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Post by longtimebooster on Apr 1, 2015 10:43:36 GMT -8
Probably not. Kawhi/Billy/Malcolm all played together at the height of their college careers. Zylan is going to be playing his first season of college basketball while Spencer will play his last. Could they be individually better? Maybe, but I don't think those 3 next year will be better than the forwards of '10/'11. I think some of us have forgotten how good that team was. I was thinking of the 10-11 team today. That team was awesome. That UCONN loss is still painful. If we didn't have T's called on us we probably would of won and maybe won it all that year (assuming we got past AZ). We would of beaten UK and Butler easy in the Final 4. Ugh. Fisher was on the radio with Dan Silio on Monday. Coach said that Duke was flat out better than SDSU and really the only way we were going to beat them is if they had an off night and we were on fire from the outside, maybe. Then he added that the one loss that forever eats at him was the UConn loss in the Tourney. Said Fish, "We were better than UConn. I believed that then, I believe that now." I concur. Painful indeed.
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Post by dtay2004 on Apr 1, 2015 10:53:46 GMT -8
If I were to compare the 2010 team vs 2016 team strictly on potential, I would side with next years team. Malik Pope has the kind of potential that I've never seen before at SDSU(im 29 if that means anything). As great as Kawhi Leonard was, he wasn't that great offensively. No where near the level of offensive talent Malik Pope has. Although Kawhi Leonard is a much better perimeter defender, I believe Malik will improve in this area next year. Should be able to move better on that leg now that he knows he can play on it. Malcolm Thomas was/is better in the post offensively then Skylar Spencer. Not much of a debate there. This is the wild card since we have absolutely no idea what Zylan can offer to the team offensively. Now the same can be said about Billy White because of his inconsistent play. Some games he looked unstoppable while other games I would forget he was on the court. The reason why I would the choose the potential of next years team compared to that 2011 team is because of the backcourt. I believe Winston Shepard and Jeremy Hemsley are just better overall players then DJ Gay and Chase Tapley. It's great to have potential but it means nothing if you don't live up to it so hopefully everybody can stay healthy next year and play up to their talent level. If Jeremy Hemsley just comes anywhere close to DJ Gay, I will be happy! I feel confident Jeremy Hemsley and Trey Kell will have have better Aztec careers then DJ Gay. Different types of talent.
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Post by goaztecs on Apr 1, 2015 12:45:40 GMT -8
I was thinking of the 10-11 team today. That team was awesome. That UCONN loss is still painful. If we didn't have T's called on us we probably would of won and maybe won it all that year (assuming we got past AZ). We would of beaten UK and Butler easy in the Final 4. Ugh. Fisher was on the radio with Dan Silio on Monday. Coach said that Duke was flat out better than SDSU and really the only way we were going to beat them is if they had an off night and we were on fire from the outside, maybe. Then he added that the one loss that forever eats at him was the UConn loss in the Tourney. Said Fish, "We were better than UConn. I believed that then, I believe that now." I concur. Painful indeed. We should of won it all that year. No question we were better than UConn. I bet if we played that UCONN team 10 times we would of won 8. Unfortunately we had two T's called on us and Tapley couldn't hit his open looks.
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Post by xohsxc on Apr 1, 2015 15:27:56 GMT -8
If Jeremy Hemsley just comes anywhere close to DJ Gay, I will be happy! I feel confident Jeremy Hemsley and Trey Kell will have have better Aztec careers then DJ Gay. Different types of talent. NO WAY! 2016 will not better than 2011. 34-3 says it all.
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Post by jdaztec on Apr 1, 2015 15:45:33 GMT -8
The T's and early fouls cost us The UConn Game. Without them we would have won by 5-7 points.
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Post by bschmurda on Apr 1, 2015 18:02:33 GMT -8
This place is stupid, its not even close
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Post by dtay2004 on Apr 1, 2015 19:47:11 GMT -8
I feel confident Jeremy Hemsley and Trey Kell will have have better Aztec careers then DJ Gay. Different types of talent. NO WAY! 2016 will not better than 2011. 34-3 says it all. I didn't say they would be better,, I said they would have more talent Sometimes the talent doesn't live up to their expectations...ask UNLV. It's getting to the point where the whole roster is filled with 4 star recruits. If you can get this 4 star recruits to stay for 2 to 3 years and allow them to develop, you can become a really dangerous team. So yeah the talent will be better then the 34-3 team, we'll see if the production is matched as well
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Post by miners22 on Apr 1, 2015 22:04:44 GMT -8
It is difficult enough for present and future Aztecs players to continue the winning tradition that was started by the trio of Thomas, White and Leonard.
There may never be a TRIO that can surpass what WTL accomplished in a couple of years on the Mesa! It is unfortunate that Spencer has not developed his game in three (3) years. He will play the same way next year like he played this past season. Cheatham has yet to play a College game and I am certain it will take some time for him to adjust. Pope has the potential, but the flaw I see in his game is that he does not play with a sense of "urgency!"
