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Post by craztec on Apr 20, 2015 21:31:25 GMT -8
Q is downright terrible for a college gameday atmosphere period. One of the worst in the nation for FBS. Anyone (afan) who argues otherwise simply has no clue.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 20, 2015 21:36:47 GMT -8
I am not anti- Charger but I question whether The Chargers/City of San Diego are really concerned about creating a great College experience in a new ProStadium and if they are concerned is this even possible ? If not I would rather see The Chargers in LA and The Aztecs get a new great College Stadium. Yes. It's possible. The question is; are the relative differences between the "needs" of a college team and the "needs" of an NFL team worth the 100's of millions of dollars that would be required to build a second stadium?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 20, 2015 21:44:45 GMT -8
Q is downright terrible for a college gameday atmosphere period. One of the worst in the nation for FBS. Anyone (afan) who argues otherwise simply has no clue. Game NIGHT. And yous opinion is yours. Mine is mine. I think it's just fine. The sad fact is that IMO, what it really comes down to for most of you is how it looks on the TEEVEE. Since I'm...you know.... AT the games, how it looks on the TEEVEE means very little to me. I go to the game. I have a few beers and maybe a sammich in the parking lot with my friends, we go in and watch the game. We have a good time, win or lose.
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Post by SDSU-Alum2003 on Apr 20, 2015 22:21:48 GMT -8
I am not anti- Charger but I question whether The Chargers/City of San Diego are really concerned about creating a great College experience in a new ProStadium and if they are concerned is this even possible ? If not I would rather see The Chargers in LA and The Aztecs get a new great College Stadium. Yes. It's possible. The question is; are the relative differences between the "needs" of a college team and the "needs" of an NFL team worth the 100's of millions of dollars that would be required to build a second stadium? Only one stadium will be built. The only question is will it be for the Chargers & AZTECS or just the AZTECS & possibly a MLS team? Best case scenario is the Chargers leave town & the AZTECS partner with MLS along with West Campus expansion for a stadium.
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Post by hoobs on Apr 21, 2015 2:34:25 GMT -8
You could be right ... I have no idea why the Chargers are complaining -- the Q is an absolute g-e-m and all this talk about needing a new stadium is totally ri-dic-u-lous! The Q is a comparative crap hole in relation to the NFL state of the art. It needs to be replaced. That does not obviate the fact that it's a pretty damn good college stadium. This is so laughable, all I can do is think that you're going to finally turn around and admit that you're being totally ironic & sarcastic with these comments. Sadly, I don't think that's the case.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 21, 2015 4:25:06 GMT -8
Yes. It's possible. The question is; are the relative differences between the "needs" of a college team and the "needs" of an NFL team worth the 100's of millions of dollars that would be required to build a second stadium? Only one stadium will be built. The only question is will it be for the Chargers & AZTECS or just the AZTECS & possibly a MLS team? Best case scenario is the Chargers leave town & the AZTECS partner with MLS along with West Campus expansion for a stadium. 1 stadium for the Chargers and Aztecs will be built or no stadium will be built and the Aztecs will continue to play at the Q until they drop football, West campus will occur at about the same time aliens land a space ship filled with Unicorns and Leprechauns on the White House lawn and we all learn that Frosted Lucky Charms is people.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 21, 2015 4:28:20 GMT -8
The Q is a comparative crap hole in relation to the NFL state of the art. It needs to be replaced. That does not obviate the fact that it's a pretty damn good college stadium. This is so laughable, all I can do is think that you're going to finally turn around and admit that you're being totally ironic & sarcastic with these comments. Sadly, I don't think that's the case. Don't feel sad. Others can hold opinions that differ from yours yet the earth continues to circle the sun. It's really not that big of a deal.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 21, 2015 6:54:14 GMT -8
This is so laughable, all I can do is think that you're going to finally turn around and admit that you're being totally ironic & sarcastic with these comments. Sadly, I don't think that's the case. Don't feel sad. Others can hold opinions that differ from yours yet the earth continues to circle the sun. It's really not that big of a deal. Is it also your opinion that the moon is made of Swiss cheese? In the modern era, since the Q has been expanded, what aztec game have you been to with a legit college game atmosphere? By the way my season tix are in P36(where are yours, same seats for all 25 seasons?), they are so far away from the field my dad and I both use binoculars. The Q is a horrible setup and the only ones pretending that isn't true are only trying to prove a point and don't actually believe the dribble coming out of their own mouth.
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Post by craztec on Apr 21, 2015 7:00:24 GMT -8
Q is downright terrible for a college gameday atmosphere period. One of the worst in the nation for FBS. Anyone (afan) who argues otherwise simply has no clue. Game NIGHT. And yous opinion is yours. Mine is mine. I think it's just fine. The sad fact is that IMO, what it really comes down to for most of you is how it looks on the TEEVEE. Since I'm...you know.... AT the games, how it looks on the TEEVEE means very little to me. I go to the game. I have a few beers and maybe a sammich in the parking lot with my friends, we go in and watch the game. We have a good time, win or lose. I'm just going to assume you've never experienced a game in a true college football atmosphere, or you are just a complete moron. Since you're here arguing with EVERYONE else on the matter, I'm going to say it's both. Reminds me of the old poker adage: "If, after the first 20 minutes, you don't know who the sucker at the table is, it's you."
