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Post by AztecWilliam on Oct 15, 2014 10:49:08 GMT -8
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Post by aztecwin on Oct 15, 2014 12:44:33 GMT -8
Heard a discussion yesterday on this issue. It seems that Canada is also building a pipeline to their East Coast to allow for export to Europe as well as the pipeline to British Columbia for Asia access. One big point made was that Bakken Oil would be shipped by tanker or rail at a bigger risk to the environment than the Keystone pipeline would be.
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Post by kctxr on Dec 21, 2014 8:32:46 GMT -8
I understand the premise that this would be an infrastructure project to assist in moving Canadian Tar Sands oil. I also understand an environmental risk with leaking & aquifer contamination (this can be mostly mitigated and managed). Not that my vote matters, but I do vote, I would vote to approve the construction of the remaining northern segment of this pipeline. I think that long term, other petroleum sources will become less costly to process than the tar sands, thus re-purposing the pipeline to some other petroleum source, such as North Dakota.
On a long term strategic investment, the initial capital would be high and paid for by others and will have somewhat minimal maintenance. So this is a good infrastructure investment, which can help lots of situations. Not exactly the same, but could we draw a comparison to the Eisenhower Interstate system investment. Hmmm. I would not use the California Bullet Train infrastructure project as a comparison...mostly because I don't think it is going to turn our well.
Anyway, Good morning, G^3
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Post by azteceric on Dec 26, 2014 9:47:32 GMT -8
Heard a discussion yesterday on this issue. It seems that Canada is also building a pipeline to their East Coast to allow for export to Europe as well as the pipeline to British Columbia for Asia access. One big point made was that Bakken Oil would be shipped by tanker or rail at a bigger risk to the environment than the Keystone pipeline would be. True, environmentalists don't seem to understand that if this pipeline doesn't come through the US then it will go elsewhere with much greater impact to the environment. Read earlier it would go to Russia most likely then sold to China. Russia has the equipment for refining. Global warming apparently is just an American issue though and if we stop the project here then it won't happen anywhere else.... |
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Post by aztecmusician on Jan 7, 2015 13:03:31 GMT -8
Congress is going to try again and Obama has vowed to veto. Only the environmental fringe of the Democratic Party opposes The Keystone Pipeline, there may be enough votes to overturn a veto.
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Post by AlwaysAnAztec on Jan 7, 2015 14:01:06 GMT -8
Congress is going to try again and Obama has vowed to veto. Only the environmental fringe of the Democratic Party opposes The Keystone Pipeline, there may be enough votes to overturn a veto. You mean the same 'environmental fringe' that the Republican Governor of Nebraska belongs to? He also opposes the current route. Edit: TransCanada, in late 2013, redrew its route through Nebraska to avoid the most sensitive pars of the Sandhills region and the Ogallala aquifer. The Governor no longer opposes the pipeline. The issue is now in the Nebraska Supreme Court. Obama has said that he is waiting for the court's decision before making his. My bad. |
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Post by aztecwin on Jan 10, 2015 11:03:26 GMT -8
Congress is going to try again and Obama has vowed to veto. Only the environmental fringe of the Democratic Party opposes The Keystone Pipeline, there may be enough votes to overturn a veto. You mean the same 'environmental fringe' that the Republican Governor of Nebraska belongs to? He also opposes the current route. Edit: TransCanada, in late 2013, redrew its route through Nebraska to avoid the most sensitive pars of the Sandhills region and the Ogallala aquifer. The Governor no longer opposes the pipeline. The issue is now in the Nebraska Supreme Court. Obama has said that he is waiting for the court's decision before making his. My bad. The Nebraska Supreme Court has rendered it's decision. No more road blocks to the flow of oil and the creation of jobs other than a bull headed executive branch. Let us see how it goes next week. www.cbsnews.com/news/nebraska-supreme-court-ruling-removes-hurdle-to-keystone-pipeline/Will the lunatic left prevail or will common sense expansion of the economy through jobs take the day? |
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Post by AlwaysAnAztec on Jan 12, 2015 9:28:44 GMT -8
Now that the Nebraska supreme court has ruled, I believe that the administration probably will remove it's objections and approve the pipeline.
