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Post by Deleted on Sept 28, 2014 13:42:17 GMT -8
Sorry, I was not clear. The stat doesn't embarrass me. The fact that we would be forced to reach for something arcane and unimportant to the public to find "glee", is what embarrasses me. And yet you refer to it as a "continued unimpressive record on the field." If the 31st best winning percentage in college football over the past 4 years is unimpressive, what kind or record would impress you? the only facts that exist are the ones based in his emotional mindset, all others are false or misleading.
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Post by myownwords on Sept 28, 2014 13:48:47 GMT -8
Sorry, I was not clear. The stat doesn't embarrass me. The fact that we would be forced to reach for something arcane and unimportant to the public to find "glee", is what embarrasses me. And yet you refer to it as a "continued unimpressive record on the field." If the 31st best winning percentage in college football over the past 4 years is unimpressive, what kind or record would impress you? Okay, I truly did not intend to argue with you. I know that you, and many others are wanting to be positive, looking for reasons to be proud of our accomplishments, but I can't get on board that particular train to irrelevance. If it weren't for some truly disastrous years of Chuck Long and Craft, there would be no one (in my opinion) even remotely "excited" about anything Rocky Long and Sterk are doing, because we'd have only incrementally better results and going nowhere---except to Potato Bowls, which didn't even exist 10 years ago. Hoke gave us a fleeting glimpse of what could be, and this administration blew the opportunity to reach, and instead went for stasis, instead of greatness.
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Post by myownwords on Sept 28, 2014 13:51:26 GMT -8
And yet you refer to it as a "continued unimpressive record on the field." If the 31st best winning percentage in college football over the past 4 years is unimpressive, what kind or record would impress you? the only facts that exist are the ones based in his emotional mindset, all others are false or misleading. Philosophical now? How many times must I include a disclaimer, "just my opinion"? Or some variant of it. With your caustic phrasing, it appears that that affliction is yours, not mine.
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Post by hbaztec on Sept 28, 2014 16:05:33 GMT -8
Because you highjack every thread with the same crap. We know where you stand.
Sent from my DROID RAZR using proboards
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Post by gocoaztec on Sept 28, 2014 17:13:22 GMT -8
Please don't feed the MOW-Troll.
Go Aztecs!
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Post by myownwords on Sept 28, 2014 17:21:56 GMT -8
Because you highjack every thread with the same crap. We know where you stand. Sent from my DROID RAZR using proboards Then you disagree? Okay. But you offer no support for your position, just aspersion.
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Post by fanhood on Sept 28, 2014 18:18:56 GMT -8
My Own Words,
8, 9, and 8. Those numbers stand for the wins per season with Rocky as the coach. 25. that number stands for the number of wins of the three year period that Rocky has been the HC. The last time we won more than 25 games in a three year period, was 1975 to 1977 when Coach Claude Gilbert led us to 8, 10 and 10 wins. And before you use the tired argument that we now play in the a watered down MW, so it is a bad comparison, let me remind you that from 1975 to 1977, we beat the likes of North Texas, Ca State Fullerton, Pacific, and Long Beach. You tell me if we play a tougher schedule now, or then.
Additionally, what you and many other fans fail to see is the increased talent that we have on the field. It was obvious against North Carolina that we were the better team. When was the last time we could say we were the more talented team on the field when we were on the road against the ACC?
Finally, Rocky has lead us to a MW conference championship, and would have won the Pacific Division last year had we had a FG kicker.
We are not in the Pac 12. We are in the MW, and are one of the best teams in the conference. We are in position to win anywhere between 8 and 10 games this season. Enjoy, and stop being delusional.
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Post by OnionHead on Sept 28, 2014 18:22:50 GMT -8
Because you highjack every thread with the same crap. We know where you stand. Sent from my DROID RAZR using proboards Then you disagree? Okay. But you offer no support for your position, just aspersion. Such a huuuuge drain on the board. Nuke MOW the troll.
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Post by hbaztec on Sept 28, 2014 18:49:12 GMT -8
Because you highjack every thread with the same crap. We know where you stand. Sent from my DROID RAZR using proboards Then you disagree? Okay. But you offer no support for your position, just aspersion. Your complete body of work states my position. Yes?
