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Post by spgonzo on Jul 6, 2012 9:54:32 GMT -8
You can look at it however you want. There is no momentum right now. It is not trending in the right direction. That's YOUR opinion based on severely incomplete data. + Ok, lets compare the 2012 class then. That is complete. Our 2012 recruits will be RS Frosh or Sophomore when we start BE play. Rutgers- one 5*, four 4*, thirteen 3* Louisville- three 4*, sixteen 3* Pitt- four 4*, ten 3* USF- two 4*, sixteen 3* Cincinnati- twenty five 3 star Last ranked BE Class for 2012 was UConn with nine 3* SDSU- six 3*
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Post by spgonzo on Jul 6, 2012 9:55:59 GMT -8
Ernie and spgonzo sitting under a tree k-i-s-s-i-n-g... First comes bitchiness Then comes pessimism Go back to sucking your thumbs cry babies! LOL, and this is a grown ass man writing this? Wow. I thought we were all adults having adult discussions. I am a fan, I am just a realist also.
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Post by GothamCityRogue on Jul 6, 2012 10:04:37 GMT -8
Ernie and spgonzo sitting under a tree k-i-s-s-i-n-g... First comes bitchiness Then comes pessimism Go back to sucking your thumbs cry babies! LOL, and this is a grown ass man writing this? Wow. I thought we were all adults having adult discussions. I am a fan, I am just a realist also. A grown man with a sense of humor. Reality is understanding that SDSU is rising. "Star" players will trickle in slowly, but surely. What's been repeated often on here a certain few (not only you and ernie) is bitchiness, chicken-littleness and ARE WE THERE YET entitlement attitudes.
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Post by k5james on Jul 6, 2012 10:07:59 GMT -8
That's YOUR opinion based on severely incomplete data. + Ok, lets compare the 2012 class then. That is complete. Our 2012 recruits will be RS Frosh or Sophomore when we start BE play. Rutgers- one 5*, four 4*, thirteen 3* Louisville- three 4*, sixteen 3* Pitt- four 4*, ten 3* USF- two 4*, sixteen 3* Cincinnati- twenty five 3 star Last ranked BE Class for 2012 was UConn with nine 3* SDSU- six 3* We've already discusses how last year's class was underrated by Rivals. Scout had us with 8 *** 247Sports had us with 11 ***
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Post by spgonzo on Jul 6, 2012 10:11:11 GMT -8
LOL, and this is a grown ass man writing this? Wow. I thought we were all adults having adult discussions. I am a fan, I am just a realist also. A grown man with a sense of humor. Reality is understanding that SDSU is rising. "Star" players will trickle in slowly, but surely. What's been repeated often on here a certain few (not only you and ernie) is bitchiness, chicken-littleness and ARE WE THERE YET entitlement attitudes. I understand all of that but UCF is rising, SMU is rising, Houston is rising. I am not saying we need to get 4 or 5 stars now, it probably won't happen for a few more years. Reality is that we are behind our Big East brethren.
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Post by spgonzo on Jul 6, 2012 10:13:19 GMT -8
+ Ok, lets compare the 2012 class then. That is complete. Our 2012 recruits will be RS Frosh or Sophomore when we start BE play. Rutgers- one 5*, four 4*, thirteen 3* Louisville- three 4*, sixteen 3* Pitt- four 4*, ten 3* USF- two 4*, sixteen 3* Cincinnati- twenty five 3 star Last ranked BE Class for 2012 was UConn with nine 3* SDSU- six 3* We've already discusses how last year's class was underrated by Rivals. Scout had us with 8 *** 247Sports had us with 11 *** I gave you complete data using the same recruiting service for the stats. If we had eight 3*, UConn probably had 10. We need to compare apples to apples. It still doesn't change the fact that we would have been the last ranked class in the BE for 2012. I just thought we would have more momentum from back to back bowls and the BE. Also guys, I love this board and I know I may get under people skin with my perceived negativity. I just expect more, we all should. There was a time in basketball where we got who we got and now we expect guys like Kawhii and Winston. None of us would be happy if we got a 2 star with no offers in basketball, but for football we try to spin it like we are getting an All-American type talent who was just under recruited. I think it is time to start the higher expectations for football too. Now is the time to start in my opinion.
