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Post by Aztec89 on Dec 4, 2012 6:18:04 GMT -8
It appears Colin Kapernick is Harbaugh's new QB. Shoud the Chargers make a play for Smith. I am convinced Phillip Rivers is damaged goods. He does not posses the termperment to lead an NFL team to the promised land.
If Smith is on the block, do the Chargers pursue a deal for him?
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Post by k5james on Dec 4, 2012 6:33:28 GMT -8
Lol, Smith is awful. If Rivers has protection he'll get it done.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 4, 2012 15:39:03 GMT -8
Lol, Smith is awful. If Rivers has protection he'll get it done. This. Though, Smith isnt awful. He's just not as talented as Rivers. Rivers is having an AWFUL season but his protection and weapons are lacking.
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Post by jhonka34 on Dec 4, 2012 22:55:18 GMT -8
Lol, Smith is awful. If Rivers has protection he'll get it done. This. Though, Smith isnt awful. He's just not as talented as Rivers. Rivers is having an AWFUL season but his protection and weapons are lacking. Rivers is extremely shaky and nervous. He's feeling pressure before its even there. Couple that with feeling like he needs to be carrying the team and it is a recipe for disaster. Number one priority has to be pass protection in the off-season.
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Post by Fishn'Aztec on Dec 5, 2012 5:25:59 GMT -8
Kirk Morrison was released by the Bungalow Bills, why not sign him too?
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Post by chicobeanr on Dec 5, 2012 21:05:48 GMT -8
Lol, Smith is awful. If Rivers has protection he'll get it done. This. Though, Smith isnt awful. He's just not as talented as Rivers. Rivers is having an AWFUL season but his protection and weapons are lacking. Another Awful season...Last her he (gulp) sucked too
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Post by chicobeanr on Dec 5, 2012 21:06:18 GMT -8
Lol, Smith is awful. If Rivers has protection he'll get it done. if any QB has protection they would get it done..!!!!
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Post by johneaztec on Dec 5, 2012 21:58:50 GMT -8
As a backup.
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Post by jhonka34 on Dec 6, 2012 9:24:56 GMT -8
Smith is a good-enough game manager type QB but the Chargers don't need a game manager, the OL issues require a play-maker at QB.
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Post by La Mesa Aztec on Dec 6, 2012 19:24:03 GMT -8
Smith is a good-enough game manager type QB but the Chargers don't need a game manager, the OL issues require a play-maker at QB. Smith can at least run and extend the play.
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Post by jhonka34 on Dec 7, 2012 13:19:29 GMT -8
Smith is a good-enough game manager type QB but the Chargers don't need a game manager, the OL issues require a play-maker at QB. Smith can at least run and extend the play. My point is mainly that a change at QB isn't going to fix this team. Fixing the OLine will do a lot to make the team better. Even if Rivers is entering a "late-Favre" stage of his career, he would be more than adequate behind a good OLine with the running game that would bring with it.
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Post by The Aztec Panther on Dec 16, 2012 22:08:58 GMT -8
Both this year and last year Smith played a LOT better than Philip Rivers. While I am convinced that Rivers is still a good quarterback when he has good protection, he's not likely to get much better protection next year. A little better, but rookies take a year or two to get up to NFL speed at OL. And while they can rent a player or two at OL there are issues of chemistry and unity and that takes time to develop.
I say sign Alex Smith and let them compete for the starting job. It may turn out that Rivers has turned into Jim Everett and will never get his game back.
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Post by aztecryan on Dec 17, 2012 9:44:45 GMT -8
Yes, let's replace a QB who had 4 straight seasons of 4000+ yards passing with Alex Smith. Some of you guys are off your rocker. Nobody, and I mean NOBODY could succeed in an offense like this. Three different left tackles this year. Two or three different right tackles. Changes at left guard and right guard routinely. An inconsistent (at best) running game. Our #1 WR right now, Alexander, was on the streets some weeks ago. But people want Alex Smith, who was BENCHED in San Francisco? Yikes.
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Post by aztecryan on Dec 17, 2012 9:56:38 GMT -8
Jared Gaither, Mike Harris, Louis Vasquez, Tyronne Green, Rex Hadnot, Reggie Wells, Kevin Haslam, Jeromey Clarey, Nick Hardwick, Steve Schilling, David Molk. A lot of linemen this year.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 17, 2012 10:19:06 GMT -8
Yes, let's replace a QB who had 4 straight seasons of 4000+ yards passing with Alex Smith. Some of you guys are off your rocker. Nobody, and I mean NOBODY could succeed in an offense like this. Three different left tackles this year. Two or three different right tackles. Changes at left guard and right guard routinely. An inconsistent (at best) running game. Our #1 WR right now, Alexander, was on the streets some weeks ago. But people want Alex Smith, who was BENCHED in San Francisco? Yikes. THIS.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 17, 2012 10:42:09 GMT -8
Yes, let's replace a QB who had 4 straight seasons of 4000+ yards passing with Alex Smith. Some of you guys are off your rocker. Nobody, and I mean NOBODY could succeed in an offense like this. Three different left tackles this year. Two or three different right tackles. Changes at left guard and right guard routinely. An inconsistent (at best) running game. Our #1 WR right now, Alexander, was on the streets some weeks ago. But people want Alex Smith, who was BENCHED in San Francisco? Yikes. Though, to be fair..Smith wasn't exactly benched for lack of production. It was a gutsy call by Harbaugh. And no, I don't want Alex Smith over Rivers.
