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Post by ernieaztec on Jul 11, 2012 10:35:37 GMT -8
i thought stars dont matter?
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Post by spgonzo on Jul 11, 2012 10:50:06 GMT -8
i thought stars dont matter? They do matter, but not as much as an offer list IMO. Like I always say, no matter how much you want to put into stars and things like that, an offer list is the only quantitative data to compare similar prospects. Take this quote from Marcus Stamps coach: "'Every major school on the west coast' had taken note of this and had come by Jefferson to check on Stamps, but most didn't know exactly where to put him. 'Other schools liked him athletically, they liked him as a talent but they weren't necessarily sure whether he would be on the defensive end or on the offensive end on the ball." So he was so athletic and so versatile that others did not offer him? The kid has good grades, so it isn't that. He plays in the LA City Section and his coach said people are coming by the school so it is obviously not exposure.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 11, 2012 11:53:48 GMT -8
i thought stars dont matter? They do matter, but not as much as an offer list IMO. Like is always say, no matter how much you want to put into stars and things like that, an offer list is the only quantitative data to compare similar prospects. Take this quote from Marcus Stamps coach: "'Every major school on the west coast' had taken note of this and had come by Jefferson to check on Stamps, but most didn't know exactly where to put him. 'Other schools liked him athletically, they liked him as a talent but they weren't necessarily sure whether he would be on the defensive end or on the offensive end on the ball." So he was so athletic and so versatile that others did not offer him? The kid has good grades, so it isn't that. He plays in the LA City Section and his coach said people are coming by the school so it is obviously not exposure. Not having played a lick of tackle football myself, I have difficulty judging the talent of a lineman much on the basis of film or watching them in a single game. However, that isn't so with skill guys. As an example, since we got a commitment from Nick Begg, I watched most of the replay of Santa Margarita against San Clemente the other night and wasn't all that impressed with the S.C. QB who's going to Utah. Throwing motion is so low I think he could struggle at the next level despite his height. So although I'll defer to others on Rosales, I have my own impression of Stamps and that is the kid could be very, very good. For a guy who is going to run past LBs and over cornerbacks, Stamps has very good moves and pretty good speed. That said, however, it similarly concerns me that our staff has said he's going to be the best recruit in this class? Really? At this point in time, I would think we should be able to get several guys with that much talent.
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Post by k5james on Jul 11, 2012 13:17:07 GMT -8
They do matter, but not as much as an offer list IMO. Like is always say, no matter how much you want to put into stars and things like that, an offer list is the only quantitative data to compare similar prospects. Take this quote from Marcus Stamps coach: "'Every major school on the west coast' had taken note of this and had come by Jefferson to check on Stamps, but most didn't know exactly where to put him. 'Other schools liked him athletically, they liked him as a talent but they weren't necessarily sure whether he would be on the defensive end or on the offensive end on the ball." So he was so athletic and so versatile that others did not offer him? The kid has good grades, so it isn't that. He plays in the LA City Section and his coach said people are coming by the school so it is obviously not exposure. Not having played a lick of tackle football myself, I have difficulty judging the talent of a lineman much on the basis of film or watching them in a single game. However, that isn't so with skill guys. As an example, since we got a commitment from Nick Begg, I watched most of the replay of Santa Margarita against San Clemente the other night and wasn't all that impressed with the S.C. QB who's going to Utah. Throwing motion is so low I think he could struggle at the next level despite his height. So although I'll defer to others on Rosales, I have my own impression of Stamps and that is the kid could be very, very good. For a guy who is going to run past LBs and over cornerbacks, Stamps has very good moves and pretty good speed. That said, however, it similarly concerns me that our staff has said he's going to be the best recruit in this class? Really? At this point in time, I would think we should be able to get several guys with that much talent. To be fair they said "most important" not "best."
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Post by aztech on Jul 11, 2012 13:33:10 GMT -8
I think any lineman can be raw or have bad habits. Those are correctable. From what I've read the key is having quick feet which means coordination. Without that there's little or no potential.