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Post by GothamCityRogue on Jul 6, 2012 10:25:54 GMT -8
A grown man with a sense of humor. Reality is understanding that SDSU is rising. "Star" players will trickle in slowly, but surely. What's been repeated often on here a certain few (not only you and ernie) is bitchiness, chicken-littleness and ARE WE THERE YET entitlement attitudes. I understand all of that but UCF is rising, SMU is rising, Houston is rising. I am not saying we need to get 4 or 5 stars now, it probably won't happen for a few more years. Reality is that we are behind our Big East brethren. Let us look at other factors then. UCF- O'leary has been with the Golden Knights for 9+ years as HC. Recruits probably feel more comfortable committing to a coach that has been with the program for more than 4 years. It's a sign of stability. Rocky has only been HC for 1, going into 2 years. Also, the GKs are been on the rise slightly longer than the Aztecs. Houston- Coaching stability doesn't apply to the cougars, Sumlin was there only 3 years. But they went to back-to-back bowls and were ranked in 2009, not to mention C-USA champs. Like the GKs, slight higher rise than the Aztecs. Also, Texas is the only state that produces more D1 players than Cali. HS football is embedded into Tejas culture. SMU- Not sure. But I'll be a smart ass and say that they're paying players again and allowing 'em to kill call girls.
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Post by k5james on Jul 6, 2012 11:02:21 GMT -8
We've already discusses how last year's class was underrated by Rivals. Scout had us with 8 *** 247Sports had us with 11 *** I gave you complete data using the same recruiting service for the stats. If we had eight 3*, UConn probably had 10. We need to compare apples to apples. It still doesn't change the fact that we would have been the last ranked class in the BE for 2012. I just thought we would have more momentum from back to back bowls and the BE. Also guys, I love this board and I know I may get under people skin with my perceived negativity. I just expect more, we all should. There was a time in basketball where we got who we got and now we expect guys like Kawhii and Winston. None of us would be happy if we got a 2 star with no offers in basketball, but for football we try to spin it like we are getting an All-American type talent who was just under recruited. I think it is time to start the higher expectations for football too. Now is the time to start in my opinion. Look how long it took us to get to the level where we are getting the Kawhi's and Winston's of the world. What you're doing is akin to being pissed off because the basketball program "only" got a Richie Williams after our first stretch of moderate success in basketball.
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Post by spgonzo on Jul 6, 2012 11:12:28 GMT -8
I gave you complete data using the same recruiting service for the stats. If we had eight 3*, UConn probably had 10. We need to compare apples to apples. It still doesn't change the fact that we would have been the last ranked class in the BE for 2012. I just thought we would have more momentum from back to back bowls and the BE. Also guys, I love this board and I know I may get under people skin with my perceived negativity. I just expect more, we all should. There was a time in basketball where we got who we got and now we expect guys like Kawhii and Winston. None of us would be happy if we got a 2 star with no offers in basketball, but for football we try to spin it like we are getting an All-American type talent who was just under recruited. I think it is time to start the higher expectations for football too. Now is the time to start in my opinion. Look how long it took us to get to the level where we are getting the Kawhi's and Winston's of the world. What you're doing is akin to being pissed off because the basketball program "only" got a Richie Williams after our first stretch of moderate success in basketball. Why don't you stop being a dick and just let people have their opinions instead of shitting on them because it wasn't positive or optimistic enough for you. You can be happy with the mediocrity in our recruiting if you want. I know it is a process, I have agreed with you on that many times. But $#!+ man, when are our expectations as going to rise? Sure, we aren't going to get the Winston Shepard's of football right now, but we can we at least expect a few Chase Tapley of football instead of the Alec William's?
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Post by k5james on Jul 6, 2012 11:15:59 GMT -8
Look how long it took us to get to the level where we are getting the Kawhi's and Winston's of the world. What you're doing is akin to being pissed off because the basketball program "only" got a Richie Williams after our first stretch of moderate success in basketball. Why don't you stop being a dick and just let people have their opinions instead of shitting on them because it wasn't positive or optimistic enough for you. You can be happy with the mediocrity in our recruiting if you want. I know it is a process, I have agreed with you on that many times. But $#!+ man, when are our expectations going to change? Sure, we aren't going to get the Winston Shepard's of football right now, but we can we at least expect a few Chase Tapley of football? Oh, I'm sorry, I thought we were having a discussion? We are getting the Chase Tapleys of football, you're just not seeing it.
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Post by spgonzo on Jul 6, 2012 11:28:15 GMT -8
Why don't you stop being a dick and just let people have their opinions instead of shitting on them because it wasn't positive or optimistic enough for you. You can be happy with the mediocrity in our recruiting if you want. I know it is a process, I have agreed with you on that many times. But $#!+ man, when are our expectations going to change? Sure, we aren't going to get the Winston Shepard's of football right now, but we can we at least expect a few Chase Tapley of football? Oh, I'm sorry, I thought we were having a discussion? We are getting the Chase Tapleys of football, you're just not seeing it. No, I mean I want way more high 3 star guys with some major offers instead of Alec Williams, 2 star, no major offers. K. Miller is a Chase Tapley, David Wells is an Alec Williams. Until we get more Miller's than Wells I will not be happy. But again, I have higher expectations I guess.
