and shoot 3's effectively you are not a scorer; and a guy who was in the rotation as a FR would fall to the end of the bench the next year.
You're saying DA should transfer as well, since he doesn't fill any of the qualities you're looking for.
Got it.
Luckily it's the coaches doing the evaluating, but maybe they've just decided to waste some recruiting dollars.
PS. No, not everyone is a shooter. Some players have good strokes; others don't. Shooters, at least on our team, are rare.
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Post by fisherville on May 8, 2015 9:41:03 GMT -8
Max should stop by USD while he is in San Diego. Might be the better fit for PT. he's way too good for usd
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Post by thepapacy on May 8, 2015 9:51:21 GMT -8
Max should stop by USD while he is in San Diego. Might be the better fit for PT. he's way too good for usd Would have been the second or third option for them this year. With the new staff over there I'd imagine they'll start getting players of his quality - good but not great. I don't know why this kid has become so polarizing...? If the staff wants to bring him in and there is mutual interest, great. If not, great. I personally don't see where he would get big minutes on a really good team, but that is why they don't pay me to recruit or evaluate talent.
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Post by standiego on May 8, 2015 10:54:38 GMT -8
The new USD coach , former coach with the Lobos , is getting guys from Texas his home state . Signed a couple of guys . So they could be improving .
Any one can shoot a basketball . But not every one can score consistently . Even if you have a great stroke .
My basic thought is we are a quality program . We have 8 guys on scholarship for 2016 (after Narain signs ) . IMO you first add the quality players ,possible starters (within two years) , then add the role players .
I think there are better SF out there then Max , that can be signed by either Nov 2015 for 2016 or even add a grad transfer after the season for 2016 . There is no rush to add a role player for 2016 , the focus should be on trying to sign Cage and ...that project to be starters . We have about 3 or 4 scholarships to still use for 2016 ( IMO you save at least 1 or 2 of the 13 ,for other possible transfers) so use them wisely they go quickly .
Max was recruited as a scorer , he was not that great . plus not known for defense. just guess we can recruit a better SF. I never brought up D. Allen . Allen was brought in to score going to the basket, Shrigley was the "scorer" as a red shirt freshman, but even more important Allen was noted for being a very good defender . By the way Allen scored as many points as Max did his freshman year . both about 75 and on an Aztec team that did not score that many points, as we valued defensive play. IU was a team that was noted for offense about 80 points a game , Max about 2 a game. Shrigley added 188 points his first year . Allen 73 .. I believe Allen is a good player am very happy that he is staying and value his contribution on both ends of the court .
Max could become a decent player , but do not believe there is the important need to offer him a scholarship now .Quality of scholarships over filling the roster .
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Post by Gundo on May 8, 2015 16:39:57 GMT -8
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Post by Gundo on May 8, 2015 16:50:57 GMT -8
First Stop SDSU, what other stops are there?
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Post by sdcoug on May 8, 2015 16:56:29 GMT -8
Good news. Hopefully we can pull him in, but I'd still have to put UO & UW as the frontrunners, wouldn't you? Will be interesting.
Re: Hoetzel, hopefully his visit goes well. Nice to have options. Didn't I read he was looking at 3 schools as well - thought 1 or 2 were in the Midwest?
Would love Aaron, but would be happy with Hoetzel. Both will contribute.
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Post by aztech on May 8, 2015 17:30:23 GMT -8
Good news. Hopefully we can pull him in, but I'd still have to put UO & UW as the frontrunners, wouldn't you? Will be interesting.
Re: Hoetzel, hopefully his visit goes well. Nice to have options. Didn't I read he was looking at 3 schools as well - thought 1 or 2 were in the Midwest?
Would love Aaron, but would be happy with Hoetzel. Both will contribute.
IMO if we didn't have the JAM center we wouldn't have a prayer. Now that we do....
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Post by pbbroker on May 8, 2015 21:18:43 GMT -8
Luckily-----NOT ONE WORD in this form is used by the staff in thier efforts for the team. All the ARM CHAIR FREE COACHING advise here is purely masturbatory. You add nothing to this forum, stop posting. There is nothing wrong with people having opinions. You are in violation of the terms and conditions of aztec Mesa take it easy sour grapes
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Post by pbbroker on May 8, 2015 21:19:23 GMT -8
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Post by sdsu2000 on May 9, 2015 4:22:08 GMT -8
First Stop SDSU, what other stops are there? The only schools I've seen listed are SDSU, UNLV and Rice.
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Post by standiego on May 9, 2015 7:26:48 GMT -8
The article mentions the 'UCS' team in no longer in the mix , any relation to USC ? Also IMO Max could be a shooter but not the Scorer , Aztecs need . Very poor results during BIG conference play at IU .30 points in 18 games conference play . Last year he had 19 points in their first OOC game against lower competition , then 56 in the remaining 30 games he played in.IU averaged almost 80 points per game , Max about 2. IU was up to 15 scholarship players so first one guy is leaving, now Max - to get PT closer to his family in CA . Believe Aaron , Bailey or others would be a better choice for a SF then Max . If the coaches can not sign Aaron then would hold off on Max. Bailey is the first choice but not sure if we are still high on his list .
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Post by fisherville on May 9, 2015 7:34:51 GMT -8
Plenty of players don't play much as freshman, Max didn't play much on a team loaded with offensive talent and shooting. Do not read too much info that.
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Post by sdcoug on May 10, 2015 9:21:29 GMT -8
The article mentions the 'UCS' team in no longer in the mix , any relation to USC ? Also IMO Max could be a shooter but not the Scorer , Aztecs need . Very poor results during BIG conference play at IU .30 points in 18 games conference play . Last year he had 19 points in their first OOC game against lower competition , then 56 in the remaining 30 games he played in.IU averaged almost 80 points per game , Max about 2. IU was up to 15 scholarship players so first one guy is leaving, now Max - to get PT closer to his family in CA . Believe Aaron , Bailey or others would be a better choice for a SF then Max . If the coaches can not sign Aaron then would hold off on Max. Bailey is the first choice but not sure if we are still high on his list . How many points did Aaron score as a freshman? Based on your "Max didn't score as a Fr. why is Aaron a scorer but Max isnt? FR Year doesn't dictate a career nor their abilities to score.
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Post by standiego on May 10, 2015 10:54:21 GMT -8
Right now priorities would include , verify what year Narain is going to come in , then see where we are with Cage , if not Cage then Kone or maybe both , Bailey - any chance we are still in the running , if not then Aaron - Just see so much more upside in a variety of skills and higher potential for Aaron then Max, or even hold on to the scholarship to see if there is a better transfer for 2016. Also a guard be it Cyrus or Moore . Do not go over 12 scholarships or even stay at 11 ,to see what happens . IMO Aaron , can score , rebound , pass , contribute in a variety of ways ,similar to Lo Wade, IMO better then Max , who seems to be more one dimensional, a shooter . Aaron was going to go back to the Cardinals , but they went out and recruited Lee , so he decided he was going to leave , but if we are taking a flyer or him vs Max , say it would be worth it to try it on Aaron ,who if he can get back to his HS potential could be a very good player. Believe we were looking for a player that would replace Smith , to me that is Bailey or Aaron . SF/SG
Will see we what the coaches think , as they are the only ones that count . Believe Aaron is also visiting Oregon and Washington. Max UNLV and Rice .
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