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Post by aztecjake on Sept 26, 2012 16:24:26 GMT -8
Aztecs win this game by greater than a touchdown. The 'unsung heroes' will be each member of the OL.
Following victories in Fresno and the following week against Hawaii, in-front of a KGB SS crowd, Aztec football will be back on track.
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Post by spartanmark on Sept 26, 2012 19:25:17 GMT -8
+1 No reason we all shouldn't play each other every year. $#!+ win or lose I hope we never play these fools again after this. We should play Fresno and San Jose every year.
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Post by k5james on Sept 26, 2012 19:27:03 GMT -8
We gain nothing by playing either of the CSU schools. If we win, nobody cares. If we lose, we look bad.
Both series should die as far as I'm concerned.
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Post by zurac315 on Sept 26, 2012 19:50:50 GMT -8
We gain nothing by playing either of the CSU schools. If we win, nobody cares. If we lose, we look bad. Both series should die as far as I'm concerned. These games used to be very big and they could be again. The only problem is that, over the last couple of decades, Fresno has been better than we have. If any team has nothing to gain from these games it is Fresno.
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Post by quickdraw on Sept 26, 2012 19:59:09 GMT -8
We gain nothing by playing either of the CSU schools. If we win, nobody cares. If we lose, we look bad. Both series should die as far as I'm concerned. That is the same train of thought many of the MWC teams will have for not playing SDSU in basketkball after this year.
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Post by myownwords on Sept 27, 2012 5:24:10 GMT -8
We gain nothing by playing either of the CSU schools. If we win, nobody cares. If we lose, we look bad. Both series should die as far as I'm concerned. That too has been my reaction over the years. I also know that UCLA, USC, Cal, and Standford feel the very same way about us, so I can appreciate the CSU schools attitude. But in the last analysis, we're not moving ahead by playing these CSU schools.
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Post by Yoda on Sept 27, 2012 6:14:15 GMT -8
We gain nothing by playing either of the CSU schools. If we win, nobody cares. If we lose, we look bad. Both series should die as far as I'm concerned. So who is going to be your travel partner when you seek admission to the PAC or the Big XII? You might be on your way into the Big XII now if you had a travel partner to go in with you. That's what I've been told anyway. You appealed to them and got more consideration than you know. But you didn't have a travel partner -- UNLV football sucks and we've lost our cachet since 2005. My point is, I think that our fortunes are aligned and, rather than trying to distance ourselves from each other, we should hope that we both get very good at the same time. Besides, in football at least, it is Fresno that has nothing to gain and something to lose by playing you folks. Other way around in basketball, of course. Yoda out... .
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Post by AztecWilliam on Sept 27, 2012 8:01:47 GMT -8
Well, we just lost the first key game of the season at home. (As I posted elsewhere, the SJSU game was not my initial choice for "first key game." Fresno State was my first key game candidate.) If this Aztec team can get itself turned around, perhaps we win this Saturday.
Is an upset possible (assuming that we are legitimate underdogs)? I remember that 2002 game up there when we muffed an easy FGA (on a last play of the game bad snap) that cost us a win. That was a 4 win Aztec team that nearly beat a 9 win Bulldog team in Tom Craft's first game as head coach. Now, THAT would have been a great win. Fresno State lost to Wisconsin and Oregon by a total of 6 points and ended the year beating Georgia Tech in the Silicon Valley Classic by 9.
I would think that this Aztec team is better than Tom Craft's first squad, so why would an upset be unthinkable? On the other hand, a loss up there would put this year's campaign in real trouble. Not only that, it would put San Diego State's somewhat fragile football resurgence in real trouble, as well.
All of which is a tortured way of saying what we all know; namely, that last week's game was a terrible loss. Unfortunately, this program has a long history of terrible losses virtually never offset by great and unexpected wins.