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Post by myownwords on Sept 28, 2014 20:35:08 GMT -8
My Own Words, 8, 9, and 8. Those numbers stand for the wins per season with Rocky as the coach. 25. that number stands for the number of wins of the three year period that Rocky has been the HC. The last time we won more than 25 games in a three year period, was 1975 to 1977 when Coach Claude Gilbert led us to 8, 10 and 10 wins. And before you use the tired argument that we now play in the a watered down MW, so it is a bad comparison, let me remind you that from 1975 to 1977, we beat the likes of North Texas, Ca State Fullerton, Pacific, and Long Beach. You tell me if we play a tougher schedule now, or then. Additionally, what you and many other fans fail to see is the increased talent that we have on the field. It was obvious against North Carolina that we were the better team. When was the last time we could say we were the more talented team on the field when we were on the road against the ACC? Finally, Rocky has lead us to a MW conference championship, and would have won the Pacific Division last year had we had a FG kicker. We are not in the Pac 12. We are in the MW, and are one of the best teams in the conference. We are in position to win anywhere between 8 and 10 games this season. Enjoy, and stop being delusional. There are so many misrepresentations in your recital, that I don't have time to help you. I'll just say that we obviously don't see the same history.
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Post by fanhood on Sept 29, 2014 2:54:01 GMT -8
Hahahaha. I mostly stayed stated simple facts.
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Post by fanhood on Sept 29, 2014 5:39:37 GMT -8
My Own Words, 8, 9, and 8. Those numbers stand for the wins per season with Rocky as the coach. 25. that number stands for the number of wins of the three year period that Rocky has been the HC. The last time we won more than 25 games in a three year period, was 1975 to 1977 when Coach Claude Gilbert led us to 8, 10 and 10 wins. And before you use the tired argument that we now play in the a watered down MW, so it is a bad comparison, let me remind you that from 1975 to 1977, we beat the likes of North Texas, Ca State Fullerton, Pacific, and Long Beach. You tell me if we play a tougher schedule now, or then. Additionally, what you and many other fans fail to see is the increased talent that we have on the field. It was obvious against North Carolina that we were the better team. When was the last time we could say we were the more talented team on the field when we were on the road against the ACC? Finally, Rocky has lead us to a MW conference championship, and would have won the Pacific Division last year had we had a FG kicker. We are not in the Pac 12. We are in the MW, and are one of the best teams in the conference. We are in position to win anywhere between 8 and 10 games this season. Enjoy, and stop being delusional. There are so many misrepresentations in your recital, that I don't have time to help you. I'll just say that we obviously don't see the same history. MOW, If we finish 9-3 (7-1) this season, with a birth in the MW Championship game, will you at least acknowledge that Rocky is doing a good job as the CEO of our program?
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Post by myownwords on Sept 29, 2014 10:16:50 GMT -8
There are so many misrepresentations in your recital, that I don't have time to help you. I'll just say that we obviously don't see the same history. MOW, If we finish 9-3 (7-1) this season, with a birth in the MW Championship game, will you at least acknowledge that Rocky is doing a good job as the CEO of our program? I am sure you mean well, but to me it's a trap question. But I'll bite. He's had the program (in my view) on idle, since Hoke left. Many think that's good or even great. I've already said what I think. But, yes 9-3 and the MWC Championship would be a good thing and Rocky would have shown he can finally take the program on long baby step, up. And as to a "good job as CEO"? I guess that would have to depend on us agreeing on the definition of that title. In my definition, neither Long, nor Sterk get good ratings even if we won the championship. That would require next year's announcements on scheduling, conference affiliations--or plan for the future, ability to finally attract at least one big donor to the football program (someone not named Ron Fowler), winning against good P5 teams.
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Post by HighNTight on Sept 29, 2014 10:21:27 GMT -8
MOW, If we finish 9-3 (7-1) this season, with a birth in the MW Championship game, will you at least acknowledge that Rocky is doing a good job as the CEO of our program? I am sure you mean well, but to me it's a trap question. But I'll bite. He's had the program (in my view) on idle, since Hoke left. Many think that's good or even great. I've already said what I think. But, yes 9-3 and the MWC Championship would be a good thing and Rocky would have shown he can finally take the program on long baby step, up. And as to a "good job as CEO"? I guess that would have to depend on us agreeing on the definition of that title. In my definition, neither Long, nor Sterk get good ratings even if we won the championship. That would require next year's announcements on scheduling, conference affiliations--or plan for the future, ability to finally attract at least one big donor to the football program (someone not named Ron Fowler), winning against good P5 teams. translation: maybe, but will find something else to complain about regarding Coach Long, AD Sterk & President Hirshman so as not to have to admit anything.
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Post by myownwords on Sept 29, 2014 11:05:39 GMT -8
I am sure you mean well, but to me it's a trap question. But I'll bite. He's had the program (in my view) on idle, since Hoke left. Many think that's good or even great. I've already said what I think. But, yes 9-3 and the MWC Championship would be a good thing and Rocky would have shown he can finally take the program on long baby step, up. And as to a "good job as CEO"? I guess that would have to depend on us agreeing on the definition of that title. In my definition, neither Long, nor Sterk get good ratings even if we won the championship. That would require next year's announcements on scheduling, conference affiliations--or plan for the future, ability to finally attract at least one big donor to the football program (someone not named Ron Fowler), winning against good P5 teams. translation: maybe, but will find something else to complain about regarding Coach Long, AD Sterk & President Hirshman so as not to have to admit anything. Hmmm. Your deductive powers show some fatigue, if not decrepitude.