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Post by k5james on Jul 6, 2012 11:39:56 GMT -8
Oh, I'm sorry, I thought we were having a discussion? We are getting the Chase Tapleys of football, you're just not seeing it. No, I mean I want way more high 3 star guys with some major offers instead of Alec Williams, 2 star, not major offers. K. Miller is a Chase Tapley, David Wells is an Alec Williams. Until we get more Miller than Wells I will not be happy. But again, I have higher expectations i guess. Last years class had; Aaron Boesch Arthur Flores Malcolm Jackson Eric Judge Damontae Kazee Austin Maass Kendrick Mathis Kwayde Miller Lloyd Mills Matt Morin Jeff Overbaugh Teddy Queen Nico Siragusa Who all received offers from AQ schools. After its all said and done, this class, like last year's class, will have more Tapleys. If it doesn't, I'll be right there with you bitching.
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Post by GothamCityRogue on Jul 6, 2012 11:53:25 GMT -8
No, I mean I want way more high 3 star guys with some major offers instead of Alec Williams, 2 star, not major offers. K. Miller is a Chase Tapley, David Wells is an Alec Williams. Until we get more Miller than Wells I will not be happy. But again, I have higher expectations i guess. Last years class had; Aaron Boesch Arthur Flores Malcolm Jackson Eric Judge Damontae Kazee Austin Maass Kendrick Mathis Kwayde Miller Lloyd Mills Matt Morin Jeff Overbaugh Teddy Queen Nico Siragusa Who all received offers from AQ schools. After its all said and done, this class, like last year's class, will have more Tapleys. If it doesn't, I'll be right there with you bitching. Boech xferred to SDSU over The U (Miami). That ought to tell you something, Gonzo.
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Post by spgonzo on Jul 6, 2012 12:25:19 GMT -8
Last years class had; Aaron Boesch Arthur Flores Malcolm Jackson Eric Judge Damontae Kazee Austin Maass Kendrick Mathis Kwayde Miller Lloyd Mills Matt Morin Jeff Overbaugh Teddy Queen Nico Siragusa Who all received offers from AQ schools. After its all said and done, this class, like last year's class, will have more Tapleys. If it doesn't, I'll be right there with you bitching. Boech xferred to SDSU over The U (Miami). That ought to tell you something, Gonzo. Ok guys. I hope I am wrong. I am just not impressed. I am born and raised in San Diego and I am also an Arizona State Alum. I see things from the middle of the pack Pac-12 team and I see things from the middle of the pack MWC team. I have followed these two program's recruiting for about 10 years now, basically since Rivals started their database. I just see the expectation level at ASU as far as recruiting is concerned and it is just so drastically different. The recruits that AQ teams like ASU battle for are completely different. If ASU gets only three or four 4* recruits it is a disappointment. The thing with ASU is that we are always in it until the end with a lot of high major recruits, top 3. We battle the USC's and Oregon's and we win and lose some, but there is an certain expectation level when you play in a bigger conference. I guess I unfairly try to compare SDSU to ASU. I just hope for the day were a kid has 3 hats in front if him on national TV and he picks the SDSU hat over some other heavy hitters. This is what makes recruiting so much fun for me right here.
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Post by k5james on Jul 6, 2012 12:36:44 GMT -8
Boech xferred to SDSU over The U (Miami). That ought to tell you something, Gonzo. Ok guys. I hope I am wrong. I am just not impressed. I am born and raised in San Diego and I am also an Arizona State Alum. I see things from the middle of the pack Pac-12 team and I see things from the middle of the pack MWC team. I have followed these two program's recruiting for about 10 years now, basically since Rivals started their database. I just see the expectation level at ASU as far as recruiting is concerned and it is just so drastically different. The recruits that AQ teams like ASU battle for are completely different. If ASU gets only three or four 4* recruits it is a disappointment. The thing with ASU is that we are always in it until the end with a lot of high major recruits, top 3. We battle the USC's and Oregon's and we win and lose some, but there is an certain expectation level when you play in a bigger conference. I guess I unfairly try to compare SDSU to ASU. I just hope for the day were a kid has 3 hats in front if him on national TV and he picks the SDSU hat over some other heavy hitters. This is what makes recruiting so much fun for me right here. We'll get there, we just have to continue to win and coach up the guys we get that fit our "model." That's the proven method other Non-AQs have used to succeed. Look at it like this, we're just starting the Brandon Heath era of Aztec Football.