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Post by myownwords on Apr 21, 2015 7:42:53 GMT -8
Don't feel sad. Others can hold opinions that differ from yours yet the earth continues to circle the sun. It's really not that big of a deal. Is it also your opinion that the moon is mad of Swiss cheese? In the modern era, since the Q has been expanded, what aztec game have you been to with a legit college game atmosphere? By the way my season tix are in P36(where are yours, same seats for all 25 seasons?), they are so far away from the field my dad and I both use binoculars. The Q is a horrible setup and the only ones pretending that isn't true are only trying to prove a point and don't actualky believe the dribble coming out of their own mouth. Perhaps you were not fortunate enough to go to the Miami or USC games. Perhaps didn't see Marshall Faulk run through and around teams. The crowds were big and electric. The win over Navy in the Poinsettia Bowl in Hoke's last game had a very obvious "college game atmosphere". Sadly, since then there has been slow deflation out that CGA balloon.
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Post by gigglyforshrigley on Apr 21, 2015 7:51:08 GMT -8
Is it also your opinion that the moon is mad of Swiss cheese? In the modern era, since the Q has been expanded, what aztec game have you been to with a legit college game atmosphere? By the way my season tix are in P36(where are yours, same seats for all 25 seasons?), they are so far away from the field my dad and I both use binoculars. The Q is a horrible setup and the only ones pretending that isn't true are only trying to prove a point and don't actualky believe the dribble coming out of their own mouth. Perhaps you were not fortunate enough to go to the Miami or USC games. Perhaps didn't see Marshall Faulk run through and around teams. The crowds were big and electric. The win over Navy in the Poinsettia Bowl in Hoke's last game had a very obvious "college game atmosphere". Sadly, since then there has been slow deflation out that CGA balloon. Even some of those Ronnie Hillman games were a ton of fun to go to... We had a two different games that year with over 50k fans, the WSU game (yes it was the skyshow) and I think it was the BSU game. If we can get people in the seats, the Q is fine. We just need to win so more people will come We need to concentrate on winning games, and then other things will work itself out, such as the atmosphere. You can't focus on atmosphere if your team isn't winning, because people won't show up regardless
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Post by Deleted on Apr 21, 2015 7:51:33 GMT -8
Game NIGHT. And yous opinion is yours. Mine is mine. I think it's just fine. The sad fact is that IMO, what it really comes down to for most of you is how it looks on the TEEVEE. Since I'm...you know.... AT the games, how it looks on the TEEVEE means very little to me. I go to the game. I have a few beers and maybe a sammich in the parking lot with my friends, we go in and watch the game. We have a good time, win or lose. I'm just going to assume you've never experienced a game in a true college football atmosphere, or you are just a complete moron. Since you're here arguing with EVERYONE else on the matter, I'm going to say it's both. Reminds me of the old poker adage: "If, after the first 20 minutes, you don't know who the sucker at the table is, it's you." What is with the posters on this board that they cannot brook dissent or differences of opinion without rancor and insult? You're free to assume whatever you wish. I happen to think, and not without evidence, that "atmosphere" has almost nothing to do with the building and almost everything to do with the people in it, or not in it as the case may be.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 21, 2015 8:00:25 GMT -8
Is it also your opinion that the moon is mad of Swiss cheese? In the modern era, since the Q has been expanded, what aztec game have you been to with a legit college game atmosphere? By the way my season tix are in P36(where are yours, same seats for all 25 seasons?), they are so far away from the field my dad and I both use binoculars. The Q is a horrible setup and the only ones pretending that isn't true are only trying to prove a point and don't actualky believe the dribble coming out of their own mouth. Perhaps you were not fortunate enough to go to the Miami or USC games. Perhaps didn't see Marshall Faulk run through and around teams. The crowds were big and electric. The win over Navy in the Poinsettia Bowl in Hoke's last game had a very obvious "college game atmosphere". Sadly, since then there has been slow deflation out that CGA balloon. Most of the games you mention are before the Q expansion. Ive been a season ticket holder since 2008(year after I finished school)...I attended the 2011 Wazzu game, which I think was the highest attended Ive been too. That game felt like it had a good atmosphere, but still doesnt change the fac tthat even the best seats in the house are still not good compared to just about any stadium. By the way I've been to most if not all PAC venues, so yes I'm a little spoiled. Only the coliseum felt as dead as the Q. I don't think you actually get what people mean when they are talking about atmosphere. Even when the Q is sold out, you could take the same number of fans, put them in a modern stadium, and you would be convinced 20k more fans were added. Proximity, closeness, energy, this is what people are referring to.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 21, 2015 8:06:05 GMT -8
I'm just going to assume you've never experienced a game in a true college football atmosphere, or you are just a complete moron. Since you're here arguing with EVERYONE else on the matter, I'm going to say it's both. Reminds me of the old poker adage: "If, after the first 20 minutes, you don't know who the sucker at the table is, it's you." What is with the posters on this board that they cannot brook dissent or differences of opinion without rancor and insult? You're free to assume whatever you wish. I happen to think, and not without evidence, that "atmosphere" has almost nothing to do with the building and almost everything to do with the people in it, or not in it as the case may be. The name callers are in the minority. Most of the those disagreeing with you have been plenty cordial.
