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Post by aztecwin on Jul 8, 2014 11:53:54 GMT -8
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Post by AlwaysAnAztec on Jul 8, 2014 12:15:34 GMT -8
I like it when you are so succinct.  Edit: I guess there is an image here. Must be blocked. |
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Post by aztec70 on Jul 8, 2014 12:25:28 GMT -8
What makes anyone think the refined products will stay in the USA? A lot of it will be exported and not be used by us at all. Our energy exports are rising. The oil that is being shipped in the northern pipeline goes to refinerys in the Midwest. I suspect that the refined products are entering our domestic market. The refinerys on the Gulf Coast will be exporting much of it.
Here is a suggestion for the Canadians. Forget the oil. Think about water. In the long run it is far more valuable than oil. Canada has vast amounts of water. In fact the only reason the tar sand oil is a factor at all is all the water in Canada makes processing the tar sands doable. Why not sell us your water, Canada?
How about this, build a pipeline to carry water to the headwaters of the Colorado river. The states in the southwest are very dry and we would all be happy to buy Canadian water.
Think outside the box, Canada.
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Post by azteccc on Jul 8, 2014 13:09:03 GMT -8
I am not particularly against Keystone, not particularly for it.
But for you, or Jodi Miller (whomever that is), to believe it would affect American gasoline prices by one cent is completely asinine - sorry to burst that bubble.
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Post by AztecBill on Jul 10, 2014 12:59:28 GMT -8
What makes anyone think the refined products will stay in the USA? A lot of it will be exported and not be used by us at all. Our energy exports are rising. The oil that is being shipped in the northern pipeline goes to refinerys in the Midwest. I suspect that the refined products are entering our domestic market. The refinerys on the Gulf Coast will be exporting much of it. Here is a suggestion for the Canadians. Forget the oil. Think about water. In the long run it is far more valuable than oil. Canada has vast amounts of water. In fact the only reason the tar sand oil is a factor at all is all the water in Canada makes processing the tar sands doable. Why not sell us your water, Canada? How about this, build a pipeline to carry water to the headwaters of the Colorado river. The states in the southwest are very dry and we would all be happy to buy Canadian water. Think outside the box, Canada. Desalination along the coast is cheaper and better because it will start closer to the user. Canada will build a pipeline to the east (recently approved) and ship the crude oil to Asia. The US will ship oil via rail which is much more likely to have problems. Not approving the pipeline was stupid. |
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Post by azteccc on Jul 10, 2014 14:05:53 GMT -8
The US will ship oil via rail which is much more likely to have problems. This is not a factual statement. |
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Post by aztec70 on Jul 10, 2014 15:03:11 GMT -8
What makes anyone think the refined products will stay in the USA? A lot of it will be exported and not be used by us at all. Our energy exports are rising. The oil that is being shipped in the northern pipeline goes to refinerys in the Midwest. I suspect that the refined products are entering our domestic market. The refinerys on the Gulf Coast will be exporting much of it. Here is a suggestion for the Canadians. Forget the oil. Think about water. In the long run it is far more valuable than oil. Canada has vast amounts of water. In fact the only reason the tar sand oil is a factor at all is all the water in Canada makes processing the tar sands doable. Why not sell us your water, Canada? How about this, build a pipeline to carry water to the headwaters of the Colorado river. The states in the southwest are very dry and we would all be happy to buy Canadian water. Think outside the box, Canada. Desalination along the coast is cheaper and better because it will start closer to the user. Canada will build a pipeline to the east (recently approved) and ship the crude oil to Asia. The US will ship oil via rail which is much more likely to have problems. Not approving the pipeline was stupid. Using the NW Passage in the summer? |
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Post by AztecBill on Jul 10, 2014 15:08:25 GMT -8
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Post by AztecBill on Jul 10, 2014 15:09:35 GMT -8
Desalination along the coast is cheaper and better because it will start closer to the user. Canada will build a pipeline to the east (recently approved) and ship the crude oil to Asia. The US will ship oil via rail which is much more likely to have problems. Not approving the pipeline was stupid. Using the NW Passage in the summer? Typical flat Earth thinking of Warmists  |
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Post by AztecBill on Jul 10, 2014 15:10:39 GMT -8
Once the pipeline is totally defunct the greens will begin trying to stop shipping oil by rail.
