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Post by Deleted on Sept 1, 2010 9:42:57 GMT -8
Some EXPERTS make grossly incorrect evaluations, including the ones who saw JaMarcus Russell as an NFL quarterback. NOVICE JYP knew better, as did many many many novices. Maybe the EXPERTS didn't watch the films as closely as NOVICE JYP and many other novices did. Seriously? You watched film of KOC and came to the conclusion that he didn't have "it" and you knew better.... do you watch film on every prospect or just those from SDSU?? Message boards make me chuckle, so many experts who know so much about everything. Someone else wrote this but I am gonna second it, KOC is not only a former Aztec but one who supports his former school.... It amazes me that people who post on this board can't just support the dude. I will wish the guy good luck and hope he gets picked up by some other team..... (Jeezeus, I watched film and knew better than the experts..... give me a break...) |
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Post by The Great Aztec Joe on Sept 1, 2010 9:59:51 GMT -8
I watch Hard Knocks and rarely saw Kevin included, so I knew he was going to have problems, especially with Sanchez, Brunell, and then Clemens already there ahead of him. Last week's episode had each position with names on the white board and I saw a line after 3 QB's. Clemens was in the 3rd position. I only hope the best for Kevin. I don't give a crap whose recruit he was. He's a damn Aztec for Life. He gave it his all for us and we should treat him with more respect rather than bash him for not making it in the NFL at this point in his career. We will see what he has got and if he catches on somewhere else. Overcoming adversity tests the character and resolve. You also find out who your friends and allies are. Good luck, Kevin. Being an Aztec means something to most of us and we're pulling for you. Kevin was seriously shortchanged with having Long as his head coach in 2006 and 2007. He came to SDSU to learn the Pro style passing game that our school was famous for. Instead of that he got a moron for head coach who did not help his development one iota. Instead, he just got Long injured and bruised. I'll never forget Kevin Craft starting the Cal Poly game in 2006 and passing for two quick scores before Long telling him to only run plays from the sidelines after that because Long wanted to develop his running game. Damn, if Long did not find a way to lose that game with all of that running into the depth of the Cal Poly Defense. Amazing stupidity. If long had allowed Kevin to run the offense as he started out to do, we would have won by a score of fifty or more points. |
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Post by hoobs on Sept 1, 2010 10:14:31 GMT -8
Sad day for Kevin. Just didn't look like he made any improvement from last year. Perhaps a trip to Canada, eh? Seems like their game is better suited for a mobile QB. Absolutely, he could probably be a good starter in the CFL given the different style of play up there. Wouldn't be a bad move. He's certainly never going to be an NFL QB (unfortunately). |
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Post by johneaztec on Sept 1, 2010 15:01:08 GMT -8
KO could never read defenses or exercise progresssions. One look at Swain and if he was covered he ran. What was he, a 2nd rounder by the Pats? Taken that high a draftee is given time and intensive training to develop. Some guys have it and some guys don't. Your statement is totally wrong. When he had an offensive line in front of him that was blocking long enough to make some quick reads, he was most excellent. People forget so fast what happened when he was just a sophomore at QB. Remember the last two years he was on the Mesa, he was stuck with Chuck Long as head coach, and Chuck did not understand the passing game. Here, lets look back at just one game when we had a coach who did understand the passing game. Oct. 1, 2005 SAN DIEGO (AP) - San Diego St. quarterback Kevin O'Connell completed his first 12 passes and ran for a touchdown to lead the Aztecs to a 31-10 win Saturday night over Brigham Young University. San Diego St. never trailed and won their first Mountain West Conference game of the season in front of 41,680 at Qualcomm Stadium. The Super High Powered Aztec Offense posted their first victory in San Diego against the Cougars since Nov. 5, 1988, a span of seven games... SDSU moved to 7-22-1 in the all-time BYU series (5-9-1 in San Diego).... SDSU's 21-point margin of victory is the Aztecs' second-highest in the series with BYU... The SDSU defense held BYU to just 10 points, the Cougars fewest in the