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Post by RockNFish on Jan 15, 2013 13:15:11 GMT -8
Its a game of catch-22 - we don't have confirmed information to know if we're making the right decision (actual TV $ for either conference).
If you go with the BE and the $$ are pretty good (say 3.5+M for football only) there is a good chance we could attract another western team. If they are in the $2M range then we just have to hope the BE doesnt get completely raided (thinking the TX schools need to be there) or we're really screwed.
Personnaly I think the BE $$ will be there, but that's a pretty big bet to make.
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Post by guyfawkes on Jan 15, 2013 13:27:37 GMT -8
I'm a big Big East/West hardcore fan, because I think its the right course of action for SDSU athletics as a whole and hope Sterk sees this too. With that being said, the only way we join the Big East/BWest is if Aresco really wants us in the conference or we would have announced that we would be going into the Big East by now. Part of the reason is without Boise there is really no incentive for other schools to join us and make a Western division. UNLV cares about basketball and has little respect for football so I doubt they ever see a future in the Big East. Fresno really can't afford to make such a move and then have it fall apart because Big East lost two more lead schools. SDSU could probably go independent and sell a package football/basketball games to who ever wants them, but this won't last long, as the athletic funds will probably run out after 3 years or so. So we basically have no leverage at this point. But at least we have a fighting chance in the Big East, and moving to the MWC is a horrible decision that we will regret for many years into the future. Not convince? Please hear me out. I still think nBE is the path to go. SDSU needs to distant itself and become its own identity and the BE offers this. Exposure and money is horrible in the MWC. How many national games is SDSU going to get? Maybe 1 if were lucky, which would be played on a Friday for 300k. Is it possible to get into a BCS game next season? Maybe, but most likely not, unless we are ranked next season and some how make it to the top 14/16 and become the conference champion. Since no more than one Non-AQ conference team is allowed we basically are competing with every non-BCS auto bid conference team for rankings. ESPN loves Boise so we would have to make it evident that we are better than everyone else including Boise to get into a BCS, because we will not get votes that easily. Best case scenario is we beat either Ohio or Oregon and beat Boise twice or beat Ohio and Oregon and beat Boise once. Can it be done will see but our chances don't look good. Keep in mind we could only lose once, maybe then we will go to a BCS game if were ranked in the top 16 or 14 (can't remember). If we can't achieve this then MWC is very bad for us, with no exposure and lack of profit. Big East offers us more. Being in the BE means we have a better shot at a BCS game and better exposure out East. With Oregon and Ohio State we could manage a respectable ranking or at least be in the top 20 and the TV deal will most likely be better for us 3-6 million for each school. We need quality wins and BE assures this by giving us decent to quality teams to play against. Anything could happen but I am 80 percent sure that Big East will stay intact for 1 more years. Staying in the MWC doesn't ensure us BCS birth and thus a lot of money. I doubt we even get close to being ranked. Basketball will be fine. Basketball started small and had no 4 star recruits in the beginning. Had little fan support and what changed that? Winning, so if we keep wining in the Big West then we will still get a decent amount of good recruits, and decent amount of exposure. Basketball won't be big until we reach the Final 4 or get a National Championship, so it doesn't matter what conference we are in. We just have to win, and win with style. Going to the Big East wont kill our basketball program. Those of you that think so are delusional and know nothing about public relations and what makes a good basketball program. In the end its about what will propel SDSU into the Pac 12 or Big 12. Winning, but we won't win enough in the MWC to get the credibility to help us get to the next step in SDSU athletics. But a 10-2 record in the Big East just might get us there. Jim Sterk needs to make the Big East our priority. Once in a life time a school has a chance to make the right choice that will benefit the school and not just the athletic department. Once in a life time a person has a chance to choose the course of action that will greatly help their school become great. The crossroad is here and Jim Sterk has two choices to make. Sterk needs to rise above all others and choose the path that he thinks is best for SDSU, but I hope he chooses the Big East. And to those that hate SDSU right now I say this; "Remember, always give your best. Never get discouraged. Never be petty. Always remember, others may hate you. But those who hate you don't win unless you hate them. And then you destroy yourself" -Nixon Please leave your opinions as I like to hear what other may think about our move after reading this and don't forget to vote. LOL looks like you are the delusional one buddy. |
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Post by Yoda on Jan 15, 2013 13:41:50 GMT -8
I'm going to ask a really stupid question -- in fact a series of them...
~ Is BYU in or out?
~ Are Houston & SMU coming with? Are Cincinnait & UConn?
~ What do the consultants project the television money to look like from each of the conferences?