AzWm
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Post by Yoda on Sept 27, 2012 8:48:24 GMT -8
...On the other hand, a loss up there would put this year's campaign in real trouble. Not only that, it would put San Diego State's somewhat fragile football resurgence in real trouble, as well. All of which is a tortured way of saying what we all know; namely, that last week's game was a terrible loss. Unfortunately, this program has a long history of terrible losses virtually never offset by great and unexpected wins. AzWm I think you put too much importance on one game. You apparently let one get away last week. But losing this week, when you are an underdog, doesn't necessarily put your resurgence in trouble. It kind of depends on how you lose. Beat or roughly match the spread and I wouldn't think it would hurt any real resurgence. Lose by 40 and that's another thing altogether. Even so, as long as the Big East holds together, and the money with it, you should be fine. Yoda out... .
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Post by AztecWilliam on Sept 27, 2012 12:06:51 GMT -8
...On the other hand, a loss up there would put this year's campaign in real trouble. Not only that, it would put San Diego State's somewhat fragile football resurgence in real trouble, as well. All of which is a tortured way of saying what we all know; namely, that last week's game was a terrible loss. Unfortunately, this program has a long history of terrible losses virtually never offset by great and unexpected wins. AzWm I think you put too much importance on one game. You apparently let one get away last week. But losing this week, when you are an underdog, doesn't necessarily put your resurgence in trouble. It kind of depends on how you lose. Beat or roughly match the spread and I wouldn't think it would hurt any real resurgence. Lose by 40 and that's another thing altogether. Even so, as long as the Big East holds together, and the money with it, you should be fine. Yoda out... . But we are not talking about just one game. The problem is one of numbers. The fly in the ointment is the loss to SJSU, a game that virtually all Aztec fans, prior to the beginning of the season, considered a relatively easy win. That loss means that we have very little margin for error. Eight wins is about what most of us hoped for, with 7 a bit disappointing but still enough to keep the resurgence going. Now, with SJSU a loss, the Aztecs pretty much have to win in Fresno or face the necessity of having to beat at least one team along the way that might well have been an acceptable loss. Teams such as AFA, UNLV, and Wyoming, maybe even Colorado State and Hawaii, now appear to be must-win propositions. If we lose to the Bulldogs, how are we going to get to 8 wins? We would have to beat every single one of the teams just listed plus one other. Boise State? Very unlikely. Nevada? Not as unlikely but a pretty difficult chance all the same. If we lose to Fresno State, and then to both Boise and Nevada, we would have to beat ALL the other five MWC teams on the schedule just to reach 7 wins. Lose to any of those schools, which, as history tells us, the Aztecs are capable of doing, and the best we could do is break even . . . a major disappointment heading into the much tougher Big East. Bottom line; the San Jose loss was a potential season breaker. AzWm
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Post by Yoda on Sept 27, 2012 12:45:18 GMT -8
Bottom line; the San Jose loss was a potential season breaker. AzWm It's probably just semantics but "season breaker" I understand; "resurgence", I do not. To me, a "resurgence" is more than a one year process and it includes disappointing games along the way. But again, I'm not really trying to argue with you and think our disagreement may be nothing more than semantics. Yoda out... .
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Post by Deleted on Sept 27, 2012 13:22:33 GMT -8
I think you put too much importance on one game. You apparently let one get away last week. But losing this week, when you are an underdog, doesn't necessarily put your resurgence in trouble. It kind of depends on how you lose. Beat or roughly match the spread and I wouldn't think it would hurt any real resurgence. Lose by 40 and that's another thing altogether. Even so, as long as the Big East holds together, and the money with it, you should be fine. Yes, the BE money will save SDSU from its own fan base. That would be tens of thousands of alumni who pay no attention unless the team wins and thousands of others who pay attention all the time but get really pissed at those of us who demand simply quality, much less excellence. Pre-season, I expected a loss at Fresno. However, I expected a comfortable win over SJSU, which but for a typical SDSU giveaway job would have occurred. Maybe the Aztecs will surprise me and win on Saturday. Instead, they'll probably surprise you by putting a huge scare into a team you predict will win by 24 by entering the fourth quarter with the lead. Nevertheless, we'll find a way to lose.
