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Post by HighNTight on Mar 27, 2015 10:58:01 GMT -8
Don't you get tired of being owned in thread after thread ... I believe it is you that should think twice before you post. Owned? I've proven that the Coach in Waiting bull$#!+ is nothing but that. Only 4 out of over 300 schools believe in it so if you're in agreement w/ the other psoter than you're as dumb as he/she is. Why don't you go back to your Monopoly game trying to figure out why the new stadium won't get built? yep POWNED ...
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Post by gigglyforshrigley on Mar 27, 2015 11:08:38 GMT -8
I think the school and fans are indebted to Fisher & Dutcher... not the other way around. What Dutcher has done here (with Fisher) has earned him the right to be our next head coach, and what Fisher has done has definitely given him the right to choose his partner in crime (of 25+ years) to be the head coach in waiting.
They basically own the basketball program
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Post by mySTRAS on Mar 27, 2015 11:17:17 GMT -8
I think the school and fans are indebted to Fisher & Dutcher... not the other way around. What Dutcher has done here (with Fisher) has earned him the right to be our next head coach, and what Fisher has done has definitely given him the right to choose his partner in crime (of 25+ years) to be the head coach in waiting. They basically own the basketball program This post should close out this thread... cannot possibly be stated more accurately!
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Post by sdsudevil on Mar 27, 2015 11:18:22 GMT -8
I think the school and fans are indebted to Fisher & Dutcher... not the other way around. What Dutcher has done here (with Fisher) has earned him the right to be our next head coach, and what Fisher has done has definitely given him the right to choose his partner in crime (of 25+ years) to be the head coach in waiting. They basically own the basketball program I think that is logical. Could have been an unwritten arrangement to retain Dutcher. I think everyone agrees that competition is the best method of selection, so there surely are other factors as to Dutcher taking the reigns.
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Post by standiego on Mar 27, 2015 11:20:29 GMT -8
As noted Fisher has a 3 year extension . He wants Dutcher to be the coach who will replace him so there will be a smooth transition . All the players , recruits , and whom ever cares has seen the transition in place . How many years he is set for , not really sure . So suggest we roll with it . Dutcher has been involved with all aspects from recruiting to assistant coaching but what he will be like when he gets full control , none of us know for sure . most important will be who the players are when he takes over. and if he can continue to recruit .
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Post by sdcoug on Mar 27, 2015 11:21:37 GMT -8
Fish has talked specifically about retiring, but you may have missed that given your bias towards Dutch. Other programs use that in recruiting. As for 347 of 351, didn't realize 351 schools have coaches nearing retirement and are in the same situation as us. Wow - amazing all teams are in the same situation, right? And tell me, how does your "interview everyone" scenario address the concerns of recruits unsure of who will be coaching them? It doesnt. And no, coaches cant guarantee they'll be there but most arent known to be in their final years either. Our situation IS unique, and if you could get past your bias you'd actually figure that out. BTW, you've been "foolish" from the get go, but you know that. Man I wish you'd think before you type. Is Mark Few at 50 NOW close to retiring? When was Grier coach-in-waiting....maybe when Few was mid-40s. I have no bias as I've told you OVER AND OVER AND OVER and f'iNG OVER. You're flunking reading comprehension each and every post you make. Congrats! I just want the BEST REPLACEMENT FOR FISH WHOEVER THAT IS. Now stop before you type anymore nonsense. So, your now comparing Few at 50 who has never talked about retiring to Fisher, who every year says he sits down with his wife & decides if the prior year will be his last. Interesting comparison - yea, I'm sure they're exactly the same. Bizarre you would even think so. In 5-10 years, as Few starts to talk retirement annually, then maybe they do name Lloyd HCiW? But that's a long ways off.
Fisher is year to year - he's made that known publicly (to fans/recruits). That's a very, VERY different scenario than 99% of the programs in the country. Different scenario = different solution.
