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Post by Deleted on Jan 2, 2013 8:51:05 GMT -8
Mountain west, were doing a huge disjustice to our basketball program. You "misremembered." The word is INjustice. With which I don't disagree. However, there isn't enough info right now to say which would be the better situation for us. For example, if the BE would make a deal with ESPN to make it worth BYU's while to join for football and allow SDSU to retain any tier 3 rights for those games, we should play football in the BE. From a cost-benefit standpoint, it would be sufficiently lucrative it would continue to be worth taking a chance that hoops will be hurt in the BigLots. The BE has wanted BYU since offering TCU membership two years ago. Now seems to me to be its opportunity to cut a deal with the Borg that gets it done and allows the BE to sell its football program partially by featuring BYU like the MWC will feature Boise. Problem is, that kind of out-of-the-box thinking went out the door with Marinatto. Until July 1, Cincy and UConn will basically be running things and I'm pretty sure they want to be kings of BE football until they leave. They could be overruled by USF and the newbies but there's zero evidence that's going to happen. Here's a question. Since SDSU has been given only until four weeks from today to apply for readmission to the MWC, what do folks think Sterk is doing? Here's my guess: (1) talking with the BE about a guarantee of money for staying in regardless of what happens with the new TV deal while (2) talking with the MWC about what kind of penalty we're going to be assessed for withdrawing and then dissing the MWC after that. Assuming the BE won't even consider negotiating on (1), seems to me our best course of action is begging for MWC readmission.
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Post by aztecpaulg on Jan 2, 2013 8:53:09 GMT -8
I don't see it that way ... the MWC or Big East is a stepping stone to an invitation to the Mega Conference. We have to decide which conference brings more short term(next 5 years) money so the program can continue its rise. Here's what I think needs to be answered in order to make the decision:
- How much more will the BE TV deal be than the MWC? For Boise, they'll be playing every game on ESPN, so they'll get a 200k bonus every game, that adds up to a good deal for them, but not necessarily for us. The BE still has millions of more possible people as a viewing area.
- BCS 2.0 money: Which conference has the best shot at being the best non-AQ? Clearly, the conference that has BSU in it, will be the most likely to gain the invite. However; with the new way the MWC is going to split that money 50/50, the MWC would have to go to a BCS bowl twice for SDSU to get the same revenue as they would get if a Big East team would go once. The big exception is the windfall that would await SDSU if they made a BCS bowl as a member of the MWC. - Nice goal to shoot for.
- How stable is the BE: Everything above assumes a stable BE, but that's hardly guaranteed. UCONN and Cincy will leave the moment they get a chance. MWC teams are just as eager for an invite to the big time, they just as less likely to get it. The MWC teams likely have to wait for a PAC 12 invite, so the MWC appears to be more stable.
- Basketball: For many schools (see the PAC 12) the money made from basketball does not matter much. At State it is huge. The MWC is a basketball conference, and being a part of it is important as long as we keep winning in it. Will the gym fill up for UCSB, LBSU, Hawaii, etc?
- Olympic Sports: The Big West is a better place for our Olympic sports, but they don't really matter in the end because money walks...
In the end, it seems like SDSU is best positioned to gain a bid to the PAC 12 by developing a rivalry with Boise State. If that rivalry can gain national headlines, it would make bringing them in as a pair more likely. I LOVE THE MWC!!!!
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Post by k5james on Jan 2, 2013 8:56:28 GMT -8
Boise has even less of a chance to get into the PAC than we do.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 2, 2013 8:57:07 GMT -8
can there be a all sports West division/conference for the Aztecs teams. in the BE. Boise would never have stayed in/returned to the MWC if Fresno and UNLV would have left for the BE and both probably would have done so if the doofuses running that conference had committed to an all-sports western division. So the answer to your question is not a chance.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 2, 2013 8:58:56 GMT -8
About Boise dominating the nMWC, there isn't any reason why SDSU's football program shouldn't be as good as Boise's. All that's required is refusal to accept mediocrity.
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Post by k5james on Jan 2, 2013 9:05:00 GMT -8
About Boise dominating the nMWC, there isn't any reason why SDSU's football program shouldn't be as good as Boise's. All that's required is refusal to accept mediocrity. They wouldn't dominate the MWaC all things being equal, but the deal they set up for themselves pretty much assures that they will and the rest of the conference is celebrating like its some big win...
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Post by Deleted on Jan 2, 2013 9:16:14 GMT -8
MWaC: I like it.
And you're correct everybody else is celebrating because Boise's staying. However, I think they should. Only a week ago it looked like the MWC was going to lose Boise, SDSU, UNLV and Fresno. That would have been devastating. Now that MWC is probably not going to lose any of us.
Of course, it's only a temporary reprieve. I still think once the B12's grant of rights is no longer in existence that UT, TT, OU and Okie St. will be Runnin' with the Pac. Assuming the B12 hasn't added 2-4 ACC schools in the interim, the remaining six will scramble to find half a dozen fill-ins. And if SDSU keeps winning, we will be a prime candidate. And BTW, just because that GoR isn't set to expire until 2025 doesn't mean a majority of the conference couldn't eliminate it before then. So if there was enough money in it for them, I'll bet the four wannabe defectors could convince three of the other six to $#!+-can it.