~ Are they treating us fairly in taking us back or are they screwing us?
~ What do the coaches think of the impact of one conference vs. the other?
~ What does EH think -- since it's his decision and not yours anyway?
I feel like I've made this post before. How can anybody make an informed choice to a poll question like this when nobody is informed?
I think 20aztec06 nailed it. About all you can say (to EH, not Sterk) is "Thanks for working hard on this matter. Make the best possible decision for the University as a whole with the facts you know at the time you have to make the final choice".
Maybe that and, "Good Luck!"
Yoda out...
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Post by sdsu4lifealmost on Jan 15, 2013 13:53:58 GMT -8
I'm a big Big East/West hardcore fan, because I think its the right course of action for SDSU athletics as a whole and hope Sterk sees this too. With that being said, the only way we join the Big East/BWest is if Aresco really wants us in the conference or we would have announced that we would be going into the Big East by now. Part of the reason is without Boise there is really no incentive for other schools to join us and make a Western division. UNLV cares about basketball and has little respect for football so I doubt they ever see a future in the Big East. Fresno really can't afford to make such a move and then have it fall apart because Big East lost two more lead schools. SDSU could probably go independent and sell a package football/basketball games to who ever wants them, but this won't last long, as the athletic funds will probably run out after 3 years or so. So we basically have no leverage at this point. But at least we have a fighting chance in the Big East, and moving to the MWC is a horrible decision that we will regret for many years into the future. Not convince? Please hear me out. I still think nBE is the path to go. SDSU needs to distant itself and become its own identity and the BE offers this. Exposure and money is horrible in the MWC. How many national games is SDSU going to get? Maybe 1 if were lucky, which would be played on a Friday for 300k. Is it possible to get into a BCS game next season? Maybe, but most likely not, unless we are ranked next season and some how make it to the top 14/16 and become the conference champion. Since no more than one Non-AQ conference team is allowed we basically are competing with every non-BCS auto bid conference team for rankings. ESPN loves Boise so we would have to make it evident that we are better than everyone else including Boise to get into a BCS, because we will not get votes that easily. Best case scenario is we beat either Ohio or Oregon and beat Boise twice or beat Ohio and Oregon and beat Boise once. Can it be done will see but our chances don't look good. Keep in mind we could only lose once, maybe then we will go to a BCS game if were ranked in the top 16 or 14 (can't remember). If we can't achieve this then MWC is very bad for us, with no exposure and lack of profit. Big East offers us more. Being in the BE means we have a better shot at a BCS game and better exposure out East. With Oregon and Ohio State we could manage a respectable ranking or at least be in the top 20 and the TV deal will most likely be better for us 3-6 million for each school. We need quality wins and BE assures this by giving us decent to quality teams to play against. Anything could happen but I am 80 percent sure that Big East will stay intact for 1 more years. Staying in the MWC doesn't ensure us BCS birth and thus a lot of money. I doubt we even get close to being ranked. Basketball will be fine. Basketball started small and had no 4 star recruits in the beginning. Had little fan support and what changed that? Winning, so if we keep wining in the Big West then we will still get a decent amount of good recruits, and decent amount of exposure. Basketball won't be big until we reach the Final 4 or get a National Championship, so it doesn't matter what conference we are in. We just have to win, and win with style. Going to the Big East wont kill our basketball program. Those of you that think so are delusional and know nothing about public relations and what makes a good basketball program. In the end its about what will propel SDSU into the Pac 12 or Big 12. Winning, but we won't win enough in the MWC to get the credibility to help us get to the next step in SDSU athletics. But a 10-2 record in the Big East just might get us there. Jim Sterk needs to make the Big East our priority. Once in a life time a school has a chance to make the right choice that will benefit the school and not just the athletic department. Once in a life time a person has a chance to choose the course of action that will greatly help their school become great. The crossroad is here and Jim Sterk has two choices to make. Sterk needs to rise above all others and choose the path that he thinks is best for SDSU, but I hope he chooses the Big East. And to those that hate SDSU right now I say this; "Remember, always give your best. Never get discouraged. Never be petty. Always remember, others may hate you. But those who hate you don't win unless you hate them. And then you destroy yourself" -Nixon Please leave your opinions as I like to hear what other may think about our move after reading this and don't forget to vote. LOL looks like you are the delusional one buddy. First of all you have been a recent member and all of your comments since you have been on board have been anti-Big East from when you were first a member and up to your present day membership. At least I have been pro MWC at one point up until I was undecided. With trying to be objective through out this process. I