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Post by dshawfan on Jul 11, 2012 13:49:12 GMT -8
One thing I like about this kid and Braxton Isaac is that they both finish blocks and get downfield. And they have huge frames. Our OL is going to be massive in a few years. This is what I am liking, they seem to have nice frames to start with. Looking forward to what happens to them after some time in a D1 weight program.
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Post by spgonzo on Jul 11, 2012 14:16:40 GMT -8
Not having played a lick of tackle football myself, I have difficulty judging the talent of a lineman much on the basis of film or watching them in a single game. However, that isn't so with skill guys. As an example, since we got a commitment from Nick Begg, I watched most of the replay of Santa Margarita against San Clemente the other night and wasn't all that impressed with the S.C. QB who's going to Utah. Throwing motion is so low I think he could struggle at the next level despite his height. So although I'll defer to others on Rosales, I have my own impression of Stamps and that is the kid could be very, very good. For a guy who is going to run past LBs and over cornerbacks, Stamps has very good moves and pretty good speed. That said, however, it similarly concerns me that our staff has said he's going to be the best recruit in this class? Really? At this point in time, I would think we should be able to get several guys with that much talent. To be fair they said "most important" not "best." It is all coach speak if you ask me. What makes someone the most important recruit? He is not a local product. He is being recruiting as a RB, which is not a position of great need. The next commit will be the most important and the one after that will be more important and so on and so on.
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Post by k5james on Jul 11, 2012 14:19:08 GMT -8
To be fair they said "most important" not "best." It is all coach speak if you ask me. What makes someone the most important recruit? He is not a local product. He is being recruiting as a RB, which is not a position of great need. The next commit will be the most important. No, they appearantly felt the team needs a big bruising type back for the BE and he fits the bill.
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Post by myownwords on Jul 11, 2012 15:11:34 GMT -8
That's Isaac. Rosales has no other offers. Gotta think he redshirts in 2013 and then maybe makes a bid for the two-deep in 2015. To put it another way, he has Project written all over him. I have no problem with a couple such players per class but am crossing my fingers that he's going to be an aberration in that sense. He's VERY raw, but he has a huge frame and a mean streak. He's definitely a project but has a ton of upside IMHO. With so few scholarships this year (17 or 18?) can we afford "projects"? Isn't that a luxury for the USC's? And even with them, they probably wouldn't do it unless they had 25 or more to give out. Seems to me that we should be looking for the absolute very best that we can get who can play ASAP.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 11, 2012 15:39:31 GMT -8
They do matter, but not as much as an offer list IMO. Like is always say, no matter how much you want to put into stars and things like that, an offer list is the only quantitative data to compare similar prospects. Take this quote from Marcus Stamps coach: "'Every major school on the west coast' had taken note of this and had come by Jefferson to check on Stamps, but most didn't know exactly where to put him. 'Other schools liked him athletically, they liked him as a talent but they weren't necessarily sure whether he would be on the defensive end or on the offensive end on the ball." So he was so athletic and so versatile that others did not offer him? The kid has good grades, so it isn't that. He plays in the LA City Section and his coach said people are coming by the school so it is obviously not exposure. Not having played a lick of tackle football myself, I have difficulty judging the talent of a lineman much on the basis of film or watching them in a single game. However, that isn't so with skill guys. As an example, since we got a commitment from Nick Begg, I watched most of the replay of Santa Margarita against San Clemente the other night and wasn't all that impressed with the S.C. QB who's going to Utah. Throwing motion is so low I think he could struggle at the next level despite his height. So although I'll defer to others on Rosales, I have my own impression of Stamps and that is the kid could be very, very good. For a guy who is going to run past LBs and over cornerbacks, Stamps has very good moves and pretty good speed. That said, however, it similarly concerns me that our staff has said he's going to be the best recruit in this class? Really? At this point in time, I would think we should be able to get several guys with that much talent. Well since my son was a nose tackle I got a pretty good idea of what they are looking for having been to a couple of camps. They want size of course,footwork,agreesivenss good hips and able to use thier hands,low pad level as well.. A lot of guys are late bloomers and they play behind someone or awhile.
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Post by myownwords on Jul 11, 2012 16:01:34 GMT -8
Wow, who would have thought that we'd be trailing Tulane and Rice in recruiting?
