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Post by SDSU-Alum2003 on Mar 11, 2015 9:20:52 GMT -8
timesofsandiego.com/opinion/2015/03/06/how-important-are-the-chargers-to-san-diegos-brand/"The big argument made by both individuals is that San Diego’s brand would suffer significantly, that the city would be less top-of-mind to those outside the Southern California region and the draw for visitors would be directly, and negatively, impacted. That would be true if we lived in Green Bay, Wis., or Buffalo, NY, where the Packers and the Bills are synonymous with those towns. But i’s not even close to being the case here. San Diego is known first and foremost for its weather, beaches and world-class zoo. The city draws conventioneers and tourists for these reasons; not because they see the Chargers struggle each year to make the playoffs. Furthermore, the sports brand in this region is spread across multiple teams; including the resurgent Padres, top-ranked San Diego State University men’s basketball, the perennially popular Farmers Insurance Open, the return of professional hockey to the city and others. From a pure dollars and cents standpoint, keep this in mind too. The San Diego Convention Center generated a $1.3 billion economic impact to the region while upkeep of Qualcomm Stadium came at a $10 million net loss to the City of San Diego. The bottom line is this. Keeping the Chargers in San Diego is not debatable on its brand value to the city, but more on the public will. If the citizens desire to pay for such a luxury then so be it. But San Diego’s persona will be just fine one way or the other."
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Post by The Aztec Panther on Mar 11, 2015 11:49:50 GMT -8
We are in serious danger of losing the two things most associated with San Diego by those living outside the city. The Chargers and the San Diego Comic-Con. Lose them and San Diego will be viewed as a city of losers. Can't keep the pro football team that's been there for over 50 years, and can't keep THE defining entertainment convention that was born right here in San Diego. That would be pathetic. That would prove that San Diego really is an overgrown little podunk town that is nothing more than Los Angeles' smaller, less intellient, less talented little brother.
Weather and location is nice, but if weather and location were really as big of an issue as some would like us to believe then we'd have all sorts of major industries lining up to relocate here every year. We don't. It's expensive to do business in San Diego. I know the business I work for decided to split our regional office and sent half the business to a new office opened in Arizona instead of expanding here about 10 years ago. That's about 1,500 jobs that we could have had here but went there instead because of lower costs.
San Diego is viewed nationally as a poorly run city (the Mayor Filner scandal was just the latest example and got national headlines) - one that is too expensive to relocate a business to or to expand within. Lose the Chargers and Comic-Con and that image is only made worse.
Don't be so blinded by loyalty to SDSU that you can't honestly take a look at how business un-friendly San Diego is and how the city will lose out to other cities for business expansion time and time again because of MUCH lower costs elsewhere.
The Chargers and Comic-Con bring a lot to San Diego. It's not all about dollars and cents. It's about making a commitment to being a big time city that can compete with other big time cities or not.
