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Post by danloc09 on Dec 12, 2014 16:03:06 GMT -8
JJ is somewhere in between the greatest player that SDSU has ever had and the worst basketball player SDSU has ever had. Big if true
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Post by AztecBill on Dec 12, 2014 16:12:51 GMT -8
The guy misses alot of easy lay ups, not a very good rebounder for a PF, and disapears in big games. Look at all of our losses the last two years and they all have the same trend. Less than 4pts and five rebounds. For someone that plays 35 plus minutes you expect more production. They guy in is the jack of no trades. Doesnt do any thing exceptionally well. The guy shows no emotion and towards the end of the game vs long beach he was affraid to shoot. On a positive note, JJ is a good player vs lower competition. The guy looks more relax and I imagine he is the same way in practice. Nothing personal against him.. Just to stop calling him the glue guy because he is far from it. In our 17-5 run JJ was 3-3 from the field.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 12, 2014 16:15:12 GMT -8
JJ is somewhere in between the greatest player that SDSU has ever had and the worst basketball player SDSU has ever had. Your a homer
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Post by CbLsD on Dec 12, 2014 18:10:11 GMT -8
JJ is not our problem. He is a role player and has been from the start. He gets the yips, is limited offensively, is a poor FT shooter (like everyone else) and does have problems defending bigger guys. He does, however, sometimes have big games and I would venture to say has probably contributed to more wins than he has cost. The guy works his arse off and wouldn't be on the court right now we had better options.
Did anyone expect JJ to be the one to carry this team? Our issues stem from subpar play of our "go to" guys not our "glue" guy.
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Post by bigdude619 on Dec 12, 2014 18:42:22 GMT -8
JJ's height is his main issue in my opinion. O'Brien is a PF trapped in a SF body. He has good moves down low, but he can't really elevate to finish in close. It would really help him if he had a face up game. Think Kevin Garnett with all those FT line/top of the key jumpers over the years. He's a jack of all trades, master of none, type player. He gets the most out of his abilities.
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Post by fisherville on Dec 12, 2014 19:49:01 GMT -8
The JJ personal attacks are very pathetic. But I do think there are questions with how JJ and Winston play together, and don't think it is ideal they play together much.
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Post by AZK619 on Dec 12, 2014 20:07:02 GMT -8
Coach Fisher loves JJO. That is all. He will live and die with him in the starting lineup.
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Post by aztecmichael on Dec 12, 2014 21:03:40 GMT -8
Coach Fisher loves JJO. That is all. He will live and die with him in the starting lineup. 61-18 with a round of 32 loss and a sweet sixteen loss. I don't think there has been too much "dying".
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Post by bearfoot on Dec 12, 2014 21:50:32 GMT -8
People are making way too big of a deal of the bryce jones thing, so he has weed and smokes it like probably half our team does, so what? Bryce Jones started two different fights in the locker room last season at Vegas. It isn't just the dope, the dude is a dope.
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Post by bearfoot on Dec 12, 2014 21:56:34 GMT -8
JJ can do it all but isn't elite at any one skill. I'd say that his elite skill is thinking what the best basketball thing to do is. I also believe he will make a great coach one day.
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Post by bearfoot on Dec 12, 2014 21:58:51 GMT -8
The guy misses alot of easy lay ups, not a very good rebounder for a PF, and disapears in big games. Look at all of our losses the last two years and they all have the same trend. Less than 4pts and five rebounds. For someone that plays 35 plus minutes you expect more production. They guy in is the jack of no trades. Doesnt do any thing exceptionally well. The guy shows no emotion and towards the end of the game vs long beach he was affraid to shoot. On a positive note, JJ is a good player vs lower competition. The guy looks more relax and I imagine he is the same way in practice. Nothing personal against him.. Just to stop calling him the glue guy because he is far from it. He is the glue guy. You must not have read the article.
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Post by sdsuballer on Dec 13, 2014 0:15:19 GMT -8
The guy misses alot of easy lay ups, not a very good rebounder for a PF, and disapears in big games. Look at all of our losses the last two years and they all have the same trend. Less than 4pts and five rebounds. For someone that plays 35 plus minutes you expect more production. They guy in is the jack of no trades. Doesnt do any thing exceptionally well. The guy shows no emotion and towards the end of the game vs long beach he was affraid to shoot. On a positive note, JJ is a good player vs lower competition. The guy looks more relax and I imagine he is the same way in practice. Nothing personal against him.. Just to stop calling him the glue guy because he is far from it. He is the glue guy. You must not have read the article. My apologies? The guy is definetely "the glue to the ground guy. " Since Wednesday is a big game and people on this board have inspired me, I will go out on a limb and say he will have 20pts and 13 rebounds.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 13, 2014 0:22:11 GMT -8
The guy misses alot of easy lay ups, not a very good rebounder for a PF, and disapears in big games. Look at all of our losses the last two years and they all have the same trend. Less than 4pts and five rebounds. For someone that plays 35 plus minutes you expect more production. They guy in is the jack of no trades. Doesnt do any thing exceptionally well. The guy shows no emotion and towards the end of the game vs long beach he was affraid to shoot. On a positive note, JJ is a good player vs lower competition. The guy looks more relax and I imagine he is the same way in practice. Nothing personal against him.. Just to stop calling him the glue guy because he is far from it. Woa man you really don't know basketball. Based off the way you describe JJ, you would think he sucks at basketball, instead of being a constant starter on 3 straight teams ranked in the top 20 that won games in the NCAA tournament and will win multiple conference titles.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 13, 2014 6:35:50 GMT -8
JJ made some nice offensive rebounds that he actually converted. Those plays were huge. He was also involved in a crunch time turnover and airballed a critical free throw. The dude was terrible last year. Period. He struggles against teams with a good front court. He has had some really rough games against high level competition as we've seen in the NCAA tournament. Look at how he ended the season the last two years. He started both games. In the final games of his two seasons on the Mesa, he averaged one made field goal and 2.5 rebounds. This doesn't make him a terrible player. He is just a limited player.