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Post by sdsu2000 on Jan 2, 2013 9:30:52 GMT -8
I can't vote until I see what the dollar figures are for each conference and what our national exposure could be with each. MW Western Division - I believe would be great for the fans and increase ticket revenue. BE - Could bring about a greater national exposure which is needed if we ever want to have a chance at one of the final 4 super conferences. How would being in a division with UNLV/UNR/SJSU/Fresno/Hawaii increase ticket revenue? Those are the same teams nobody shows up to see now. There's more alum/fans from SJSU, Fresno and Nevada that can make the trip to the Q. There are probably more kids on SJSU and Fresno from the southern CA area than Wyoming, CSU, UNM and AF which could bring their family and friends. I'm not saying it's a huge increase but playing these schools as compared to the mountain range schools could boost attendance by 3-5 K. I think more casual SDSU fans would be interested in coming to a game against Fresno than any of those others as well. It's not huge but I think there is an increase which we desperately need. Not the increase we would have seen if the BE we joined stayed together but probably better than what the BE will be in another 2 years when it's the new C-USA and Temple.
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Post by k5james on Jan 2, 2013 9:42:14 GMT -8
How would being in a division with UNLV/UNR/SJSU/Fresno/Hawaii increase ticket revenue? Those are the same teams nobody shows up to see now. There's more alum/fans from SJSU, Fresno and Nevada that can make the trip to the Q. There are probably more kids on SJSU and Fresno from the southern CA area than Wyoming, CSU, UNM and AF which could bring their family and friends. I'm not saying it's a huge increase but playing these schools as compared to the mountain range schools could boost attendance by 3-5 K. I think more casual SDSU fans would be interested in coming to a game against Fresno than any of those others as well. It's not huge but I think there is an increase which we desperately need. Not the increase we would have seen if the BE we joined stayed together but probably better than what the BE will be in another 2 years when it's the new C-USA and Temple. There is zero increase. We already play those teams here and nobody shows up.
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Post by cc on Jan 2, 2013 9:42:53 GMT -8
There is only one clear answer to the OP poll. Stay with the Big East. If the Aztec go back to the MWC they have taken a giant step backwards.
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Post by aztecfankrishnan on Jan 2, 2013 9:45:00 GMT -8
I still think the nBE is the better football conference, but its very close now, so I no longer believe the detriment to the basketball program is worth making the switch. So I would prefer the MWC, but at this point I'm not really passionate about it. Both are equally bad options, but we will be fine with either.
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Post by billhammett on Jan 2, 2013 9:50:30 GMT -8
Had things worked out even remotely close to what they were supposed to, I would love to be in the NBE. They didn't, and it's time to head back to the MW and try to pull in the Texas teams with us. Absolutely. 100% agree. When Boise was in and we were getting $6M and 4 Big East hoop games...I was a supporter. Now that Boise and 9 other schools have left SINCE WE JOINED...I'm out. UCONN and are leaving any day as well. It's a lateral move at this point for football and a real hit to our hoops program. Time to go back to the MWC, keep thriving in basketball, keep winning conference championships in FB and hope we have a chair when the music stops after the next round of realignment.
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Post by bschmurda on Jan 2, 2013 9:55:34 GMT -8
Why would anyone want to spilt up our sports teams so they can join a no name bus league for basketball, and join a has been basketball cobference for football only?
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Post by k5james on Jan 2, 2013 10:00:27 GMT -8
Why would anyone want to spilt up our sports teams so they can join a no name bus league for basketball, and join a has been basketball cobference for football only? Because being in a conference with schools like Houston/SMU/UCF/USF/Cincy and UConn is better than being in a conference with Boise and its 10 bitches.
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Post by aztecinoz on Jan 2, 2013 10:02:08 GMT -8
I voted BE but if the MWC is proactive and poaches Houston and SMU then I think we could go back.
The draw of playing Florida and Texas schools is too much to ignore.
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Post by bschmurda on Jan 2, 2013 10:04:00 GMT -8
Why would anyone want to spilt up our sports teams so they can join a no name bus league for basketball, and join a has been basketball cobference for football only? Because being in a conference with schools like Houston/SMU/UCF/USF/Cincy and UConn is better than being in a conference with Boise and its 10 bitches. Maybe for 1 year, but not in the long run
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Post by k5james on Jan 2, 2013 10:05:11 GMT -8
Because being in a conference with schools like Houston/SMU/UCF/USF/Cincy and UConn is better than being in a conference with Boise and its 10 bitches. Maybe for 1 year, but not in the long run It's good for both.
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Post by sdsu2000 on Jan 2, 2013 10:18:39 GMT -8
Maybe for 1 year, but not in the long run It's good for both. You say this now but you have no idea. We could turn down the MW tomorrow and they could then pick up BYU, Houston and SMU which would kill of the BE. Realignment is far from over. Heck, the Big East doesn't even have a TV contract right now so there's no way of knowing the dollar figure or the exposure the program will get. As of right now, the Big East looks to be a bigger joke of a conference come 2014 than the MW. I hate the mountain range schools as much as anyone on here but to trade crap from the west for crap in the east makes no sense unless there's a big difference in TV revenue.
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Post by aztecbrothers on Jan 2, 2013 13:51:31 GMT -8
If some how a Western Division of the BE could be formed with BYU, Fresno, Air Force, SDSU, SMU, and Houston for all sports, I could see a start to solid core of teams that could grab the 6th spot for a top Conference with a contract to the Fiesta Bowl for the league Champion.
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Post by socialsdsu on Jan 2, 2013 14:02:10 GMT -8
Why would anyone want to spilt up our sports teams so they can join a no name bus league for basketball, and join a has been basketball cobference for football only? Mens basketball is the only sport that is worse in the big west.
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