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Post by HighNTight on Apr 21, 2015 8:22:59 GMT -8
Anyone who thinks the Q is fine for college have probably not been to many College Stadiums ... If your basis for comparison is a few of the older ones like the Rose Bowl, Coliseum or Memorial Stadium at Cal, then you have half an idea as to what the experience should be ... If you've been to Husky Stadium, Reser, Autzen or Sun Devil Stadium -- you have a much better idea of what it should be like.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 21, 2015 8:33:39 GMT -8
I recommend Oregon, Oregon st, ASU, and UW, to anyone who has only attended the Q. Oregon in particular is interesting. I went to a game there back when capacity was 41k....but you would've sworn they had 60 or 70k in the seats. That's the sort of thing we are missing out on big time.
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Post by gigglyforshrigley on Apr 21, 2015 8:40:33 GMT -8
That OSU pic looks awesome, I'd love to have that.
Comparing us to Pac12 schools is an unfair comparison, we realistically dont have the resources that those schools have. The Q obviously isn't as good as a new great stadium that the Pac12 schools have, but for the MWC I think it gets criticized more than it deserves
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Post by sdsudevil on Apr 21, 2015 8:41:12 GMT -8
I've been all over, and the only structure that was worse for COLLEGE football was the Metrodome for the Gophers. Terrible sight lines, flat lower bowl, student section's front row is 20 feet above the field, complete concrete lot (good for NFL, bad for families bringing their kids to watch their college team), off campus (not a lot we can do right now, but immediate loss in ties to campus), wrong colors, no permanent signage. And I have been to some very meh stadiums. No one expects a college stadium to have the bells and whistles of NFL (Ole Miss has bleachers in their end zone FFS), but Qualcomm isn't at an NFL level anymore either. I would capitulate that some recruits would indeed like to play in an NFL stadium, but would they when a G5 is attempting to put bodies in an outdated stadium two times too big for it? Luster would wear off if they were even playing in a good stadium. Qualcomm is not even good in that regard.
I think it is a stretch that we should use the Q as a selling point, let alone say it is the best in this already mediocre-facility conference. If we were to uproot MWC stadiums for Aztec use, keeping attendance the same, Qualcomm would be barely above Nevada's bleachers, in terms of the atmosphere it would create. Okay that may be a stretch, but not by much.
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Post by myownwords on Apr 21, 2015 8:53:27 GMT -8
Sorry guys, no matter how aggressive and innervated you feel about a new Aztec-only stadium, I just don't feel it. To me, THE problem, and our ONLY "lifeline" is winning, and winning impressively over dregs and more-often-than-not, actually beating "top" schools. Do that, and the crowds WILL come (to any stadium), the energy will come, and the "atmosphere", and the recognition, and rankings and recruits. They will all come. But to do all that, we'll need either new leadership, or some vast infusion of personality adjustments in those "leaders". Sterky and Hirshy are obviously very happy with our current drift.
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Post by missiontrails on Apr 21, 2015 8:58:27 GMT -8
I've been all over, and the only structure that was worse for COLLEGE football was the Metrodome for the Gophers. Terrible sight lines, flat lower bowl, student section's front row is 20 feet above the field, complete concrete lot (good for NFL, bad for families bringing their kids to watch their college team), off campus (not a lot we can do right now, but immediate loss in ties to campus), wrong colors, no permanent signage. And I have been to some very meh stadiums. No one expects a college stadium to have the bells and whistles of NFL (Ole Miss has bleachers in their end zone FFS), but Qualcomm isn't at an NFL level anymore either. I would capitulate that some recruits would indeed like to play in an NFL stadium, but would they when a G5 is attempting to put bodies in an outdated stadium two times too big for it? Luster would wear off if they were even playing in a good stadium. Qualcomm is not even good in that regard. I think it is a stretch that we should use the Q as a selling point, let alone say it is the best in this already mediocre-facility conference. If we were to uproot MWC stadiums for Aztec use, keeping attendance the same, Qualcomm would be barely above Nevada's bleachers, in terms of the atmosphere it would create. Okay that may be a stretch, but not by much. Completely concur on the Metrodome. I went there several years back for a Chargers/Vikes game and saw UofM/Illini the night before in the same stadium. The Vikings game wasn't a terrible experience considering all the hoopla that comes with the NFL, but the college game atmosphere the night before was terrible, especially when you consider it was a Big 10 league game. You forgot to also mention how small and cramped the seats were there. I did get to see Eric Decker play though, before he went on to NFL notoriety. You could tell he had talent as a G. Gopher, but I never would have guessed he'd make it in the NFL. The Q' = The Metrodome
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