series since 1986. * Tonight's attendance is 41,680. After three home games, the total attendance is 148,258. It is the highest total attendance in three consecutive home games in school history. The previous total was 143,652 set against Hawaii, Fresno State and Miami (Fla.) in 1992. *SDSU has now won back-to-back games by 21 or more points. It marks the first time the Aztecs have posted consecutive 21-point or more margins of victory in back-to-back games since 1999, when SDSU defeated UNLV 37-7 and Wyoming 39-7. * SDSU recorded four rushing touchdowns against BYU, its most in a game since also tallying four versus Wyoming on Nov. 17, 2001 (38-16 SDSU win). * Tonight, SDSU was 5-for-5 in the red zone. The Aztecs are 16-for-17 in red zone opportunities for the season. *SDSU has not trailed at any point in each of its last two outings. The last time the Aztecs went consecutive games without trailing was Nov. 22, 2003, when SDSU beat Air Force 24-3 and Sept. 4, 2004, when SDSU downed Idaho State, 38-21. *SDSU recorded its second consecutive game with more than 500 yards of total offense. The last time SDSU had more than 500 yards of total offense in back-to-back games was in 2002, when it had 574 yards versus Arizona State and 585 yards against Idaho. *Jeff Webb notes: Recorded his second consecutive game with 100 or more yards receiving and his eighth career game with 100-plus yards receiving... With his 13 catches for 129 yards, Webb moved his career numbers to 180 catches and 2,223 receiving yards. Webb moved from sixth into a tie for fourth in career receptions at SDSU with Tim Delaney. He also jumped from 11th to eighth in career receiving yards... Webb's 13 catches are a career-game high beating his previous high of 11 at Michigan a year ago... Webb has caught a pass in 26 consecutive games in which he has played and has caught at least three passes in 21 straight games in which he has played. PASSING: Brigham Young-BECK, John 25-49-2-261. San Diego State-O'CONNELL, Kevi 21-31-0-243. RECEIVING: Brigham Young-TAHI, Naufahu 8-80; HARLINE, Jonny 7-123; BROWN, Curtis 6-32; MEIKLE, Nathan 2-11; WATKINS, Todd 1-9; REED, Michael 1-6. San Diego State-WEBB, Jeff 13-129; Swain, Brett 3-74; SCHILENS, Chaze 2-26; EDWARDS, Marcus 1-13; Bornes, Brandon 1-7; HAMILTON, Lynel 1-minus 6. INTERCEPTIONS: Brigham Young-None. San Diego State-DEMPS, Marcus 1-28; Maze, Terrell 1-1. Remember this was a very immature team with 70 percent of the two deep only Freshmen and Sophomores. That because of a serious lack of talent in the last three recruiting classes of Ted Tollner. BYU went to a Bowl Game and SDSU fired their coach, again as we always do because he could not consistently win with all of those underclassmen in the offense and defense. So we then brought in a total buffoon who did not know how to use that tremendous wealth of talent. He did not further develop OC for the pros, either. What a total joke Long was.Great post, and exposes the JYP's of the world who don't look at the whole picture. Long's idea was to install a Midwest style offense that first year, KO's junior year. He was not off to a great start with the new regime. The JYP's of the world don't consider, or think about the whole picture of a player when evaluating them, obviously, unfortunately. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 1, 2010 16:49:07 GMT -8
Seriously? You watched film of KOC and came to the conclusion that he didn't have "it" and you knew better.... do you watch film on every prospect or just those from SDSU?? No, I used faulty parallelism in my phrasing. I don't watch films. I just watch games. Experts watch films. Novices watch games. Faulty? Yes, that is a word you could use but pretty much all of your words were unnecessary. In case you missed it, that is the point. |
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Post by torrey on Sept 5, 2010 14:44:35 GMT -8
Just a FYI...I've been told that Kevin has a torn labrum in his throwing shoulder and has been playing with it for awhile. He will be having surgery soon.
He tried to gut it out in camp, but I was told it really effected his throws. He is a tough Aztec!
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Post by Azthetic on Sept 8, 2010 15:54:05 GMT -8
The most recent episode of Hard Knocks had Kevin getting cut. He handled himself with class and dignity. The Jets GM said that he basically just got beat out by Clemens for the #3 job after Sanchez and Brunell.
It actually looked like Kevin had a chance if Clemens didn't accept a pay cut to play for the Jets. Oh so close.
If you get a chance to watch it, it's definitely worth it.
Good luck, Kevin. Hand in there.