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Post by AztecTom on Jul 11, 2012 16:10:55 GMT -8
Wow, who would have thought that we'd be trailing Tulane and Rice in recruiting? Won't be that way come signing day.
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Post by RockNFish on Jul 11, 2012 16:38:57 GMT -8
Not sure why we're waisting scholarships on these types of players - if we would just hire Bill Cower, I'm sure we'd have 20 5* by now.
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Post by myownwords on Jul 11, 2012 17:22:34 GMT -8
Not sure why we're waisting scholarships on these types of players - if we would just hire Bill Cower, I'm sure we'd have 20 5* by now. Well now, I do like your thinking. Bill been calling lately?
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Post by badfish on Jul 11, 2012 19:58:05 GMT -8
Jeeze, give the kid a chance. Rocky must have seen something in him to offer him a scholly.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 11, 2012 22:05:12 GMT -8
I do not know what some of you guys expect. Do you expect us after two wining seasons and still in the Mountain West to get 20 three star players? I mean seriously. If we have a solid season nine or more wins and we do end up in the Big east,then we will have a strong recruiting year. We were god awful down the stretch Kazee was out Hillman was half speed two o'lineman were walking wounded etc. We lost to a damn Sunbelt team. You expect us to out recruit who UCLA? Arizona? Begg,Rosales and Wells are all Big athletic guys six foot five and lean, a bit raw, but a couple of years of coaching, and weight work they should be fine. Big Mike was a walk on so was Brandon Darby both All conference.nobody offered Psycho Kyle Turley, he was 220 pounds. Line man are different than skill players we have recruited many good skill players many of them three star by one service or the other. Keep hearing how small we are,were not small at all. Four defensive ends in the 260 range a 275 DT. Our oline is 6'4 and taller except for 6'3 Johnson all about 295 to 305. Sure we could have them at 330 and slow.For years Nebraska built it's Oline with walk ons. If your big have decent feet, work out hard, and are coach able (and not stupid) you can play o'line. Not the case with d'line or any other position.
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Post by bschmurda on Jul 11, 2012 22:10:25 GMT -8
I do not know what some of you guys expect. Do you expect us after two wining seasons and still in the Mountain West to get 20 three star players? I mean seriously. If we have a solid season nine or more wins and we do end up in the Big east,then we will have a strong recruiting year. We were god awful down the stretch Kazee was out Hillman was half speed two o'lineman were walking wounded etc. We lost to a damn Sunbelt team. You expect us to out recruit who UCLA? Arizona? Begg,Rosales and Wells are all Big athletic guys six foot five and lean, a bit raw, but a couple of years of coaching, and weight work they should be fine. Big Mike was a walk on so was Brandon Darby both All conference.nobody offered Psycho Kyle Turley, he was 220 pounds. Line man are different than skill players we have recruited many good skill players many of them three star by one service or the other. Keep hearing how small we are,were not small at all. Four defensive ends in the 260 range a 275 DT. Our oline is 6'4 and taller except for 6'3 Johnson all about 295 to 305. Sure we could have them at 330 and slow.For years Nebraska built it's Oline with walk ons. If your big have decent feet, work out hard, and are coach able (and not stupid) you can play o'line. Not the case with d'line or any other position. Great Post
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Post by myownwords on Jul 12, 2012 5:22:09 GMT -8
I do not know what some of you guys expect. Do you expect us after two wining seasons and still in the Mountain West to get 20 three star players? I mean seriously. If we have a solid season nine or more wins and we do end up in the Big east,then we will have a strong recruiting year. We were god awful down the stretch Kazee was out Hillman was half speed two o'lineman were walking wounded etc. We lost to a damn Sunbelt team. You expect us to out recruit who UCLA? Arizona? Begg,Rosales and Wells are all Big athletic guys six foot five and lean, a bit raw, but a couple of years of coaching, and weight work they should be fine. Big Mike was a walk on so was Brandon Darby both All conference.nobody offered Psycho Kyle Turley, he was 220 pounds. Line man are different than skill players we have recruited many good skill players many of them three star by one service or the other. Keep hearing how small we are,were not small at all. Four defensive ends in the 260 range a 275 DT. Our oline is 6'4 and taller except for 6'3 Johnson all about 295 to 305. Sure we could have them at 330 and slow.For years Nebraska built it's Oline with walk ons. If your big have decent feet, work out hard, and are coach able (and not stupid) you can play o'line. Not the case with d'line or any other position. The problem is, that is you go back over the past 8 years of recruiting you'll see pretty much the same thing you've just outlined. Except for one season, the recruited O-line were the same size as they are now, so were was the D. As to "footwork"? I have no idea, but I have no reason to believe that is any different in that regard than they were 3 years or 8 years ago. They were 2 and 3 stars then and that's where we are today.
