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Post by SDSU-Alum2003 on Apr 22, 2015 19:00:15 GMT -8
I love SDSU and think a west campus would be great, but the average San Diegan could care less if SDSU got that land to be honest (we on this board are a little bias I would say), if the Chargers leave, San Diegans will want to see the city get the most $$ out of that land they can, if SDSU can provide the biggest bang for San Diego's buck San Diegans will be for it, if not the the highest bidder will win the day (or perhaps we can make it a park like Donna Frye always envisioned). San Diego State University's impact on the state of California and the region of San Diego County is enormous and can't be understated. An expanded campus would only increase it's economic impact as well as allow SDSU to better serve the citizens and community of San Diego. A couple a facts for you to ponder... "SDSU's annual economic impact to the state of California is $6.5 billion. Of SDSU's 270,000-plus alumni, approximately 60 percent live in San Diego. They comprise more than half the region's engineers, teachers, entrepreneurs and the local workforce for a host of other industries." "Community Service: SDSU is a recognized leader in innovative efforts to improve urban K-12 education. The City Heights Educational Collaborative and the Compact for Success both positively impact the academic achievement of elementary, middle and high school students in the local area." "Since 2000, SDSU faculty and staff have attracted more than $1.5 billion in grants and contracts for research and programs ranging from cardiovascular disease to marine biology." newscenter.sdsu.edu/home/about.aspx"Annual spending related to San Diego State ($893 million) generates a total impact of $896 million on the regional economy, and more than $1.2 billion on the statewide economy. This impact sustains more than 9,000 jobs in the region and statewide more than 11,400 jobs. Per year, the impact generates more than $62 million in local and nearly $86.7 million in statewide tax revenue. Even greater—nearly $4.2 billion of the earnings by alumni from San Diego State are attributable to their CSU degrees, which creates an additional $6.5 billion of industry activity throughout the state." www.calstate.edu/impact/campus/sandiego.htmlSan Diego State University is the crown jewel of the CSU system. Bottom line; no developer can make better use of the Q site for the benefit of the city/county of San Diego than San Diego State University. And it isn't even close. PS. A San Diego River public research park would be included in an SDSU West Campus Expansion along with likely academic partnerships with UCSD, USD & the San Diego River Conservancy.
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Post by HighNTight on Apr 22, 2015 19:12:41 GMT -8
I love SDSU and think a west campus would be great, but the average San Diegan could care less if SDSU got that land to be honest (we on this board are a little bias I would say), if the Chargers leave, San Diegans will want to see the city get the most $$ out of that land they can, if SDSU can provide the biggest bang for San Diego's buck San Diegans will be for it, if not the the highest bidder will win the day (or perhaps we can make it a park like Donna Frye always envisioned).I guess the first thing you need to remember is that the City only owns half of the 160+ acres ... If you cut an inverted "V" into the property with the stadium inside the apex and the legs of the inverted "V" reaching to the the SE & SW corners of the lot -- everything outside of the inverted "V" is owned by the City, everything inside the inverted "V" (including the stadium) is on Water Dept. property. This means that the trolley station and stadium are on water dept property -- that property extends to the other side of the river and behind Lowe's and Ikea. The entire area is in a flood plain / mitigation zone so whatever happens with the property ... the Southern most 20 acres (following the path of the trolley) will be a park no matter what happens.The remaining 60 acres owned by the Water Dept contains the stadium down to the trolley tracks ... SDSU could deal directly with the Water Dept for the property and let the Water Dept keep the water rights. The city owes the Water Dept 10 years of back rent on that property. What would the Water Dept want for their 60 acres and stadium that the City has not paid them rent for? The City owned 80 acres in the Northeast and Northwest triangles of the property are worth $2M/acre. SDSU can work with the City on a deal for one or both pieces -- I am sure the City would be very agreeable as SDSU has an economic impact of $900M annually in San Diego (now) ... an expansion of the 300 acre campus by another 100 acres or more would benefit the City as much as it would SDSU. If that is not enough incentive ... The State could use eminent domain to obtain the property on behalf of the single campus that is responsible for 36% of the total economic impact of the whole 23 campus CSU-system (you know, for the public good). I am pretty sure there is plenty of incentive for the City to make a deal with SDSU for that property -- even something similar to what USC has worked out with the City of Los Angeles regarding the Coliseum.
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Post by myownwords on Apr 22, 2015 19:32:06 GMT -8
I think the two of you are missing fredgarvinmp's point, and my comments on this as well. Don't think anyone is arguing that SDSU is not good for San Diego. The point is that we believe--from personal experience---that very few people in SD County care one way or another, if SDSU buys the property. Neither---again opinion---are the taxpayers going to assist in anyway SDSU's acquisition. And SDSU is certainly not going to "take" it. None of this is about "worthiness", or "incentives", or even "right". Just reality.
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Post by HighNTight on Apr 22, 2015 19:42:47 GMT -8
I think the two of you are missing fredgarvinmp's point, and my comments on this as well. Don't think anyone is arguing that SDSU is not good for San Diego. The point is that we believe--from personal experience---that very few people in SD County care one way or another, if SDSU buys the property. Neither---again opinion---are the taxpayers going to assist in anyway SDSU's acquisition. And SDSU is certainly not going to "take" it. None of this is about "worthiness", or "incentives", or even "right". Just reality. That is the beauty of a transaction between two government agencies -- does not require a vote nor anyone to notice / care
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Post by SDSU-Alum2003 on Apr 23, 2015 8:37:19 GMT -8
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Post by Deleted on Apr 23, 2015 11:34:52 GMT -8
lol and then there is public sentiment... linkI bet a higher % of San Diegans would ok SDSU taking the Q site then would sign-off on giving the Chargers one red cent to build something new. I would bet you have a rather biased opinion in the situation. Not really, all you have to do is listen to people calling the radio stations or responding to the newspaper articles. San Diegans aren't interested in paying for the Chargers stadium, but don't seem to mind SDSU taking over the Q site, per the survey in my previous post. Do you think the poll is biased too?
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