In a nutshell, here's you:
1. Still butthurt by the fact Dutcher was named CiW 4 years ago, and are still complaining today 2. Don't believe he is the best hire despite 16 years coaching here & basically taking over many of the key components of the job already 3. Since you don't think Dutch is perfectly qualified you'd like to open it up to anyone & everyone just in case someone with a sexier resume is out there 4. Do not see the benefits of continuity, nor of assuring recruits who will be coaching them down the road
Here's me:
1. Agree with the plan that is actually happening rather than bitching about something that won't 2. Believe Dutcher is well qualified after 16 years on the job & given the fact he's been doing many of the key components of the job already 3. Believe Dutcher deserves the opportunity to be HC 4. Believe there are several benefits to maintaining continuity, both in recruiting & style/focus of play 5. Agree that letting the recruits know there will be continuity in the staff is beneficial & important
Think that's it in a nutshell. We'll agree to disagree.
As for you not having any bias, you might want to check yourself in the mirror again. You're just missing it (or forcing yourself to look away). If you're the AD & believe you have a coach in place who already fits all the criteria you're looking for in a HC then you don't bother going out to look for someone else who might have those same qualities (but may have a sexier resume). You actually realize continuity trumps sexy in this case, especially when you've determined he's ready for the job. If you're not 100% confident the coach is the right fit then, and only then, do you look outside. If he (assistant) still ends up being the best great; if not, choose someone else. But here's the kicker - we're 100% confident the coach is the right fit. See the difference?
Have a nice day Mr. Nonsense!
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Post by zurac315 on Mar 28, 2015 17:07:50 GMT -8
Be afraid. Be very afraid.
Sincerely, Claude Gilbert
Dumb comment, I realize. Just popped into my head!
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Post by Luchador El Guerrero Azteca on Mar 28, 2015 17:34:41 GMT -8
I think the school and fans are indebted to Fisher & Dutcher... not the other way around. What Dutcher has done here (with Fisher) has earned him the right to be our next head coach, and what Fisher has done has definitely given him the right to choose his partner in crime (of 25+ years) to be the head coach in waiting. They basically own the basketball program Continuity from Fish's program is golden and cannot be understated. Fish wants his to be the success of the program, not loyalty to Dutch. His propping of Dutcher is about the program, not anything else. I trust Fish.
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Post by bballfan11 on Mar 28, 2015 20:51:57 GMT -8
Man I wish you'd think before you type. Is Mark Few at 50 NOW close to retiring? When was Grier coach-in-waiting....maybe when Few was mid-40s. I have no bias as I've told you OVER AND OVER AND OVER and f'iNG OVER. You're flunking reading comprehension each and every post you make. Congrats! I just want the BEST REPLACEMENT FOR FISH WHOEVER THAT IS. Now stop before you type anymore nonsense. So, your now comparing Few at 50 who has never talked about retiring to Fisher, who every year says he sits down with his wife & decides if the prior year will be his last. Interesting comparison - yea, I'm sure they're exactly the same. Bizarre you would even think so. In 5-10 years, as Few starts to talk retirement annually, then maybe they do name Lloyd HCiW? But that's a long ways off.
Fisher is year to year - he's made that known publicly (to fans/recruits). That's a very, VERY different scenario than 99% of the programs in the country. Different scenario = different solution.
In a nutshell, here's you:
1. Still butthurt by the fact Dutcher was named CiW 4 years ago, and are still complaining today 2. Don't believe he is the best hire despite 16 years coaching here & basically taking over many of the key components of the job already 3. Since you don't think Dutch is perfectly qualified you'd like to open it up to anyone & everyone just in case someone with a sexier resume is out there 4. Do not see the benefits of continuity, nor of assuring recruits who will be coaching them down the road
Here's me:
1. Agree with the plan that is actually happening rather than bitching about something that won't 2. Believe Dutcher is well qualified after 16 years on the job & given the fact he's been doing many of the key components of the job already 3. Believe Dutcher deserves the opportunity to be HC 4. Believe there are several benefits to maintaining continuity, both in recruiting & style/focus of play 5. Agree that letting the recruits know there will be continuity in the staff is beneficial & important
Think that's it in a nutshell. We'll agree to disagree.