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Post by HighNTight on Sept 29, 2014 11:10:27 GMT -8
translation: maybe, but will find something else to complain about regarding Coach Long, AD Sterk & President Hirshman so as not to have to admit anything. Hmmm. Your deductive powers show some fatigue, if not decrepitude. translation: the previous translation was accurate enough that it could not be denied or disproven
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Post by Deleted on Sept 29, 2014 11:16:27 GMT -8
And yet you refer to it as a "continued unimpressive record on the field." If the 31st best winning percentage in college football over the past 4 years is unimpressive, what kind or record would impress you? Okay, I truly did not intend to argue with you. I know that you, and many others are wanting to be positive, looking for reasons to be proud of our accomplishments, but I can't get on board that particular train to irrelevance. If it weren't for some truly disastrous years of Chuck Long and Craft, there would be no one (in my opinion) even remotely "excited" about anything Rocky Long and Sterk are doing, because we'd have only incrementally better results and going nowhere---except to Potato Bowls, which didn't even exist 10 years ago. Hoke gave us a fleeting glimpse of what could be, and this administration blew the opportunity to reach, and instead went for stasis, instead of greatness. Why do you say Hoke gave SDSU a glimpse of what could be. He never beat a good team in his two years here, and he won a "potato level" bowl against a mediocre team. Rocky has done markedly better than Hoke did here (or anywhere else for that matter - check out how things are going in MI about now), so while you have told everyone 1000x that you believe Rocky is insufficient, your point about Hoke is ridiculous.
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Post by danpatrick on Sept 29, 2014 11:25:08 GMT -8
Just out of curiousity, when did it become mandatory to toe the company line and drink the kool-aid on this board?
MOW has a different opinion than many. If you don't like it, don't respond to it.It's that simple.
Those that paint him out to be the second coming of the anti-christ for voicing an opinion that doesn't parallel theirs need to relax. Some have expectations that are lower than others. Some higher. Nothing wrong with that, but why take shots at a guy whose bar and expectations to all things football related are raised higher than most here?
You may not like the message, but imagine this board if everyone here accepted continued mediocrity.
To accept the status quo with the FB program (as many are happy to do), may work for some, but not others. To challenge actions and deeds of administration doesn't make someone a "naysayer", simply one with a different perspective.
I for one appreciate the fact that MOW isn't satisfied with Aztec football "treading water", and isn't afraid to question those who are. Don't let the Bast**rds get you down MOW.
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Post by myownwords on Sept 29, 2014 11:41:12 GMT -8
Okay, I truly did not intend to argue with you. I know that you, and many others are wanting to be positive, looking for reasons to be proud of our accomplishments, but I can't get on board that particular train to irrelevance. If it weren't for some truly disastrous years of Chuck Long and Craft, there would be no one (in my opinion) even remotely "excited" about anything Rocky Long and Sterk are doing, because we'd have only incrementally better results and going nowhere---except to Potato Bowls, which didn't even exist 10 years ago. Hoke gave us a fleeting glimpse of what could be, and this administration blew the opportunity to reach, and instead went for stasis, instead of greatness. Why do you say Hoke gave SDSU a glimpse of what could be. He never beat a good team in his two years here, and he won a "potato level" bowl against a mediocre team. Rocky has done markedly better than Hoke did here (or anywhere else for that matter - check out how things are going in MI about now), so while you have told everyone 1000x that you believe Rocky is insufficient, your point about Hoke is ridiculous. If you truly don't see the spark that Hoke created, versus the utter torpor with which Rocky Retread has afflicted Sterk and some fans, then I'm sorry for you. I cannot help you.
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Post by myownwords on Sept 29, 2014 11:43:49 GMT -8
Just out of curiousity, when did it become mandatory to toe the company line and drink the kool-aid on this board? MOW has a different opinion than many. If you don't like it, don't respond to it.It's that simple. Those that paint him out to be the second coming of the anti-christ for voicing an opinion that doesn't parallel theirs need to relax. Some have expectations that are lower than others. Some higher. Nothing wrong with that, but why take shots at a guy whose bar and expectations to all things football related are raised higher than most here? You may not like the message, but imagine this board if everyone here accepted continued mediocrity. To accept the status quo with the FB program (as many are happy to do), may work for some, but not others. To challenge actions and deeds of administration doesn't make someone a "naysayer", simply one with a different perspective. I for one appreciate the fact that MOW isn't satisfied with Aztec football "treading water", and isn't afraid to question those who are. Don't let the Bast**rds get you down MOW. Appreciate it. But you may have thrust yourself into one of the Hydra's nesting places.
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