have my reasons as stated above, which are at least possible and valid, but you have never shown any objectivity towards SDSU decision, and this questions whether you are an outsider pretending to be an SDSU fan. Not one post since you have been a member, have you been undecided or supportive in the initial move for SDSU to go into the Big East. But I will give you the benefit of the doubt. Why don't you amuse me and convince me that the MWC is better for SDSU's future. Give me a scenario and a reason where SDSU will prosper in the MWC, that doesn't have us go 11-1 next season an addition to winning the MWC conference, and being ranked in the top 14/16? This is the kind of exposure and money that being in a BCS game will create. Please do this and I will be as objective as possible when analyzing your thoughts. And I promise to be respectful when replying to how I feel about what you have said. |
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Post by sdsu4lifealmost on Jan 15, 2013 14:23:16 GMT -8
I'm going to ask a really stupid question -- in fact a series of them... ~ Is BYU in or out? ~ Are Houston & SMU coming with? Are Cincinnait & UConn? ~ What do the consultants project the television money to look like from each of the conferences? ~ Are they treating us fairly in taking us back or are they screwing us? ~ What do the coaches think of the impact of one conference vs. the other? ~ What does EH think -- since it's his decision and not yours anyway? I feel like I've made this post before. How can anybody make an informed choice to a poll question like this when nobody is informed? I think 20aztec06 nailed it. About all you can say (to EH, not Sterk) is "Thanks for working hard on this matter. Make the best possible decision for the University as a whole with the facts you know at the time you have to make the final choice". Maybe that and, "Good Luck!" Yoda out... . 1. BYU is not going to either BE or MWC. For them exposure is almost everything. Unless they get the same deal Boise got, then I'm positive they stay Indy. Currently they make 4-6 million a year, are on ESPN, and get to broadcast some games on BlueTV. That way more than what MWC or Big East can offer. Maybe in the future Big East will get a good TV deal enticing BYU but for the next year I am sure they won't join either conference. 2. SMU and Houston will not come to the MWC, because SMU already affirmed its commitment, and Houston won't like what Boise got in terms of exposure and money. There is little to gain by coming to the MWC. Besides Big East can't afford to lose SDSU and Houston to the MWC, they will survive without SDSU but will take a big hit if Houston leaves, thus Big East ensures Houston will stay. Cincinnait & UConn will stay for 1 or 2 more years guaranteed. They will leave but not for another 2 years or so is my guess. Big East will take a hit but the TV contract will be there to entice others to join the conference and make it strong. Meanwhile SDSU keeps winning in the Big West and will continue to be strong in the NCAA tourney. 3. We know what the TV projection for the MWC will be, and it won't be better than the Big East. Big East projection is unknown but somewhere between 3-6 million seems about right in the short term (2-3 years). 4. There is no hiding that fact that some AD's in the MWC dislike SDSU right now. Thomas aint in the mood to be kind but I imagine that SDSU benefits MWC more than it hurts the conference, and thus we will get in easy. As for the Big East, Aresco does not appear to badly want SDSU but would like to have them, however he is not willing to make a big push for us to be in the conference. If we decide to go into the Big East he will push to help us, so that we aren't the only western school out there. However this will take some time to accomplish. With that said, I believe we will prosper in the Big East. 5. We are respected by most of the coaches in both Big East and MWC. Rocky gets along with BYU, and that shows how much respect he has garnered by coaches through out his career. Having said that, its a schools AD and President decision. EH was pro-BE when Boise was in, I imagine it will be Jim Sterk that will provide the key fact and advice that EH will use to determine the best decision for SDSU. I hope this suffices but again no one has made a scenerio and reasoing to why MWC is better than the Big East. All I hear its a gamble, it will destroy basketball. People gamble all the time, but "scared money, don't make no money," and "basketball program is what basketball does." By the way what is that? WIN, basketball needs to win to become a winning program no matter what conference it will be in. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 15, 2013 14:35:27 GMT -8
"Big East offers us more. Being in the BE means we have a better shot at a BCS game and better exposure out East". LOL. You maybe laughing but he is right. Given the big changes in the composition of the BE, he's not right about the first part of it. The BE had a chance to obtain a de facto automatic bid to a big boy bowl but they blew it. Big time. So once 2014 comes around, that conference will be just another MWC only with one or two less steaming piles for football. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 15, 2013 15:03:37 GMT -8