As for you not having any bias, you might want to check yourself in the mirror again. You're just missing it (or forcing yourself to look away). If you're the AD & believe you have a coach in place who already fits all the criteria you're looking for in a HC then you don't bother going out to look for someone else who might have those same qualities (but may have a sexier resume). You actually realize continuity trumps sexy in this case, especially when you've determined he's ready for the job. If you're not 100% confident the coach is the right fit then, and only then, do you look outside. If he (assistant) still ends up being the best great; if not, choose someone else. But here's the kicker - we're 100% confident the coach is the right fit. See the difference?
Have a nice day Mr. Nonsense!
Sdcoug with the knockout punch. Good night ab thanks for playing.
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Post by Motown Monty on Mar 29, 2015 6:38:44 GMT -8
Be afraid. Be very afraid. Sincerely, Claude Gilbert Dumb comment, I realize. Just popped into my head! Well, as a "Head Coach in waiting" who took over for a legend, Claude was amazingly successful in my opinion. Yes he did isolate some of the hard core fans when he effed around with the uniforms (briefly) and experimented with the veer offense (briefly) but his real problem was an unforgiving AD and a mandate to recruit exclusively high school athletes once we entered the WAC. It only took one losing season for the school to can him. He only went on to turn San Jose State into a multiple 10-win/Bowl participant, one of the few successful stretches that program has ever had.
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Post by AzTex on Mar 29, 2015 9:15:49 GMT -8
Be afraid. Be very afraid. Sincerely, Claude Gilbert Dumb comment, I realize. Just popped into my head! Following a legendary coach is always extremely difficult. They face expectations that are virtually impossible to meet. Claude is a perfect example.
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Post by AzTex on Mar 29, 2015 9:24:50 GMT -8
Be afraid. Be very afraid. Sincerely, Claude Gilbert Dumb comment, I realize. Just popped into my head! Well, as a "Head Coach in waiting" who took over for a legend, Claude was amazingly successful in my opinion. Yes he did isolate some of the hard core fans when he effed around with the uniforms (briefly) and experimented with the veer offense (briefly) but his real problem was an unforgiving AD and a mandate to recruit exclusively high school athletes once we entered the WAC. It only took one losing season for the school to can him. He only went on to turn San Jose State into a multiple 10-win/Bowl participant, one of the few successful stretches that program has ever had. Claude was certainly given a raw deal. Switching to recruiting HS players from JC players virtually guaranteed at least 3 down years. But, Claude wasn't given the chance to weather that storm. He's still the second most successful football coach the Aztecs have ever had. It was a very bad decision to dump him. As you pointed out, Claude did not do himself any favors with the uniform change and the change in the offense. That did lose him some support in the community. I was very happy to see him have success with San Jose. Claude was a fine man and very good coach. He
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Post by ab on Mar 29, 2015 13:06:18 GMT -8
Man I wish you'd think before you type. Is Mark Few at 50 NOW close to retiring? When was Grier coach-in-waiting....maybe when Few was mid-40s. I have no bias as I've told you OVER AND OVER AND OVER and f'iNG OVER. You're flunking reading comprehension each and every post you make. Congrats! I just want the BEST REPLACEMENT FOR FISH WHOEVER THAT IS. Now stop before you type anymore nonsense. So, your now comparing Few at 50 who has never talked about retiring to Fisher, who every year says he sits down with his wife & decides if the prior year will be his last. Interesting comparison - yea, I'm sure they're exactly the same. Bizarre you would even think so. In 5-10 years, as Few starts to talk retirement annually, then maybe they do name Lloyd HCiW? But that's a long ways off.
Fisher is year to year - he's made that known publicly (to fans/recruits). That's a very, VERY different scenario than 99% of the programs in the country. Different scenario = different solution.