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Post by aztech on Sept 8, 2010 17:37:23 GMT -8
Kevin was seriously shortchanged with having Long as his head coach in 2006 and 2007. He came to SDSU to learn the Pro style passing game that our school was famous for. Instead of that he got a moron for head coach who did not help his development one iota. Instead, he just got Long injured and bruised. I'll never forget Kevin Craft starting the Cal Poly game in 2006 and passing for two quick scores before Long telling him to only run plays from the sidelines after that because Long wanted to develop his running game. Damn, if Long did not find a way to lose that game with all of that running into the depth of the Cal Poly Defense. Amazing stupidity. If long had allowed Kevin to run the offense as he started out to do, we would have won by a score of fifty or more points. That's pretty cool Joe. And here we thought only Rocky Long was able to steal Aztec signs from the side line. |
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Post by goaztecs on Sept 8, 2010 18:37:05 GMT -8
Your statement is totally wrong. When he had an offensive line in front of him that was blocking long enough to make some quick reads, he was most excellent. People forget so fast what happened when he was just a sophomore at QB. Remember the last two years he was on the Mesa, he was stuck with Chuck Long as head coach, and Chuck did not understand the passing game. Here, lets look back at just one game when we had a coach who did understand the passing game. Oct. 1, 2005 SAN DIEGO (AP) - San Diego St. quarterback Kevin O'Connell completed his first 12 passes and ran for a touchdown to lead the Aztecs to a 31-10 win Saturday night over Brigham Young University. San Diego St. never trailed and won their first Mountain West Conference game of the season in front of 41,680 at Qualcomm Stadium. The Super High Powered Aztec Offense posted their first victory in San Diego against the Cougars since Nov. 5, 1988, a span of seven games... SDSU moved to 7-22-1 in the all-time BYU series (5-9-1 in San Diego).... SDSU's 21-point margin of victory is the Aztecs' second-highest in the series with BYU... The SDSU defense held BYU to just 10 points, the Cougars fewest in the series since 1986. * Tonight's attendance is 41,680. After three home games, the total attendance is 148,258. It is the highest total attendance in three consecutive home games in school history. The previous total was 143,652 set against Hawaii, Fresno State and Miami (Fla.) in 1992. *SDSU has now won back-to-back games by 21 or more points. It marks the first time the Aztecs have posted consecutive 21-point or more margins of victory in back-to-back games since 1999, when SDSU defeated UNLV 37-7 and Wyoming 39-7. * SDSU recorded four rushing touchdowns against BYU, its most in a game since also tallying four versus Wyoming on Nov. 17, 2001 (38-16 SDSU win). * Tonight, SDSU was 5-for-5 in the red zone. The Aztecs are 16-for-17 in red zone opportunities for the season. *SDSU has not trailed at any point in each of its last two outings. The last time the Aztecs went consecutive games without trailing was Nov. 22, 2003, when SDSU beat Air Force 24-3 and Sept. 4, 2004, when SDSU downed Idaho State, 38-21. *SDSU recorded its second consecutive game with more than 500 yards of total offense. The last time SDSU had more than 500 yards of total offense in back-to-back games was in 2002, when it had 574 yards versus Arizona State and 585 yards against Idaho. *Jeff Webb notes: Recorded his second consecutive game with 100 or more yards receiving and his eighth career game with 100-plus yards receiving... With his 13 catches for 129 yards, Webb moved his career numbers to 180 catches and 2,223 receiving yards. Webb moved from sixth into a tie for fourth in career receptions at SDSU with Tim Delaney. He also jumped from 11th to eighth in career receiving yards... Webb's 13 catches are a career-game high beating his previous high of 11 at Michigan a year ago... Webb has caught a pass in 26 consecutive games in which he has played and has caught at least three passes in 21 straight games in which he has played. PASSING: Brigham Young-BECK, John 25-49-2-261. San Diego State-O'CONNELL, Kevi 21-31-0-243. RECEIVING: Brigham Young-TAHI, Naufahu 8-80; HARLINE, Jonny 7-123; BROWN, Curtis 6-32; MEIKLE, Nathan 2-11; WATKINS, Todd 1-9; REED, Michael 1-6. San Diego State-WEBB, Jeff 13-129; Swain, Brett 3-74; SCHILENS, Chaze 2-26; EDWARDS, Marcus 1-13; Bornes, Brandon 1-7; HAMILTON, Lynel 1-minus 6. INTERCEPTIONS: Brigham Young-None. San Diego State-DEMPS, Marcus 1-28; Maze, Terrell 1-1. Remember this was a very immature team with 70 percent of the two deep only Freshmen and Sophomores. That because of a serious lack of talent in the last three recruiting classes of Ted Tollner. BYU went to a Bowl Game and SDSU fired their coach, again as we always do because he could not consistently win with all of those underclassmen in the offense and defense. So we then brought in a total buffoon who did not know how to use that tremendous wealth of talent. He did not further develop OC for the pros, either. What a total joke Long was.Great post, and exposes the JYP's of the world who don't look at the whole picture. Long's idea was to install a Midwest style offense that first year, KO's junior year. He was not off to a great start with the new regime. The JYP's of the world don't consider, or think about the whole picture of a player when evaluating them, obviously, unfortunately. Good post. We have been way behind where we were in 05. We should of gone 7-5 that year. Yes, what a joke Long was. |
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Post by The Great Aztec Joe on Sept 8, 2010 20:09:57 GMT -8
QB Kevin O'Connell will return to Jets on two-year deal
Published: Wednesday, September 08, 2010, 11:13 PM
In Episode 4 of HBO's "Hard Knocks," Jets general manager Mike Tannenbaum sends Kevin O'Connell home, telling him he didn't work out as the No. 2 quarterback of the future. But turns out, the 25-year old will be part of the Jets' future.