Well, I am not opposed to the Big East....but unlike some of the other posters I won't just slant the facts to make my decision appear more attractive. If you're going to make a decision, you take the bad with the good and concede certain things. Some of them will have to pardon me if I don't just end my posts with "but basketball will be fine no matter what". I don't want to be "fine". I want the program to continue to grow, to win multiple tournament games, and become known as the top basketball school on the west coast. We are already known as a top basketball school on the west coast. Haven't you been reading the news. Does it really matter if a conference gets 6 or 10 tournament bids to the March Madness affair? Nope it doesn't, all that matters is that we end up in the NCAA tournament and we win to reach the Sweet 16 and above. The problem is no one out east knows that SDSU is the big boss in California. We need to change this perception and all we have to do is win either in a 4 bid conference or 1 or 2 bid conference. Big West or Big East, it doesn't matter as long as we win. Win=Exposure=Recuits. Basketball die hard fans need to stop sitting on balls and give football some credibility, because that's where SDSU's national exposure will be on display. I said THE top program...Not "A". Nice try tho. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 15, 2013 15:05:24 GMT -8
Well, I am not opposed to the Big East....but unlike some of the other posters I won't just slant the facts to make my decision appear more attractive. If you're going to make a decision, you take the bad with the good and concede certain things. Some of them will have to pardon me if I don't just end my posts with "but basketball will be fine no matter what". I don't want to be "fine". I want the program to continue to grow, to win multiple tournament games, and become known as the top basketball school on the west coast. We are already known as a top basketball school on the west coast. Haven't you been reading the news. Does it really matter if a conference gets 6 or 10 tournament bids to the March Madness affair? Nope it doesn't, all that matters is that we end up in the NCAA tournament and we win to reach the Sweet 16 and above. The problem is no one out east knows that SDSU is the big boss in California. We need to change this perception and all we have to do is win either in a 4 bid conference or 1 or 2 bid conference. Big West or Big East, it doesn't matter as long as we win. Win=Exposure=Recuits. Basketball die hard fans need to stop sitting on balls and give football some credibility, because that's where SDSU's national exposure will be on display. There's a big difference between 1, and 5 or 6. Or even 4, for that matter. I feel it's best you and I stop arguing, because you are not well versed on this issue. I mean that with all respect. But you're coming off as well.....clueless. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 15, 2013 15:07:15 GMT -8
Well, I am not opposed to the Big East....but unlike some of the other posters I won't just slant the facts to make my decision appear more attractive. If you're going to make a decision, you take the bad with the good and concede certain things. Some of them will have to pardon me if I don't just end my posts with "but basketball will be fine no matter what". I don't want to be "fine". I want the program to continue to grow, to win multiple tournament games, and become known as the top basketball school on the west coast. We are already known as a top basketball school on the west coast. Haven't you been reading the news. Does it really matter if a conference gets 6 or 10 tournament bids to the March Madness affair? Nope it doesn't, all that matters is that we end up in the NCAA tournament and we win to reach the Sweet 16 and above. The problem is no one out east knows that SDSU is the big boss in California. We need to change this perception and all we have to do is win either in a 4 bid conference or 1 or 2 bid conference. Big West or Big East, it doesn't matter as long as we win. Win=Exposure=Recuits. Basketball die hard fans need to stop sitting on balls and give football some credibility, because that's where SDSU's national exposure will be on display. There's just some much wrong in this post, I am just going to sigh and move along. |
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Post by Yoda on Jan 15, 2013 15:14:47 GMT -8
1. BYU is not going to either BE or MWC. For them exposure is almost everything. Unless they get the same deal Boise got, then I'm positive they stay Indy. Currently they make 4-6 million a year, are on ESPN, and get to broadcast some games on BlueTV. That way more than what MWC or Big East can offer. Maybe in the future Big East will get a good TV deal enticing BYU but for the next year I am sure they won't join either conference. 2. SMU and Houston will not come to the MWC, because SMU already affirmed its commitment, and Houston won't like what Boise got in terms of exposure and money. There is little to gain by coming to the MWC. Besides Big East can't afford to lose SDSU and Houston to the MWC, they will survive without SDSU but will take a big hit if Houston leaves, thus Big East ensures Houston will stay. Cincinnait & UConn will stay for 1 or 2 more years guaranteed. They will leave but not for another 2 years or so is my guess. Big East will take a hit but the TV contract will be there to entice others to join the conference and make it strong. Meanwhile SDSU keeps winning in the Big West and will continue to be strong in the NCAA tourney. 3. We know what the TV projection for the MWC will be, and it won't be better than the Big East. Big East projection is unknown but somewhere between 3-6 million seems about right in the short term (2-3 years). 