In a nutshell, here's you:
1. Still butthurt by the fact Dutcher was named CiW 4 years ago, and are still complaining today 2. Don't believe he is the best hire despite 16 years coaching here & basically taking over many of the key components of the job already 3. Since you don't think Dutch is perfectly qualified you'd like to open it up to anyone & everyone just in case someone with a sexier resume is out there 4. Do not see the benefits of continuity, nor of assuring recruits who will be coaching them down the road
Here's me:
1. Agree with the plan that is actually happening rather than bitching about something that won't 2. Believe Dutcher is well qualified after 16 years on the job & given the fact he's been doing many of the key components of the job already 3. Believe Dutcher deserves the opportunity to be HC 4. Believe there are several benefits to maintaining continuity, both in recruiting & style/focus of play 5. Agree that letting the recruits know there will be continuity in the staff is beneficial & important
Think that's it in a nutshell. We'll agree to disagree.
As for you not having any bias, you might want to check yourself in the mirror again. You're just missing it (or forcing yourself to look away). If you're the AD & believe you have a coach in place who already fits all the criteria you're looking for in a HC then you don't bother going out to look for someone else who might have those same qualities (but may have a sexier resume). You actually realize continuity trumps sexy in this case, especially when you've determined he's ready for the job. If you're not 100% confident the coach is the right fit then, and only then, do you look outside. If he (assistant) still ends up being the best great; if not, choose someone else. But here's the kicker - we're 100% confident the coach is the right fit. See the difference?
Have a nice day Mr. Nonsense!
Who are you Dutch's wife/brother/sister/kids? You still have a reading comprehension issue. How many f'ing times do I have to tell you I have nothing against Dutcher. If he's the best coach then let him coach. I do have a problem with the coach-in-waiting title in general as do more than 300 of the D1 basketball programs. How can you keep ignoring that fact? YOU ARE IN THE MINORITY. You are either a family member or wish you were. Sorry, nothing against the Dutch. I just want to see who else would be interested and we're stupid for not finding that out. I guess you're not real familiar with how many corporations are run. The CEO steps down and quite often they go outside of the family to find someone they think is best. Sometimes they don't. Either way, only time will tell if the new CEO is the best fit. I see that you have your head in your darkside or a family member. Ignorance is bliss. Stay ignorant if you wish. You're not going to chance my mind about C-I-W title for SDSU or for any other school. You're right only about 1 thing, we'll agree to disagree so leave it alone. You may want to look at the history of HCs at Xavier and Arizona, both who went outside at least once to find a great replacement for the HC who left or retired from the programs. Those two programs are perennial National Championship contenders under more than 1 HC.
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Post by sdcoug on Mar 29, 2015 15:39:38 GMT -8
So, your now comparing Few at 50 who has never talked about retiring to Fisher, who every year says he sits down with his wife & decides if the prior year will be his last. Interesting comparison - yea, I'm sure they're exactly the same. Bizarre you would even think so. In 5-10 years, as Few starts to talk retirement annually, then maybe they do name Lloyd HCiW? But that's a long ways off.
Fisher is year to year - he's made that known publicly (to fans/recruits). That's a very, VERY different scenario than 99% of the programs in the country. Different scenario = different solution.
In a nutshell, here's you:
1. Still butthurt by the fact Dutcher was named CiW 4 years ago, and are still complaining today 2. Don't believe he is the best hire despite 16 years coaching here & basically taking over many of the key components of the job already 3. Since you don't think Dutch is perfectly qualified you'd like to open it up to anyone & everyone just in case someone with a sexier resume is out there 4. Do not see the benefits of continuity, nor of assuring recruits who will be coaching them down the road
Here's me:
1. Agree with the plan that is actually happening rather than bitching about something that won't 2. Believe Dutcher is well qualified after 16 years on the job & given the fact he's been doing many of the key components of the job already 3. Believe Dutcher deserves the opportunity to be HC 4. Believe there are several benefits to maintaining continuity, both in recruiting & style/focus of play 5. Agree that letting the recruits know there will be continuity in the staff is beneficial & important
Think that's it in a nutshell. We'll agree to disagree.