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Post by lovedaaztecs on Sept 27, 2012 13:24:33 GMT -8
We have been losing the turnover battle. I say we get it all back this week and it is the difference in the game. Aztecs win 31-24.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 27, 2012 14:49:57 GMT -8
Aztec defense gets multiple interceptions and win 31-30.
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Post by OCEOTL on Sept 27, 2012 15:25:57 GMT -8
] Yes, the BE money will save SDSU from its own fan base. That would be tens of thousands of alumni who pay no attention unless the team wins and thousands of others who pay attention all the time but get really pissed at those of us who demand simply quality, much less excellence.
Pre-season, I expected a loss at Fresno. However, I expected a comfortable win over SJSU, which but for a typical SDSU giveaway job would have occurred. Maybe the Aztecs will surprise me and win on Saturday. Instead, they'll probably surprise you by putting a huge scare into a team you predict will win by 24 by entering the fourth quarter with the lead. Nevertheless, we'll find a way to lose.[/quote]
Mostly agree with one exception: I expected us to lose one game we should have won. I hope that game was San Jose.
Also we're underdogs because we've underperformed relative to the talent on the team. We could be kick-ass the rest of this year if the team jells even without adequate, positive, coaches' motivation.
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Post by sancarlosaztec on Sept 27, 2012 15:35:02 GMT -8
Ohhh noooo! I agree with Yoda on something! The world really is ending in December isn't it? ;D Because the continued existence of their football programs threatens ours. There shan't be much government money for football helmets, methinks. Gotta disagree with you on this one John -- in fact I have to disagree with the fellow that you were responding to as well. I don't think it is a question of turning your backs on us. We're capable of carrying our own weight and my inference was that the poster thought we needed you to carry us. Maybe not... As to your post, how does the continued existence of our program threaten yours? We're already not getting much money from the state. The programs are more or less self supporting. So I don't see how either is threatened by the existence of the other. If one of us went away, then I expect that the other might benefit a little as respects recruiting -- but probably not all that much. I've always looked at it from the standpoint that, rather than threatening the existence of each other, we actually help each other. Rivalries sell tickets and while our rivalry has suffered over the last generation, it still exists in some form and still should be useful for both of us. Further, I have long thought that our fates are more or less aligned. I've been told that you almost made it into the Big XII during the last go around. But we had fallen far enough from our performances of maybe ten years ago, that they didn't take you as you brought no worthy travel partner. Sorry... We both want into the PAC or, as a backup, into the Big XII. Everybody has always said that that would never happen -- but I think it could, if things went right. If we would both finish in the Top 10, each of the next three or four years, I think that the Big XII would jump on us. And if they didn't, then by five years the Pac 12 might -- especially if there is a push to take everyone to 16 teams and the Oklahoma's and Texas' of the world are hog tied by their conference television agreements. It just seems to me that SDSU and FSU, as well as Boise and BYU, will eventually make great expansion partners. So I root for SDSU and always have -- when they aren't playing us (okay, and this year as I want the Big East to look stupid). Because one of these days, we are both going to be good at the same time. I think we need each other, help each other, and do not in any way threaten each other. Yoda out... .
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Post by Deleted on Sept 27, 2012 15:35:27 GMT -8
Good point about annually losing a game we should have won. So doing is in SDSU's football DNA.
Rocky said a few personnel adjustments will be made for Saturday. In the case of a couple areas of the team, that could certainly help and can't possibly hurt.
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Post by fangdog on Sept 27, 2012 16:15:01 GMT -8
$#!+ win or lose I hope we never play these fools again after this. Wow! what happened to you? Did a fresneck have his way with your girlfriend?
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Post by southocaztec on Sept 27, 2012 16:46:21 GMT -8
I am a homer..Go Aztecs...we win
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Post by fangdog on Sept 27, 2012 17:20:13 GMT -8
I am a homer..Go Aztecs...we win Now that's the spirit
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