Moreover, White, Thomas and Leonard may be arguably the most versatile front-line to ever step foot on the Mesa. All three could crash the offensive/defensive boards, handle the ball, score on the low block, defend, good passers, athletic as heck and mentally tough!
The Aztecs would be better off going out and recruiting a BIG that can SCORE in the low post, REBOUND and DEFEND.
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Post by xohsxc on Apr 1, 2015 22:26:32 GMT -8
The Aztecs would be better off going out and recruiting a BIG that can SCORE in the low post, REBOUND and DEFEND.
Easy said than done. Those type of players are scooped up by the perennial powers.
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Post by The Honey Badger on Apr 3, 2015 10:36:15 GMT -8
It is difficult enough for present and future Aztecs players to continue the winning tradition that was started by the trio of Thomas, White and Leonard. There may never be a TRIO that can surpass what WTL accomplished in a couple of years on the Mesa! It is unfortunate that Spencer has not developed his game in three (3) years. He will play the same way next year like he played this past season. Cheatham has yet to play a College game and I am certain it will take some time for him to adjust. Pope has the potential, but the flaw I see in his game is that he does not play with a sense of "urgency!" Moreover, White, Thomas and Leonard may be arguably the most versatile front-line to ever step foot on the Mesa. All three could crash the offensive/defensive boards, handle the ball, score on the low block, defend, good passers, athletic as heck and mentally tough! The Aztecs would be better off going out and recruiting a BIG that can SCORE in the low post, REBOUND and DEFEND. Seriously, watching that trio of forwards plus a skilled backcourt of your son and Gay and then seeing JJ'Obrien, Shepard and a walk on trying to be the stars of the squad was like going out with Jessica Alba and then dating a disgusting Roseanne Barr.
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Post by aztech on Apr 3, 2015 11:05:40 GMT -8
It is difficult enough for present and future Aztecs players to continue the winning tradition that was started by the trio of Thomas, White and Leonard. There may never be a TRIO that can surpass what WTL accomplished in a couple of years on the Mesa! It is unfortunate that Spencer has not developed his game in three (3) years. He will play the same way next year like he played this past season. Cheatham has yet to play a College game and I am certain it will take some time for him to adjust. Pope has the potential, but the flaw I see in his game is that he does not play with a sense of "urgency!"
Moreover, White, Thomas and Leonard may be arguably the most versatile front-line to ever step foot on the Mesa. All three could crash the offensive/defensive boards, handle the ball, score on the low block, defend, good passers, athletic as heck and mentally tough! The Aztecs would be better off going out and recruiting a BIG that can SCORE in the low post, REBOUND and DEFEND. If Pope does return then I think there will be a turnaround in his game. He was basically still learning on the floor so that sense of urgency should be there as a soph. He'll be expected to be straw that stirs the drink. His presence around the basket should improve Spencer's offense as well. Pope is as good a passer as he is a shooter. Hopefully we won't see a steady diet of those inside passes below the knees of the bigs.
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Post by AztecBill on Apr 3, 2015 11:22:16 GMT -8
I was thinking of the 10-11 team today. That team was awesome. That UCONN loss is still painful. If we didn't have T's called on us we probably would of won and maybe won it all that year (assuming we got past AZ). We would of beaten UK and Butler easy in the Final 4. Ugh. Fisher was on the radio with Dan Silio on Monday. Coach said that Duke was flat out better than SDSU and really the only way we were going to beat them is if they had an off night and we were on fire from the outside, maybe. Then he added that the one loss that forever eats at him was the UConn loss in the Tourney. Said Fish, "We were better than UConn. I believed that then, I believe that now." I concur. Painful indeed. They had no one who could matchup with Kawhi. Their guards were to small/weak and their bigs too slow. Kawhi was working them in the first half until that stupid "T" that sat him on the bench.
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Post by azson on Apr 4, 2015 5:43:57 GMT -8
Fisher was on the radio with Dan Silio on Monday. Coach said that Duke was flat out better than SDSU and really the only way we were going to beat them is if they had an off night and we were on fire from the outside, maybe. Then he added that the one loss that forever eats at him was the UConn loss in the Tourney. Said Fish, "We were better than UConn. I believed that then, I believe that now." I concur. Painful indeed. They had no one who could matchup with Kawhi. Their guards were to small/weak and their bigs too slow. Kawhi was working them in the first half until that stupid "T" that sat him on the bench. Concur. Everyone remembers the Franklinstein bump, but I'd argue the T on KL was the real game-changer. We'd have been up 10+ when Flop Walker happened and have put the game away.
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Post by csfoster on Apr 4, 2015 7:22:17 GMT -8
If Jeremy Hemsley just comes anywhere close to DJ Gay, I will be happy! I feel confident Jeremy Hemsley and Trey Kell will have have better Aztec careers then DJ Gay. Different types of talent. Do better than the Sweet 16 and/or beat the 34-3 record, then they will have better Aztec careers than DJ Gay.