As for you not having any bias, you might want to check yourself in the mirror again. You're just missing it (or forcing yourself to look away). If you're the AD & believe you have a coach in place who already fits all the criteria you're looking for in a HC then you don't bother going out to look for someone else who might have those same qualities (but may have a sexier resume). You actually realize continuity trumps sexy in this case, especially when you've determined he's ready for the job. If you're not 100% confident the coach is the right fit then, and only then, do you look outside. If he (assistant) still ends up being the best great; if not, choose someone else. But here's the kicker - we're 100% confident the coach is the right fit. See the difference?
Have a nice day Mr. Nonsense!
Who are you Dutch's wife/brother/sister/kids? You still have a reading comprehension issue. How many f'ing times do I have to tell you I have nothing against Dutcher. If he's the best coach then let him coach. I do have a problem with the coach-in-waiting title in general as do more than 300 of the D1 basketball programs. How can you keep ignoring that fact? YOU ARE IN THE MINORITY. You are either a family member or wish you were. Sorry, nothing against the Dutch. I just want to see who else would be interested and we're stupid for not finding that out. I guess you're not real familiar with how many corporations are run. The CEO steps down and quite often they go outside of the family to find someone they think is best. Sometimes they don't. Either way, only time will tell if the new CEO is the best fit. I see that you have your head in your darkside or a family member. Ignorance is bliss. Stay ignorant if you wish. You're not going to chance my mind about C-I-W title for SDSU or for any other school. You're right only about 1 thing, we'll agree to disagree so leave it alone. You may want to look at the history of HCs at Xavier and Arizona, both who went outside at least once to find a great replacement for the HC who left or retired from the programs. Those two programs are perennial National Championship contenders under more than 1 HC. LOL. You can't see your hand in front of your face can you? Minority? Again, do 350 schools have a coach who's said he may retire at any point? If not, how do they relate to us? Seriously, UA? You get that Lute's retirement wasn't planned and his issues began when he fired 2 guys who he had promised the job, right? Xavier? They hired within. Keep telling yourself you're not biased.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 29, 2015 17:29:55 GMT -8
I wonder if either of you can tell me if we have an Athletic Director in waiting and if it would be a good idea?
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Post by ab on Mar 30, 2015 16:04:50 GMT -8
Who are you Dutch's wife/brother/sister/kids? You still have a reading comprehension issue. How many f'ing times do I have to tell you I have nothing against Dutcher. If he's the best coach then let him coach. I do have a problem with the coach-in-waiting title in general as do more than 300 of the D1 basketball programs. How can you keep ignoring that fact? YOU ARE IN THE MINORITY. You are either a family member or wish you were. Sorry, nothing against the Dutch. I just want to see who else would be interested and we're stupid for not finding that out. I guess you're not real familiar with how many corporations are run. The CEO steps down and quite often they go outside of the family to find someone they think is best. Sometimes they don't. Either way, only time will tell if the new CEO is the best fit. I see that you have your head in your darkside or a family member. Ignorance is bliss. Stay ignorant if you wish. You're not going to chance my mind about C-I-W title for SDSU or for any other school. You're right only about 1 thing, we'll agree to disagree so leave it alone. You may want to look at the history of HCs at Xavier and Arizona, both who went outside at least once to find a great replacement for the HC who left or retired from the programs. Those two programs are perennial National Championship contenders under more than 1 HC. LOL. You can't see your hand in front of your face can you? Minority? Again, do 350 schools have a coach who's said he may retire at any point? If not, how do they relate to us? Seriously, UA? You get that Lute's retirement wasn't planned and his issues began when he fired 2 guys who he had promised the job, right? Xavier? They hired within. Keep telling yourself you're not biased. You're dumber than dirt. Do I have to post the exact info for Arizona and Xavier for you to get it right? Obviously since you didn't get it right above. Also, Mark Few is only 52 and has had a C-i-W for years. As I wrote earlier..Bill Grier was a C-I-W there back when Few was in his middle 40s. How did that hire work out for USD? FAIL!!! Is Few ready to retire? Doubtful. Come back to me with any examples of C-I-W in college basketball that has worked out. Until then, just shut the F up.