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Post by NTU on Dec 17, 2012 14:52:24 GMT -8
Yes, let's replace a QB who had 4 straight seasons of 4000+ yards passing with Alex Smith. Some of you guys are off your rocker. Nobody, and I mean NOBODY could succeed in an offense like this. Three different left tackles this year. Two or three different right tackles. Changes at left guard and right guard routinely. An inconsistent (at best) running game. Our #1 WR right now, Alexander, was on the streets some weeks ago. But people want Alex Smith, who was BENCHED in San Francisco? Yikes. Though, to be fair..Smith wasn't exactly benched for lack of production. It was a gutsy call by Harbaugh. And no, I don't want Alex Smith over Rivers. I do.....at the very least, Alex Smith can make a few plays with his feet (or because of his feet). Rivers is nothing more than a statue. Quite possibly the most non-athletic QB ever to play in the NFL.
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Post by davdesid on Dec 17, 2012 15:19:31 GMT -8
Rivers is in his early thirties. He's starting to show his age, but with a competent OL he could go for a couple more years. But he is on the back side of the hill. Chargers need to find and develop a new young phenom, like SF is doing with Kaepernick. "Quarterbacks need some of the most unique physical abilities in order to be successful. An NFL quarterback not only has great arm strength, but also possess the ability to spiral the football tightly on a throw and accurately hit his targets. In addition to the physical skills, a quarterback needs a precise mental understanding of the game. A common notion is that quarterbacks can excel later in their careers due to the prominence of these mental attributes. The theory is that an experienced quarterback who knows the game and the offense can be more successful later in his career than he was early on because those attributes are more important than having his peak arm strength or foot speed. "The same study, however, that confirmed receivers can peak for longer than running backs seems to state that quarterbacks peak early as well. It also states that a quarterback can maintain his peak for longer than a running back, and has less of a drop-off once the decline has begun. According to Fein (2009), “a quarterback’s peak age is 25 for all but one of the stats, with 26 to 28 not far behind. There seems to be a steep, upward trend at the beginning of a quarterback’s career, and a gentler fall from their peak.” "This seems to indicate that once a quarterback has learned the pro game for a few years early on, he is able to put together his knowledge with his still near-peak physical skills and then maintain that with minimal drop-off for a number of years. Once the quarterback’s physical skills have declined noticeably, he is still able to perform relatively close to his peak level using his experience and knowledge of the game." thesportdigest.com/archive/article/when-does-football-player-get-old-At age 36, Dan Marino saw his decline. His quarterback rating dropped to 80.7, his touchdowns plummeted to 17, and only in his rookie year did he produce fewer passing yards in a full season. He lasted two more seasons before retirement. - Joe Montana's career may as well have ended at 35. His numbers plummeted in 1990 — just a year removed from one of the finest seasons ever put together by a QB (26 TDs and 8 INT in just 13 games with a 112.4 QB rating in 1989). He played in one final game in San Francisco at age 36 before ending his career in mediocre fashion in Kansas City (two seasons, 29 combined touchdown passes). - Troy Aikman’s demise occurred so abruptly at age 34 that he retired after tossing just 7 touchdowns against 14 interceptions in 2000. - Terry Bradshaw threw in the towel at 35, after two injury plagued seasons. - Johnny Unitas, whose longevity in the league is well-documented -- he played 17 seasons from 1956 to 1973 -- began to break down at 35. He only played in five games that year and didn’t start a single one. His play never recovered as he sludged through four more mediocre seasons with Baltimore before doing the unthinkable, leaving to sputter out in San Diego. - Fran Tarkenton's decline came at 37 -- in 1977 he only played in nine games. He ended things the next season. - Even Steve Young, who in essence got a late start after waiting for Montana to break down, had his last hurrah at age 37 before the concussions got to him. The examples are endless: Joe Namath (34), Bart Starr (36), Roger Staubach (37), Jim Kelly (36), Otto Graham (34), Dan Fouts (36, dropped off at 35), Sammy Baugh (dropped off at 36 and fizzled until the end at 38), Len Dawson (dropped off at 34), Bob Griese (35) — it goes on and on. At 34, George Blanda threw 36 touchdowns. At age 35, he threw 42 interceptions, the most ever in a season. Oh, and they could use a competent HC.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 17, 2012 16:02:16 GMT -8
Yeah, those are some nice references....but Rivers is 31 years old, soon to be 32. He's not exactly out to pasture yet.
Yes, I agree SD should be looking into drafting and developing a QB with the new regime (or trading for a young QB), for the future but the draft is thin and free agency/trade market isn't looking great (Mike Vick anyone?) besides guys like Matt Flynn or Alex Smith (yawn)........so I'm not ready to send Rivers packing.
That's just me.
FWIW...I would argue Joe Montana did some good things in KC and was far from "mediocre". Stats aren't everything, and his stats were okay. ;D
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Post by aztecwin on Dec 17, 2012 17:00:35 GMT -8
Oh! Brother!
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