That said, I find it funny that Cons who are violently against eminent domain by the government have no problems with a private company using it.
It should also be noted that the oil which will be pumped through the pipeline is destined for export, not use within the U.S.
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Post by aztecwin on Jan 12, 2015 13:01:21 GMT -8
Now that the Nebraska supreme court has ruled, I believe that the administration probably will remove it's objections and approve the pipeline. That said, I find it funny that Cons who are violently against eminent domain by the government have no problems with a private company using it. It should also be noted that the oil which will be pumped through the pipeline is destined for export, not use within the U.S. What is it about oil being "fungible" and creating jobs do you not understand? |
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Post by hbaztec on Jan 12, 2015 13:04:46 GMT -8
Now that the Nebraska supreme court has ruled, I believe that the administration probably will remove it's objections and approve the pipeline. That said, I find it funny that Cons who are violently against eminent domain by the government have no problems with a private company using it. It should also be noted that the oil which will be pumped through the pipeline is destined for export, not use within the U.S. What is it about oil being "fungible" and creating jobs do you not understand? A whopping 35 jobs. Sent from my SM-G900V using proboards |
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Post by AlwaysAnAztec on Jan 12, 2015 13:24:22 GMT -8
Now that the Nebraska supreme court has ruled, I believe that the administration probably will remove it's objections and approve the pipeline. That said, I find it funny that Cons who are violently against eminent domain by the government have no problems with a private company using it. It should also be noted that the oil which will be pumped through the pipeline is destined for export, not use within the U.S. What is it about oil being "fungible" and creating jobs do you not understand? The pipeline will create a few thousand temporary construction jobs over the next four years. >> Link <<And yes, I do understand the word "fungible". So what. I really could care less if Japan uses Canadian oil or Saudi oil. The U.S. doesn't export oil so it has no effect on us. |
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Post by aztecwin on Jan 12, 2015 16:59:17 GMT -8
What is it about oil being "fungible" and creating jobs do you not understand? The pipeline will create a few thousand temporary construction jobs over the next four years. >> Link <<And yes, I do understand the word "fungible". So what. I really could care less if Japan uses Canadian oil or Saudi oil. The U.S. doesn't export oil so it has no effect on us. Nine Thousand Shovel-Ready Jobs Keystone XL is the definition of shovel-ready infrastructure project. Almost overnight, Keystone XL could put 9,000 hard-working American men and women directly to work. The U.S. State Department’s Final Supplemental Environmental Impact Statement (PDF, 4 MB) found that the project would support more than 42,000 direct and indirect jobs nationwide. - See more at: keystone-xl.com/about/jobs-and-economic-benefits/#sthash.8aDMkv0r.dpufkeystone-xl.com/about/jobs-and-economic-benefits/Your comment shows you do not understand "fungible". an you tell me what kind of construction jobs are not temp? The millions that build roads, houses, and yes pipelines are all working temp jobs. Every job counts and the residual jobs however many all help. |
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Post by hbaztec on Jan 13, 2015 6:23:06 GMT -8
What is it about oil being "fungible" and creating jobs do you not understand? The pipeline will create a few thousand temporary construction jobs over the next four years. >> Link <<And yes, I do understand the word "fungible". So what. I really could care less if Japan uses Canadian oil or Saudi oil. The U.S. doesn't export oil so it has no effect on us. What is the USA number one export? Sent from my SM-G900V using proboards |
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Post by aztecwin on Jan 13, 2015 13:44:55 GMT -8
The pipeline will create a few thousand temporary construction jobs over the next four years. >> Link <<And yes, I do understand the word "fungible". So what. I really could care less if Japan uses Canadian oil or Saudi oil. The U.S. doesn't export oil so it has no effect on us. What is the USA number one export? Sent from my SM-G900V using proboards Machinery www.worldstopexports.com/united-states-top-10-exports/2001Oil type things are the fastest growing. What is your point or reason for the question? |
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