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Post by sdcoug on Mar 30, 2015 18:10:22 GMT -8
LOL. You can't see your hand in front of your face can you? Minority? Again, do 350 schools have a coach who's said he may retire at any point? If not, how do they relate to us? Seriously, UA? You get that Lute's retirement wasn't planned and his issues began when he fired 2 guys who he had promised the job, right? Xavier? They hired within. Keep telling yourself you're not biased. You're dumber than dirt. Do I have to post the exact info for Arizona and Xavier for you to get it right? Obviously since you didn't get it right above. Also, Mark Few is only 52 and has had a C-i-W for years. As I wrote earlier..Bill Grier was a C-I-W there back when Few was in his middle 40s. How did that hire work out for USD? FAIL!!! Is Few ready to retire? Doubtful. Come back to me with any examples of C-I-W in college basketball that has worked out. Until then, just shut the F up. You are a funny, silly man.
So Grier, knowing Few was going to coach another 10-15+ years, deciding to move on to another position on his own is the same as Fisher coming into his final years & Dutcher staying loyal to SDSU and to him? That makes PERFECT sense, right? They're both about the same age; same situation. EXACTLY the same. Got it.
If Few does hang it up here's a clue for you - they WON'T GO OUTSIDE & INTERVIEW anyone else like you're so desperate to do. The job is Lloyd's! They have faith in Lloyd & believe he's a better answer than ANYONE else out there. Here's another clue, and maybe you can connect the dots - had Grier decided to stay in Spokane they were NOT GOING TO OPEN UP THE INTERVIEWS TO EVERYONE either. Now do you get it? The Zags WANT to do the same thing we're doing - handing the reigns to someone they believe is qualified for the job. Like us, they believe this is the best answer - CONTINUITY. The difference is Few is MUCH YOUNGER & those coaches didn't want to stay loyal to Few, unlike Dutcher to Fisher.
As for Xavier, catch a clue. Tell me again who at Xavier is or was in their final years coaching and/or NONE OF THEIR COACHES even retired at Xavier. Gillen, Prosser, Matta, their head coaches, left for better gigs (See the difference = HC's leaving does not equal retirement). Sean Miller left for a better gig. Yea, that situation parallels ours perfectly.
Whooooshhhh!
No go back & figure out another way to not get it & to justify your bias.
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Post by tonatiuh on Mar 30, 2015 18:46:56 GMT -8
Other teams were hinting that Fisher was going to retire soon . Fisher wanted a set plan in place so there was not going to be a problem when recruiting and running the program , probably part of the deal for him to stay was that Dutcher would be the next coach- set deal . Like it or not Dutcher will be the next coach . Fisher has already started having Dutcher do some of the duties of the HC , so there will be an easy transition ,recruiting , running the team , being on TV and radio..... Doing many of the same thing Fisher used to . Not sure if they have pictures of Dutcher with Fab 5 or with K.L . Not sure how many years are on the contract for Dutcher ? There you go. The best man available was put into place to take over San Diego State Men's Basketball. That man was Dutch, and they are not going to look for anyone else. I have complete faith in him due to the fact Fisher has already allowed him to due many of the activities of a HC as mentioned above. And, he is a great recruiter since he was the man behind the Fab5 at Michigan. Now, if he should not perform well, and the time comes to look for a new HC I would support your suggestions ab, but right now it is really a mute point.
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Post by localsonly on Mar 30, 2015 19:51:02 GMT -8
Coach Fisher, other coaches and recruits visited us today at the Del Mar Lifeguard HQ - what a class act! All of them, polite gracious and poised - personified the concept that this is "a program" about which we can all be very proud and this is just the beginning.
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Post by theoracle on Mar 30, 2015 20:06:58 GMT -8
Touchy topic. If interested in the Oracle's inside info here; PM the Oracle on his take.
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