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Post by spgonzo on Jul 6, 2012 12:56:32 GMT -8
Ok guys. I hope I am wrong. I am just not impressed. I am born and raised in San Diego and I am also an Arizona State Alum. I see things from the middle of the pack Pac-12 team and I see things from the middle of the pack MWC team. I have followed these two program's recruiting for about 10 years now, basically since Rivals started their database. I just see the expectation level at ASU as far as recruiting is concerned and it is just so drastically different. The recruits that AQ teams like ASU battle for are completely different. If ASU gets only three or four 4* recruits it is a disappointment. The thing with ASU is that we are always in it until the end with a lot of high major recruits, top 3. We battle the USC's and Oregon's and we win and lose some, but there is an certain expectation level when you play in a bigger conference. I guess I unfairly try to compare SDSU to ASU. I just hope for the day were a kid has 3 hats in front if him on national TV and he picks the SDSU hat over some other heavy hitters. This is what makes recruiting so much fun for me right here. We'll get there, we just have to continue to win and coach up the guys we get that fit our "model." That's the proven method other Non-AQs have used to succeed. Look at it like this, we're just starting the Brandon Heath era of Aztec Football. Alright, I can except that. Again, sorry if I rub you the wrong way sometimes. Now you know why I have a different perspective than most. Hope it make more sense now. By the way, that Omar Bolden video is the most excited I have ever been on signing day. It was an amazing day. NSD is a holiday in my book.
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Post by myownwords on Jul 6, 2012 13:08:26 GMT -8
We'll get there, we just have to continue to win and coach up the guys we get that fit our "model." That's the proven method other Non-AQs have used to succeed. Look at it like this, we're just starting the Brandon Heath era of Aztec Football. Alright, I can except that. Again, sorry if I rub you the wrong way sometimes. Now you know why I have a different perspective than most. Hope it make more sense now. By the way, that Omar Bolden video is the most excited I have ever been on signing day. It was an amazing day. NSD is a holiday in my book. Spgonzo, don't feel like the Lone Ranger. From what I've read of your posts, I agree with you. I graduated from SDSU and have always felt the way you're describing. I can't say what's in our current coach's mind, but my guess is that Hoke probably had a more agressive and higher-reaching attitude than does Long, which, I'm sure, is a big part of why he's now in Michigan and likely will have another stellar recruiting class. I also think that we will compete okay with the lower third of the BE, but will struggle greatly with the upper 2/3s. Sadly, I don't see our recruiting changing in the next few years however, from what it is this year.
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Post by jdgaucho on Jul 6, 2012 13:19:14 GMT -8
I had no idea David Wells turned back the clock In all seriousness, I would not fret too much about the lack of 4* recruits. Being in Southern California + joining a "major" conference will result in more of those type recruits by default. Maybe not next year, but definitely soon thereafter. Who doesn't like warm weather and the beach?
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Post by RockNFish on Jul 6, 2012 13:29:37 GMT -8
Alright, I can except that. Again, sorry if I rub you the wrong way sometimes. Now you know why I have a different perspective than most. Hope it make more sense now. By the way, that Omar Bolden video is the most excited I have ever been on signing day. It was an amazing day. NSD is a holiday in my book. Spgonzo, don't feel like the Lone Ranger. From what I've read of your posts, I agree with you. I graduated from SDSU and have always felt the way you're describing. I can't say what's in our current coach's mind, but my guess is that Hoke probably had a more agressive and higher-reaching attitude than does Long, which, I'm sure, is a big part of why he's now in Michigan and likely will have another stellar recruiting class. I also think that we will compete okay with the lower third of the BE, but will struggle greatly with the upper 2/3s. Sadly, I don't see our recruiting changing in the next few years however, from what it is this year. Not sure why you feel the need to support your points (some valid) with off the cuff data. Hoke's class was no better (stars wise) then Long's is shaping up to be. Tthe current coaching staff has targeted several 4* athletes (but haven’t landed any - same as Hoke). I liked the guy too, but your undying love for the guy who hit it and quit it is getting in the way of reality.
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Post by badfish on Jul 6, 2012 13:36:26 GMT -8
Ok guys. I hope I am wrong. I am just not impressed. I am born and raised in San Diego and I am also an Arizona State Alum. I see things from the middle of the pack Pac-12 team and I see things from the middle of the pack MWC team. I have followed these two program's recruiting for about 10 years now, basically since Rivals started their database. I just see the expectation level at ASU as far as recruiting is concerned and it is just so drastically different. The recruits that AQ teams like ASU battle for are completely different. If ASU gets only three or four 4* recruits it is a disappointment. The thing with ASU is that we are always in it until the end with a lot of high major recruits, top 3. We battle the USC's and Oregon's and we win and lose some, but there is an certain expectation level when you play in a bigger conference. I guess I unfairly try to compare SDSU to ASU. I just hope for the day were a kid has 3 hats in front if him on national TV and he picks the SDSU hat over some other heavy hitters. This is what makes recruiting so much fun for me right here. We'll get there, we just have to continue to win and coach up the guys we get that fit our "model." That's the proven method other Non-AQs have used to succeed. Look at it like this, we're just starting the Brandon Heath era of Aztec Football. well sheeeeeeet, I can't wait for the Kawhi and Winston era of Aztec football!
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