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Post by aztecfankrishnan on Jul 12, 2012 5:39:05 GMT -8
I do not know what some of you guys expect. Do you expect us after two wining seasons and still in the Mountain West to get 20 three star players? I mean seriously. If we have a solid season nine or more wins and we do end up in the Big east,then we will have a strong recruiting year. We were god awful down the stretch Kazee was out Hillman was half speed two o'lineman were walking wounded etc. We lost to a damn Sunbelt team. You expect us to out recruit who UCLA? Arizona? Begg,Rosales and Wells are all Big athletic guys six foot five and lean, a bit raw, but a couple of years of coaching, and weight work they should be fine. Big Mike was a walk on so was Brandon Darby both All conference.nobody offered Psycho Kyle Turley, he was 220 pounds. Line man are different than skill players we have recruited many good skill players many of them three star by one service or the other. Keep hearing how small we are,were not small at all. Four defensive ends in the 260 range a 275 DT. Our oline is 6'4 and taller except for 6'3 Johnson all about 295 to 305. Sure we could have them at 330 and slow.For years Nebraska built it's Oline with walk ons. If your big have decent feet, work out hard, and are coach able (and not stupid) you can play o'line. Not the case with d'line or any other position. The problem is, that is you go back over the past 8 years of recruiting you'll see pretty much the same thing you've just outlined. Except for one season, the recruited O-line were the same size as they are now, so were was the D. As to "footwork"? I have no idea, but I have no reason to believe that is any different in that regard than they were 3 years or 8 years ago. They were 2 and 3 stars then and that's where we are today. Well when those O-line recruits finally got "coached up" properly the last three years they have been pretty good. Just helped put a RB and QB in the NFL. They are going to continue to get better as each class gets a full 5 years in the program with a proper weight training regimen. It wasnt the recruiting that was the problem it was the coaching/program. Sent from my DROID BIONIC using ProBoards
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Post by k5james on Jul 12, 2012 5:43:20 GMT -8
I do not know what some of you guys expect. Do you expect us after two wining seasons and still in the Mountain West to get 20 three star players? I mean seriously. If we have a solid season nine or more wins and we do end up in the Big east,then we will have a strong recruiting year. We were god awful down the stretch Kazee was out Hillman was half speed two o'lineman were walking wounded etc. We lost to a damn Sunbelt team. You expect us to out recruit who UCLA? Arizona? Begg,Rosales and Wells are all Big athletic guys six foot five and lean, a bit raw, but a couple of years of coaching, and weight work they should be fine. Big Mike was a walk on so was Brandon Darby both All conference.nobody offered Psycho Kyle Turley, he was 220 pounds. Line man are different than skill players we have recruited many good skill players many of them three star by one service or the other. Keep hearing how small we are,were not small at all. Four defensive ends in the 260 range a 275 DT. Our oline is 6'4 and taller except for 6'3 Johnson all about 295 to 305. Sure we could have them at 330 and slow.For years Nebraska built it's Oline with walk ons. If your big have decent feet, work out hard, and are coach able (and not stupid) you can play o'line. Not the case with d'line or any other position. The problem is, that is you go back over the past 8 years of recruiting you'll see pretty much the same thing you've just outlined. Except for one season, the recruited O-line were the same size as they are now, so were was the D. As to "footwork"? I have no idea, but I have no reason to believe that is any different in that regard than they were 3 years or 8 years ago. They were 2 and 3 stars then and that's where we are today. Last year's OL class was the best in the history of our program.
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