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Post by retiredaztec on Mar 11, 2015 13:16:23 GMT -8
We are in serious danger of losing the two things most associated with San Diego by those living outside the city. The Chargers and the San Diego Comic-Con. Lose them and San Diego will be viewed as a city of losers. Can't keep the pro football team that's been there for over 50 years, and can't keep THE defining entertainment convention that was born right here in San Diego. That would be pathetic. That would prove that San Diego really is an overgrown little podunk town that is nothing more than Los Angeles' smaller, less intellient, less talented little brother. Weather and location is nice, but if weather and location were really as big of an issue as some would like us to believe then we'd have all sorts of major industries lining up to relocate here every year. We don't. It's expensive to do business in San Diego. I know the business I work for decided to split our regional office and sent half the business to a new office opened in Arizona instead of expanding here about 10 years ago. That's about 1,500 jobs that we could have had here but went there instead because of lower costs. San Diego is viewed nationally as a poorly run city (the Mayor Filner scandal was just the latest example and got national headlines) - one that is too expensive to relocate a business to or to expand within. Lose the Chargers and Comic-Con and that image is only made worse. Don't be so blinded by loyalty to SDSU that you can't honestly take a look at how business un-friendly San Diego is and how the city will lose out to other cities for business expansion time and time again because of MUCH lower costs elsewhere. The Chargers and Comic-Con bring a lot to San Diego. It's not all about dollars and cents. It's about making a commitment to being a big time city that can compete with other big time cities or not. The way I see it San Diego has taken a bigger hit from the Sea World issue involving "Shamu". The Chargers leave, just another loss. Sea World closes that IS a major hit. The fact is, (again), San Diego is not a sports town. The history of professional franchises that have departed since the late '60's could support that argument. There has been zero incentive to replace the sports arena. Up until recent times there has been little incentive to address an updated venue for college and pro football. The Padre stadium took years to finally take hold, for a franchise that was literally hours from moving to DC. If the Chargers leave it won't generate nearly the PUB the loss of two teams in LA generated. (Hell, you have to look hard for Bolt PUB as it is). But as the previous post noted, the people of the San Diego region will ultimately decide if the Chargers stay or go. Just don't think for one minute, if the Chargers leave, interest will be diverted to Aztec football. |
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Post by Ambivalent_Fan on Mar 11, 2015 15:41:39 GMT -8
Are most San Diegans aware that there are now multiple cities hosting a comic-con knock-off these days including WonderCom in Anaheim (attracting more than 60,000 people in 2014)...and ComicCon Salt Lake City attracting (attracting more than 70,000 people...even though ticket sales are capped at 50,000).
Yes...ComicCon San Diego is the biggest and best...but there are definitely competitors nipping at the heels of San Diego's convention center promise land...
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Post by The Aztec Panther on Mar 11, 2015 16:02:52 GMT -8
Are most San Diegans aware that there are now multiple cities hosting a comic-con knock-off these days including WonderCom in Anaheim (attracting more than 60,000 people in 2014)...and ComicCon Salt Lake City attracting (attracting more than 70,000 people...even though ticket sales are capped at 50,000). Yes...ComicCon San Diego is the biggest and best...but there are definitely competitors nipping at the heels of San Diego's convention center promise land... None of the other cons are even close to being as big or as prestigious as the San Diego Comic-Con. The SDCC is a huge asset to San Diego, and to lose both that AND the Chargers at the same time? That would really be bad for the image of San Diego. Someone would have to be a totally myopic SDSU fan to think that losing the Chargers AND Comic Con at the same time wouldn't be really bad for San Diego. |
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Post by hoobs on Mar 11, 2015 16:56:35 GMT -8
Losing the Chargers and ComicCon will not hurt SDSU one bit, thankfully. The city itself will recover once it gets decent leadership to put its house back in order.
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Post by The Aztec Panther on Mar 11, 2015 17:10:56 GMT -8
Losing the Chargers and ComicCon will not hurt SDSU one bit, thankfully. The city itself will recover once it gets decent leadership to put its house back in order. Now THAT (the city of San Diego getting decent leadership and putting it's house back in order) is just comedy gold! HI-larious! (Nothing personal, but, come on - it's been at least 30 years since San Diego had good leadership.) |