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Post by standiego on Apr 4, 2015 8:19:37 GMT -8
The group led by KW , MT, BW , CT, CT , had 5 quality players that new their roles for the most part . DJ got the ball to his mates who could score , or rebound , if not a real 3 point shooter or he could take the shot . Key to go deep in MM is good guard play and guys up front sharing the ball , but it starts with the guards .
Aztecs last year had average to below that- guard play , the converting of SG to PG's has not worked . Let TK go back to SG . Have the patience to develop JH and KZ in 2015-16 , they are PG's . Really take time to thoroughly analyze the athletic recruits that the coaches have brought in , develop them do not try to change what they bring to the program . Create an offense that works using their skills . It is a group of very quick guys that can get to the basket , let them play an up tempo style . There is no X factor or JJ style . for the offense . the coaches may need to adjust to the style of play of the players they recruited so well . Get them into more of a transitional ,up tempo offense , looking at pushing the outlet pass then going to the basket . the guards did not have great full court vision to do that last year or the offense tried to slow it up . We use a lot of energy on D , time to do that on offense also . We may need to use more reserves but so will the other team and we are going to have a strong bench ,use it 10 deep . We slow the play down on offense so the other team gets to "rest". It plays into their hands not our advantage. As of today MP is going to be the go to guy for a shot . How does he play at his best . If WS comes back , how are you going to get the most out of him - to me it is playing similar to BW , going and finishing at the basket with authority same with ZC , get them going to the basket most of the time ,with a few jumpers , but leave those shots to MP . DA is at his best going to the basket. Get SS really involved in the offense not just ball screen . Side note - can we play a little more zone , or some style where SS gets to hang in the middle not chase - he is too valuable in the middle on D to have him roam.. Offense needs to go back to inside first. Stop trying to be a set shooting team , other then MP . Have guards that move then penetrate JH , KZ even DW can do it. pass , move ..... Stop most of the dribbling and start to push movement and passing . Coaches have recruited those type of guys now make them winners.
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Post by dtay2004 on Apr 4, 2015 9:59:10 GMT -8
I feel confident Jeremy Hemsley and Trey Kell will have have better Aztec careers then DJ Gay. Different types of talent. Do better than the Sweet 16 and/or beat the 34-3 record, then they will have better Aztec careers than DJ Gay. Individual goals/stats and team goals/stats are two different things. I believe both Trey Kell and Jeremy Hemsley will be better basketball players then DJ Gay. That's it, that has nothing to do with how the team success will play out the next 3 years
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Post by Azthetic on Apr 4, 2015 10:21:35 GMT -8
I still don't understand how Billy gets such a raw deal here as being inconsistent and not showing up for periods of time.
He was sharing the front court with two absolute beasts.
They all sacrificed numbers to win.
Billy gave his all on D and his track back blocks changed momentum on many occasions.
Get off his back
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Post by AztecBill on Apr 4, 2015 10:29:37 GMT -8
Do better than the Sweet 16 and/or beat the 34-3 record, then they will have better Aztec careers than DJ Gay. Individual goals/stats and team goals/stats are two different things. I believe both Trey Kell and Jeremy Hemsley will be better basketball players then DJ Gay. That's it, that has nothing to do with how the team success will play out the next 3 years I will go further and say that those two will be a better backcourt than Gay/Tapley. Maybe not as sophomore/freshman but probably as sophomore/junior.
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Post by dtay2004 on Apr 4, 2015 10:46:06 GMT -8
Individual goals/stats and team goals/stats are two different things. I believe both Trey Kell and Jeremy Hemsley will be better basketball players then DJ Gay. That's it, that has nothing to do with how the team success will play out the next 3 years I will go further and say that those two will be a better backcourt than Gay/Tapley. Maybe not as sophomore/freshman but probably as sophomore/junior. I will say that as well and I think really really high of Chase Tapley. He was a baller. I just think Kell and Hemsley have much more talent. let's hope the potential gets played up to.
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Post by standiego on Apr 4, 2015 11:40:12 GMT -8
Believe most would concur move TK back to SG his natural position , have most of the PT with MS off the bench , although some are asking for a scoring SG to transfer in or is it a PG now . ( Do not see TK having the 3 point shot Tapley had but can drive for more shots - just needs to regain his confidence and FG% , ) After watching JH , believe he and KZ can handle the PG position . But as pointed out the tandem may not hit their stride for a couple of years. Front line still depends what WS decides he is going to do . If MP, SS , and WS there is a lot of versatility , if they work together , if not ZC would plug in . MP is a better shooter then the past group ( when KL was in college-he is far better now, plus D and of course rebounding is great ) , MT better on offense but SS better on D , WS if he is in focus to really hit the boards to score and rebound could be even better then BW , ZC is a freshman so not sure how quickly he can produce as a freshman . But a lot also depends on the style of offense the team plays , guard play and how well they can play as a unit , share the basketball or play for their own stats .
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