4. There is no hiding that fact that some AD's in the MWC dislike SDSU right now. Thomas aint in the mood to be kind but I imagine that SDSU benefits MWC more than it hurts the conference, and thus we will get in easy. As for the Big East, Aresco does not appear to badly want SDSU but would like to have them, however he is not willing to make a big push for us to be in the conference. If we decide to go into the Big East he will push to help us, so that we aren't the only western school out there. However this will take some time to accomplish. With that said, I believe we will prosper in the Big East. 5. We are respected by most of the coaches in both Big East and MWC. Rocky gets along with BYU, and that shows how much respect he has garnered by coaches through out his career. Having said that, its a schools AD and President decision. EH was pro-BE when Boise was in, I imagine it will be Jim Sterk that will provide the key fact and advice that EH will use to determine the best decision for SDSU. I hope this suffices but again no one has made a scenerio and reasoing to why MWC is better than the Big East. All I hear its a gamble, it will destroy basketball. People gamble all the time, but "scared money, don't make no money," and "basketball program is what basketball does." By the way what is that? WIN, basketball needs to win to become a winning program no matter what conference it will be in. It must be nice to live in your world -- where everything is black and white and nothing ever changes. 1. BYU is not coming? Really? How do you know? You can guess and so can I. But you do not know 1% of what you need to know to be certain of it. Pretty much the same questions apply to BYU as applied to SDSU. And if it is so certain as you say, then why is BYU even talking to the MWC? 2. Oh well if SMU reaffirmed their loyalty to the nBE, then nothing will ever make them move. Not BYU joining, not Houston joining, not UConn and Cincy bolting for the ACC, not nuttin'. Except that the field of play in conference realignment isn't static. It is moving all the time and everybody is re-evaluating their position in light of everybody else's last move. Do you think that SMU's commitment to the nBE would be solid if they were asked to join the Big XII? In my opinion, in light of the uncertainty with UConn and Cincy, if SDSU, BYU & UH come back, SMU would be on their knees begging to be let back in. As would most of the nBE. 3. Hogwash. You know that the MWC can market the non-CBS games but you don't know how much they are going to go for. And one of the problems that Boise had was that even the nBE didn't have a clue what their contract would be worth -- they had no numbers to show. 4. I don't think that anybody dislikes SDSU. But most businesses, including this one, are in part at least relationship driven. I'm not sure if the reports of reluctance to bring you back signify a damaged relationship or if they are just more focused on BYU right now -- and if they have to stop at 12, then they might rather have BYU. Gut instinct is they are looking for BYU to be #12 but aren't ready to add #13 until they identify #14. They had to offer you first and, in contract law, a counteroffer is a rejection of the original offer, so maybe they went on to BYU. Still don't think that they will leave you behind, however. 5. Probably. Understand, I don't know any more than you do, which means that my opinions on the topic are just as ill informed. You realize, I hope, that we are all full of it. Yoda out... . |
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Post by sleepy on Jan 15, 2013 15:22:47 GMT -8
This isn't a question for me (us). It's a question for a very few individuals with all the information. I've got the utmost confidence they'll reach the right decision, whatever it is.
I'm absolutely torn and can't even put in a vote for the fun of it.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 15, 2013 15:31:52 GMT -8
Gimme a break, Yoda. BYU isn't going to join the MWC for football and the MWC isn't going to allow BYU to join without football. We DO know that. Period.
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Post by AztecSports95 on Jan 15, 2013 15:34:53 GMT -8
Not Sterk's Decision.
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Post by Yoda on Jan 15, 2013 15:52:28 GMT -8
Gimme a break, Yoda. BYU isn't going to join the MWC for football and the MWC isn't going to allow BYU to join without football. We DO know that. Period. Newsflash SGF: an opinion, however logically grounded, is not made any more factual by the intensity of one's belief of the truth of it. There is no point in the MWC's talking to BYU about any membership scenario that does not include football. We don't need them for volleyball or any sport but football. And we would not interrupt conference membership discussions to talk about scheduling arrangements at this point in time. Now, admittedly those are just my opinions. But they are logically grounded, and I'm sure that they are true because I believe so strongly that they are true. Of course, even if true, being true and having those discussions conclude successfully are two entirely different matters. Yoda out... . |
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Post by perspixx on Jan 15, 2013 15:59:44 GMT -8
Tulsa Undergrad enrollment 3600. Similar to my school- great education, horrible fan base (at least they have something to root about) On the other hand, the city of Tulsa is bigger than Laramie, Fort Collins and Logan combined. |
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Post by zurac315 on Jan 15, 2013 16:51:23 GMT -8
If it had been an option I would have voted for "drop football" before I would have voted to remain in the MWC. I also would have voted to resurrect the old PCAA (I know it's impossible) before I would have voted to go back to the MWC. Bring back Governali (impossible, also) if you must, but don't go back to the MWC.
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