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Post by hoobs on Mar 11, 2015 17:50:14 GMT -8
Losing the Chargers and ComicCon will not hurt SDSU one bit, thankfully. The city itself will recover once it gets decent leadership to put its house back in order. Now THAT (the city of San Diego getting decent leadership and putting it's house back in order) is just comedy gold! HI-larious! (Nothing personal, but, come on - it's been at least 30 years since San Diego had good leadership.) Note I said "decent", not *good*.  State of CA was dealing with a loooooong stretch of poor leadership but Gov/Mayor/Gov Moonbeam seems to have done a decent job. Maybe SD ca recruit him to run for another Mayorial gig? |
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Post by Ambivalent_Fan on Mar 11, 2015 17:54:11 GMT -8
Are most San Diegans aware that there are now multiple cities hosting a comic-con knock-off these days including WonderCom in Anaheim (attracting more than 60,000 people in 2014)...and ComicCon Salt Lake City attracting (attracting more than 70,000 people...even though ticket sales are capped at 50,000). Yes...ComicCon San Diego is the biggest and best...but there are definitely competitors nipping at the heels of San Diego's convention center promise land... None of the other cons are even close to being as big or as prestigious as the San Diego Comic-Con. The SDCC is a huge asset to San Diego, and to lose both that AND the Chargers at the same time? That would really be bad for the image of San Diego. Someone would have to be a totally myopic SDSU fan to think that losing the Chargers AND Comic Con at the same time wouldn't be really bad for San Diego. The loss of those two entities would really hurt San Diego... The loss of Sea World / the Zoo / LegoLand / The Midway Museum would hurt San Diego image. The loss of Qualcomm, General Atomics, and Sempra Energy would hurt San Diego's image The loss of SDSU / UCSD / USD would hurt San Diego's image Closing the beaches due to pollution would hurt San Diego's image But none of those things will stop people from coming to San Diego...because in the end...people actually come to San Diego (be vacation or to relocate permanently) for one main reason...the weather...which is the best climate in the entire world... If you've ever traveled much outside San Diego...and you tell people that you're from San Diego...they will immediately say two things... 1) "San Diego is so beautiful and the weather is the best anywhere" 2) "if I could afford it...I'd move there tomorrow" From someone who travels 100-120K miles per year talking to all kinds of people wherever I go...those are the only two things that people outside of San Diego actually talk about. |
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Post by The Aztec Panther on Mar 11, 2015 19:36:47 GMT -8
If people want the exact same weather they can go to L.A. and have a lot more fun stuff to do than in San Diego. San Diego is competing with L.A. for tourists. L.A. is going to win that fight more often than not, and if the perception of San Diego is that it is a city in decline then that will seal the deal for some people. Losing the Chargers and Comic-Con will create a perception of a city in decline.
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Post by AlwaysAnAztec on Mar 12, 2015 8:22:16 GMT -8
If people want the exact same weather they can go to L.A. and have a lot more fun stuff to do than in San Diego. San Diego is competing with L.A. for tourists. L.A. is going to win that fight more often than not, and if the perception of San Diego is that it is a city in decline then that will seal the deal for some people. Losing the Chargers and Comic-Con will create a perception of a city in decline. San Diego has it all over LA unless you are in the entertainment industry and even then many in that industry live down here and commute to LA when they have to. LA is a sprawl whereas San Diego is still a city of villages. Since I grew up in LA, I know what I am talking about. |
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Post by The Aztec Panther on Mar 12, 2015 17:13:30 GMT -8
If people want the exact same weather they can go to L.A. and have a lot more fun stuff to do than in San Diego. San Diego is competing with L.A. for tourists. L.A. is going to win that fight more often than not, and if the perception of San Diego is that it is a city in decline then that will seal the deal for some people. Losing the Chargers and Comic-Con will create a perception of a city in decline. San Diego has it all over LA unless you are in the entertainment industry and even then many in that industry live down here and commute to LA when they have to. LA is a sprawl whereas San Diego is a city of villages. Since I grew up in LA, I know what I am talking about. Yeah, well, that City of Villages is now suburban sprawl. Traffic is just as bad in San Diego as it is in Los Angeles. And all the open space that was there when I was a kid in the 70's is now housing, shopping centers, and industrial parks. San Diego isn't what it used to be. |
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Post by podpeople on Mar 13, 2015 6:19:54 GMT -8