O'Connell will be re-signed to a two-year deal with the Jets, as first reported by a radio station in his college town of San Diego, a person with direct knowledge of the move said tonight. The person requested anonymity because the team had not announced the transaction.
O'Connell tore his labrum during the preseason, as previously reported, so he's expected to go straight to injured reserve for the rest of the season -- and not take up a spot on the 53-man roster. Labrum tears generally require surgery and several months of recovery.
The Jets first acquired O'Connell via a trade with Detroit last September. They waived him before the fourth preseason game and kept Kellen Clemens as their No. 3 quarterback when Clemens agreed to take a pay cut.
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Post by saucematix on Sept 8, 2010 22:05:33 GMT -8
NFL network reports Kevin O COnnel has been resigned....
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Post by Deleted on Sept 8, 2010 22:21:47 GMT -8
Good for KOC!!!
It's a good thing for Kevin that the people in charge for the NY Jets don't watch film like some of the 'experts', who post on this message board.
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Post by sleeveless on Sept 8, 2010 22:39:12 GMT -8
Nice. Who signed him?
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Post by AztecTom on Sept 8, 2010 22:42:22 GMT -8
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Post by Morpheus on Sept 9, 2010 7:36:59 GMT -8
Well it looks liek the Jets may know a little more than a couple resident frauds on thsi board who think they know way more than they actually do.
All the best to Kevin in his recovery. He is a fine example of an Aztec. Too bad that while at SDSU he didn't have someone like Brady Hoke, Brain Sipe and Al Borges to work with in his Junior and Senior years.
In case some of you A-holes forget, KO single handedly won a couple games for us his senior year. Anybody remember that CSU game?
And classy move by the Jets to bring him back on a 2 year deal and let him rehab in an NFL environment.
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Post by johneaztec on Sept 9, 2010 8:40:43 GMT -8
Well it looks liek the Jets may know a little more than a couple resident frauds on thsi board who think they know way more than they actually do. All the best to Kevin in his recovery. He is a fine example of an Aztec. Too bad that while at SDSU he didn't have someone like Brady Hoke, Brain Sipe and Al Borges to work with in his Junior and Senior years. In case some of you A-holes forget, KO single handedly won a couple games for us his senior year. Anybody remember that CSU game? And classy move by the Jets to bring him back on a 2 year deal and let him rehab in an NFL environment. We all know who those so called experts are and the ones who think they know all the ins and outs of a situation.  For example: KO had a significant injury that he tried to fight through. The Jets knew this and did what they had to do. |
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Post by fatmanaztec on Sept 9, 2010 8:55:58 GMT -8
The Jets know what they are doing as the Hard Knocks episode about Clemens taking a pay cut for a 'guaranteed contract' included the G.M. telling him that he will be a free agent at the end of the year and will be able to go where ever he wants or thinks he will have a chance to start...why rid your self of a guy you traded for who is hurt and can conceivably come back next year as a solid #3 or even #2 as Gray Beard Burnell is no spring chicken...nice move by the Jets and best of luck to KO with the surgery and rehab...'Aztecs for Life'
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Post by johneaztec on Sept 9, 2010 17:34:14 GMT -8
Any way to change title to "Jets resign KO"? Exactly. Hey, where's JYP? |
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Post by Morpheus on Sept 9, 2010 18:31:54 GMT -8
Any way to change title to "Jets resign KO"? Exactly. Hey, where's JYP? By all accounts JYP is a great guy. However the guy has made a name for himself by predicting theat the FB team will be lousy or underachive for the last 10 years. And lets be honest he has been right. But its not like it would take Bill Polian to know that this Athletic department has been such a catastrophe that we haven't had 1 winning season in the last 10, which should have happened purely by accident. So take his "insights' for what they are. |
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Post by johneaztec on Sept 9, 2010 19:42:19 GMT -8
Exactly. Hey, where's JYP? By all accounts JYP is a great guy. However the guy has made a name for himself by predicting theat the FB team will be lousy or underachive for the last 10 years. And lets be honest he has been right. But its not like it would take Bill Polian to know that this Athletic department has been such a catastrophe that we haven't had 1 winning season in the last 10, which should have happened purely by accident. So take his "insights' for what they are. I'm sure he's a good guy who just happens to not know what he's talking about half the time. On top of that, I'm sure he's enjoying the fact that we're talking about him. So I'm done with it. |
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