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Post by csfoster on Dec 13, 2014 6:48:12 GMT -8
The guy misses alot of easy lay ups, not a very good rebounder for a PF, and disapears in big games. Look at all of our losses the last two years and they all have the same trend. Less than 4pts and five rebounds. For someone that plays 35 plus minutes you expect more production. They guy in is the jack of no trades. Doesnt do any thing exceptionally well. The guy shows no emotion and towards the end of the game vs long beach he was affraid to shoot. On a positive note, JJ is a good player vs lower competition. The guy looks more relax and I imagine he is the same way in practice. Nothing personal against him.. Just to stop calling him the glue guy because he is far from it. Woa man you really don't know basketball. Based off the way you describe JJ, you would think he sucks at basketball, instead of being a constant starter on 3 straight teams ranked in the top 20 that won games in the NCAA tournament and will win multiple conference titles. There is that!
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Post by longtimebooster on Dec 13, 2014 6:54:32 GMT -8
I don't think his overall game isnt appreciated, just the fact that he has such a hard time with "easy" shots. I know that no shot is really that easy at this level, but when a guy is always missing layups, and put backs, fans are going to get frustrated. that is all. This. Exactly. Can't be missing so many close shots. He's like the golfer on a par 5 who drives the ball 300 yards. Hits a nice draw around a tree to put him right in front of the green. Then hits a beautiful chip shot that lands 6 feet from the hole. Then lips out and leaves the ball 2 feet from the pin. Then yips that putt, too, before finally sinking it. Turns a birdie into a bogey. Not good.
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Post by KDub on Dec 13, 2014 7:06:31 GMT -8
I'm considerably more tired of the negative posts from the same posters each and every time JJ misses a shot than I am from JJ missing the shot itself.
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Post by standiego on Dec 13, 2014 8:55:14 GMT -8
We all have our favorites and guys we think get too much PT and we enjoy pointing out their short comings . JJ is Fisher's favorite player , so he gets the most PT and lately since we have no go to guy , the coaches set up plays for him to take the last shot . Fisher likes him because of his high basketball IQ , he does numerous things well but not excellent . As noted he is a tweener not a real PF or SF , since we do not have a true PF that is where he is playing , he uses his high IQ to compensate for not being as athletic as the majority of the other guys on the team . He can play well against normal PF's but has problems with strong or quick PF's . He has a very good move to the basket But can not FINISH with authority - too much finesse and not enough hops to slam it home . So I would judge him on if he scores the basket or if we watch as it bounces off the rim . We see too many opportunities missed for a team that has trouble scoring , if we scored a lot of points it may not seem important but it is for this team - we need scorers . He is not the only one who does not finish but as a fifth year senior "glue" guy he should know , you do not get credit for style points but points that go on the board . He should not be the go to guy on offense but until Shepard , Polee , or ......... are consistent enough the coaches will try to get JJ the ball with set plays . The way they did at the end of regulation of the BYU game . He is a player that relies on his BB IQ and is not that athletic player that many of us wish we had . He Did well against an average LB front line but also missed an important opportunity to make the first FT at the end then knew enough to miss the second . If he makes both FT 's then we are in even better situation . JJ is an even natured guy that we should realize is at his ceiling for playing ability , the calm guy , so we take that and hope some of the more athletic guys step up and perform at a higher level . JJ is a great guy but we end up judging guys on if our teams wins a game and then what each player contributes to the W or what they did not do in a Loss . We have done that with numerous other players and it will continue , but as we all hope , we get a lot more W's and few L's . I hope JJ does well , but hope we get even better play from some of the other players , who we are going to need to really step up on the offensive production for the team to reach its goals .
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Post by Deleted on Dec 13, 2014 9:18:42 GMT -8
JJ does what he can to help this team 100% of the time. He plays smart and positions himself well. We have been thin in the front court during his time here so that is where he typically contributes. Only a fool would hate JJ. I understand wanting to see more tangible results from his position but you can't blame a guy for doing everything he can to help this team. For better or worse he is and has been our best option at the four.
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Post by 12414 on Dec 13, 2014 9:23:28 GMT -8
Those on here that DON'T think JJ is the glue guy, are sniffing glue.
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