San Diego has it all over LA unless you are in the entertainment industry and even then many in that industry live down here and commute to LA when they have to. LA is a sprawl whereas San Diego is a city of villages. Since I grew up in LA, I know what I am talking about. Yeah, well, that City of Villages is now suburban sprawl. Traffic is just as bad in San Diego as it is in Los Angeles. And all the open space that was there when I was a kid in the 70's is now housing, shopping centers, and industrial parks. San Diego isn't what it used to be. I agree, for the most part. Having grown up here and having lived in 5 other cities, including New York, Detroit, New Orleans, LA, the Bay Area, I can say that the only thing I enjoy about San Diego is that I can visit family when I come back into town, and even with that part I feel conflicted, which is natural I guess. Good weather is for tourists. The city itself, and what it has to offer can be seen in the social stratification. All I can see since I've returned is more and more gated communities, and a lifestyle that caters to the wealthy. all Major cities are going through this transition. I would say that it does have to do with leadership. However, money talks, and the poor can walk. |
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Post by ab on Mar 13, 2015 9:13:01 GMT -8
Losing the Chargers and ComicCon will not hurt SDSU one bit, thankfully. The city itself will recover once it gets decent leadership to put its house back in order. That's insane to say that. Easy for you since you are obviously biased towards SDSU and WANT the Chargers to leave. Besides you live on the other coast. What if the Redskins moved from the DC Area? Maybe you can relate to that one. Losing the Chargers would be embarassing to say the least. Just one more nail in the coffin of "America's Finest City". If they leave it's just more proof how Rinky Dink this city is. People still talk about the Colts. The Oilers leaving Houston for Tennessee. The difference here is THAT WE'LL NEVER SEE ANOTHER NFL TEAM IN SAN DIEGO AGAIN. The NFL is at 32 and apparently doesn't see any expansion in it's near future. |
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Post by ab on Mar 13, 2015 9:18:21 GMT -8
San Diego has it all over LA unless you are in the entertainment industry and even then many in that industry live down here and commute to LA when they have to. LA is a sprawl whereas San Diego is a city of villages. Since I grew up in LA, I know what I am talking about. Yeah, well, that City of Villages is now suburban sprawl. Traffic is just as bad in San Diego as it is in Los Angeles. And all the open space that was there when I was a kid in the 70's is now housing, shopping centers, and industrial parks. San Diego isn't what it used to be. and it (San Diego) shouldn't be. We are no longer that small town even though so many still have that small town mentality. Want a small town, live in Julian, Boulevard or other villages in our County. |
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Post by ab on Mar 13, 2015 9:19:39 GMT -8
timesofsandiego.com/opinion/2015/03/06/how-important-are-the-chargers-to-san-diegos-brand/"The big argument made by both individuals is that San Diego’s brand would suffer significantly, that the city would be less top-of-mind to those outside the Southern California region and the draw for visitors would be directly, and negatively, impacted. That would be true if we lived in Green Bay, Wis., or Buffalo, NY, where the Packers and the Bills are synonymous with those towns. But i’s not even close to being the case here. San Diego is known first and foremost for its weather, beaches and world-class zoo. The city draws conventioneers and tourists for these reasons; not because they see the Chargers struggle each year to make the playoffs. Furthermore, the sports brand in this region is spread across multiple teams; including the resurgent Padres, top-ranked San Diego State University men’s basketball, the perennially popular Farmers Insurance Open, the return of professional hockey to the city and others. From a pure dollars and cents standpoint, keep this in mind too. The San Diego Convention Center generated a $1.3 billion economic impact to the region while upkeep of Qualcomm Stadium came at a $10 million net loss to the City of San Diego. The bottom line is this. Keeping the Chargers in San Diego is not debatable on its brand value to the city, but more on the public will. If the citizens desire to pay for such a luxury then so be it. But San Diego’s persona will be just fine one way or the other." Yeah, that Farmers Insurance Golf Tournament is really what we're known for.  |
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Post by SDSU-Alum2003 on Mar 13, 2015 9:32:15 GMT -8