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Post by azteccc on Jul 10, 2014 15:14:14 GMT -8
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Post by aztecwin on Jul 10, 2014 15:24:46 GMT -8
Desalination along the coast is cheaper and better because it will start closer to the user. Canada will build a pipeline to the east (recently approved) and ship the crude oil to Asia. The US will ship oil via rail which is much more likely to have problems. Not approving the pipeline was stupid. Using the NW Passage in the summer? I am sure he meant west to near Vancouver B.C. and not east. |
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Post by azteccc on Jul 10, 2014 15:27:45 GMT -8
Using the NW Passage in the summer? I am sure he meant west to near Vancouver B.C. and not east. He meant to the east. Though I believe plans are also in the works to go west as well. |
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Post by aztecwin on Jul 10, 2014 15:27:51 GMT -8
I am not particularly against Keystone, not particularly for it. But for you, or Jodi Miller (whomever that is), to believe it would affect American gasoline prices by one cent is completely asinine - sorry to burst that bubble. OK Bubble Buster, just what do you base that statement upon? |
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Post by azteccc on Jul 10, 2014 15:34:48 GMT -8
I am not particularly against Keystone, not particularly for it. But for you, or Jodi Miller (whomever that is), to believe it would affect American gasoline prices by one cent is completely asinine - sorry to burst that bubble. OK Bubble Buster, just what do you base that statement upon? The fact that the price of oil is set on the worldwide market, and nothing about transporting it through America to be shipped out of the gulf would affect that. Right now it is sold at a discount because of the difficulty of access - Keystone would only increase the price paid to producers. Consumer energy/gas prices would not change one way or the other, including domestically. edit:: Besides because Glenn Beck said so (or whoever you get your info from these days), why do you think it would? There isn't a basis for that belief... anywhere, really. edit again:: We are already the world's largest producer of oil, a recent development due to (mostly) fracking. Has that recent trend correlated to lower gas prices? |
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Post by AztecBill on Jul 10, 2014 16:00:48 GMT -8
You are using data from the Association of American Railroads. So being a little skeptical is in order. I believe XL was to use new technology that should make them much safer and they were planning to bury most all of it - again making it even safer. |
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Post by aztecwin on Jul 10, 2014 16:01:17 GMT -8
OK Bubble Buster, just what do you base that statement upon? The fact that the price of oil is set on the worldwide market, and nothing about transporting it through America to be shipped out of the gulf would affect that. Right now it is sold at a discount because of the difficulty of access - Keystone would only increase the price paid to producers. Consumer energy/gas prices would not change one way or the other, including domestically. edit:: Besides because Glenn Beck said so (or whoever you get your info from these days), why do you think it would? There isn't a basis for that belief... anywhere, really. edit again:: We are already the world's largest producer of oil, a recent development due to (mostly) fracking. Has that recent trend correlated to lower gas prices? OK, good points, but since oil is fungible and an increase in production and efficiency of delivery to market will affect the supply demand curve, prices will vary. But you know that. What you are probably thinking is that the price will just be artificially kept high by restricting availability from some sources and regulation. A real free market will result in lower prices. You might have a point about minimal effect of Keystone, but it will have some effect. |
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Post by aztec70 on Jul 10, 2014 16:02:41 GMT -8
Using the NW Passage in the summer? Typical flat Earth thinking of Warmists Flat earth? That is funny coming from someone who denys science. |
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Post by AztecBill on Jul 10, 2014 16:04:31 GMT -8
Typical flat Earth thinking of Warmists Flat earth? That is funny coming from someone who denys science. "Denys(sic) science"? I think not. I just don't fall for bad science. |
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Post by aztec70 on Jul 10, 2014 16:06:56 GMT -8
Flat earth? That is funny coming from someone who denys science. "Denys(sic) science"? I think not. I just don't fall for bad science. Yes, denys. I see no reason to follow convention and write denies. Waste of a keystroke. |
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