timesofsandiego.com/opinion/2015/03/06/how-important-are-the-chargers-to-san-diegos-brand/"The big argument made by both individuals is that San Diego’s brand would suffer significantly, that the city would be less top-of-mind to those outside the Southern California region and the draw for visitors would be directly, and negatively, impacted. That would be true if we lived in Green Bay, Wis., or Buffalo, NY, where the Packers and the Bills are synonymous with those towns. But i’s not even close to being the case here. San Diego is known first and foremost for its weather, beaches and world-class zoo. The city draws conventioneers and tourists for these reasons; not because they see the Chargers struggle each year to make the playoffs. Furthermore, the sports brand in this region is spread across multiple teams; including the resurgent Padres, top-ranked San Diego State University men’s basketball, the perennially popular Farmers Insurance Open, the return of professional hockey to the city and others. From a pure dollars and cents standpoint, keep this in mind too. The San Diego Convention Center generated a $1.3 billion economic impact to the region while upkeep of Qualcomm Stadium came at a $10 million net loss to the City of San Diego. The bottom line is this. Keeping the Chargers in San Diego is not debatable on its brand value to the city, but more on the public will. If the citizens desire to pay for such a luxury then so be it. But San Diego’s persona will be just fine one way or the other." Yeah, that Farmers Insurance Golf Tournament is really what we're known for. "San Diego is known first and foremost for its weather, beaches and world-class zoo." |
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Post by ab on Mar 13, 2015 12:13:46 GMT -8
Yeah, that Farmers Insurance Golf Tournament is really what we're known for. "San Diego is known first and foremost for its weather, beaches and world-class zoo." yeahhhhhhhhhhhhhh!?!? Didn't you sense the sarcasm (w/ smiley) in my psot above? |
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Post by ab on Mar 13, 2015 12:45:52 GMT -8
We are in serious danger of losing the two things most associated with San Diego by those living outside the city. The Chargers and the San Diego Comic-Con. Lose them and San Diego will be viewed as a city of losers. Can't keep the pro football team that's been there for over 50 years, and can't keep THE defining entertainment convention that was born right here in San Diego. That would be pathetic. That would prove that San Diego really is an overgrown little podunk town that is nothing more than Los Angeles' smaller, less intellient, less talented little brother. Weather and location is nice, but if weather and location were really as big of an issue as some would like us to believe then we'd have all sorts of major industries lining up to relocate here every year. We don't. It's expensive to do business in San Diego. I know the business I work for decided to split our regional office and sent half the business to a new office opened in Arizona instead of expanding here about 10 years ago. That's about 1,500 jobs that we could have had here but went there instead because of lower costs. San Diego is viewed nationally as a poorly run city (the Mayor Filner scandal was just the latest example and got national headlines) - one that is too expensive to relocate a business to or to expand within. Lose the Chargers and Comic-Con and that image is only made worse. Don't be so blinded by loyalty to SDSU that you can't honestly take a look at how business un-friendly San Diego is and how the city will lose out to other cities for business expansion time and time again because of MUCH lower costs elsewhere. The Chargers and Comic-Con bring a lot to San Diego. It's not all about dollars and cents. It's about making a commitment to being a big time city that can compete with other big time cities or not. The way I see it San Diego has taken a bigger hit from the Sea World issue involving "Shamu". The Chargers leave, just another loss. Sea World closes that IS a major hit. The fact is, (again), San Diego is not a sports town. The history of professional franchises that have departed since the late '60's could support that argument. There has been zero incentive to replace the sports arena. Up until recent times there has been little incentive to address an updated venue for college and pro football. The Padre stadium took years to finally take hold, for a franchise that was literally hours from moving to DC. If the Chargers leave it won't generate nearly the PUB the loss of two teams in LA generated. (Hell, you have to look hard for Bolt PUB as it is). But as the previous post noted, the people of the San Diego region will ultimately decide if the Chargers stay or go. Just don't think for one minute, if the Chargers leave, interest will be diverted to Aztec football. Can't agree Retired. It's been years since you've lived in San Diego. The UT lives on Chargers talk as well as Padres talk. Nobody talks about LA losing teams anymore except the NFL Commissioner who talks out of both sides of his ass. Do agree that if the Chargers leave, very few of those fans would actually give a crap about the Aztecs if they haven't already. |
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Post by SDSU-Alum2003 on Mar 14, 2015 20:08:19 GMT -8
"San Diego is known first and foremost for its weather, beaches and world-class zoo." yeahhhhhhhhhhhhhh!?!? Didn't you sense the sarcasm (w/ smiley) in my psot above? Didn't notice the sarcasm. Sorry. |
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