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Post by aztecryan on Mar 15, 2012 21:00:57 GMT -8
Erik would find a reason to complain if we won the Super Bowl....
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Post by The Aztec Panther on Mar 15, 2012 21:14:50 GMT -8
Erik would find a reason to complain if we won the Super Bowl.... Are you kidding? I've been waiting for a Chargers Super Bowl win since 1979! If A.J. gets them that win I'm a fan for life. So far, not so good. You cannot tell me that this team has not deteriorated badly talent-wise over the last 5 years. The Chargers team from 5 years ago would KILL this Chargers team. That's all on A.J. |
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Post by The Aztec Panther on Mar 15, 2012 21:16:26 GMT -8
The Chargers still have no legit run stuffing nose tackle on defense (years later A.J. STILL hasn't adequately replaced Jamal Williams - although maybe this time A.J. finally found a guy who can do it, we'll see), no legit #1 receiver, no legit starting RB ( I'm more durable than Matthews), a mediocre LB corps, a poor secondary, and an offensive like that still isn't nearly as good as it needs to be in order for this team to contend. Even after today's signings the Chargers are only an 8-8 type team. Just like in years past we're seeing all-pro types leave to be replaced by guys of lesser talent. That strategy doesn't work. It saves money, but it doesn't win championships. Seems you have already made up your mind on AJ and are avoiding logic. As I noted above, do you really think that the Chargers haven't deteriorated badly talent wise over the last 5 years? A little worse every year... And that's all on A.J. - you know that. He's the one making these decisions. |
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Post by NTU on Mar 21, 2012 10:37:22 GMT -8
Can't tell if serious, A.J's done a great job so far this offseason unlike others, he has already upgraded the run defense big time, resigned the biggest reason for the improvement late in the year, and signed a WR with the potential to be a star. Not signing someone elite money when he isn't elite is smart. The opperative word in your post is POTENTIAL. VJ's a proven star, Meacham is not. That aint gonna cut it. So we have to HOPE that this guy makes us forget VJ. That's tough to swallow. We'll see. As someone else mentioned, I do think that they're counting on SDSU's VJ to step up and fill the role Jackson is vacating. I don't think they let Jackson walk if they didn't have great confidence in Vincent Brown. Our VJ is every bit the ballhawk that Jackson is, only a few inches shorter is all. |
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Post by johneaztec on Mar 21, 2012 10:45:04 GMT -8
The opperative word in your post is POTENTIAL. VJ's a proven star, Meacham is not. That aint gonna cut it. So we have to HOPE that this guy makes us forget VJ. That's tough to swallow. We'll see. As someone else mentioned, I do think that they're counting on SDSU's VJ to step up and fill the role Jackson is vacating. I don't think they let Jackson walk if they didn't have great confidence in Vincent Brown. Our VJ is every bit the ballhawk that Jackson is, only a few inches shorter is all. Hopefully Meacham and VB can prove it on the field. If we signed VJ then there's no question mark. Now there is. |
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Post by k5james on Mar 21, 2012 19:13:58 GMT -8
Rivers really struggled two years ago without Jackson...
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Post by Deleted on Mar 21, 2012 22:09:04 GMT -8
The opperative word in your post is POTENTIAL. VJ's a proven star, Meacham is not. That aint gonna cut it. So we have to HOPE that this guy makes us forget VJ. That's tough to swallow. We'll see. As someone else mentioned, I do think that they're counting on SDSU's VJ to step up and fill the role Jackson is vacating. I don't think they let Jackson walk if they didn't have great confidence in Vincent Brown. Our VJ is every bit the ballhawk that Jackson is, only a few inches shorter is all. You can NOT make that statement. Not yet. Look, Brown impressed me last year. I love the kid. But let's wait and see how he does this season, with increased reps. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 21, 2012 22:10:40 GMT -8
I'll miss VJ. A big, physical receiver with speed who can go get the deep ball. Him and Philip had nice chemistry.
Floyd, Gates, Meachem, Brown, and Royal ain't bad though.
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Post by NTU on Mar 22, 2012 15:28:33 GMT -8
As someone else mentioned, I do think that they're counting on SDSU's VJ to step up and fill the role Jackson is vacating. I don't think they let Jackson walk if they didn't have great confidence in Vincent Brown. Our VJ is every bit the ballhawk that Jackson is, only a few inches shorter is all. You can NOT make that statement. Not yet. Look, Brown impressed me last year. I love the kid. But let's wait and see how he does this season, with increased reps. I believe that that's likely their thought process. They like what they have on the roster to mitigate the loss of Vincent Jackson. That's how it works: You evaluate who you have under contract and who you expect can step up. It's pretty clear to me that they like what they have in our VJ, and because of it didn't feel that losing Jackson would have as big of an impact. People outside the organization might cringe at the thought because "he hasn't proven himself." But they know what they have, and they seem to like what they have. And they're putting a whole lot of trust in the guy. It's a gamble, but not a particularly high risk one in my judgment. It doesn't mean they won't miss Vincent Jackson, it just means that his departure won't be quite so devastating. |
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Post by The Aztec Panther on Mar 22, 2012 20:13:59 GMT -8
None of the receivers the Chargers have are as good as Vincent Jackson. They may have a few good #2 types (Meachem, Brown, Floyd), but they still don't have a legit #1.
The O-line isn't going to be very good, and they still don't have a legit starting RB, so that's going to make it a lot harder for this group of #2's to really step up.
Maybe one or two of them will do it. Who knows? Just from watching NFL football for 35 years I'd have to say the odds are against it. Sometimes you can beat the odds. Usually, you don't.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 22, 2012 22:18:12 GMT -8
You can NOT make that statement. Not yet. Look, Brown impressed me last year. I love the kid. But let's wait and see how he does this season, with increased reps. I believe that that's likely their thought process. They like what they have on the roster to mitigate the loss of Vincent Jackson. That's how it works: You evaluate who you have under contract and who you expect can step up. It's pretty clear to me that they like what they have in our VJ, and because of it didn't feel that losing Jackson would have as big of an impact. People outside the organization might cringe at the thought because "he hasn't proven himself." But they know what they have, and they seem to like what they have. And they're putting a whole lot of trust in the guy. It's a gamble, but not a particularly high risk one in my judgment. It doesn't mean they won't miss Vincent Jackson, it just means that his departure won't be quite so devastating. Yeah, obviously they let VJ walk because they were so content with what was already on the roster. That's why they signed Royal and Meachem.  |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 22, 2012 22:18:44 GMT -8
Brown will have to compete for his reps. Chargers will have Floyd, Meachem, Royal, and Gates catching much of the passes.
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Post by insider on Mar 23, 2012 0:43:23 GMT -8
I believe that that's likely their thought process. They like what they have on the roster to mitigate the loss of Vincent Jackson. That's how it works: You evaluate who you have under contract and who you expect can step up. It's pretty clear to me that they like what they have in our VJ, and because of it didn't feel that losing Jackson would have as big of an impact. People outside the organization might cringe at the thought because "he hasn't proven himself." But they know what they have, and they seem to like what they have. And they're putting a whole lot of trust in the guy. It's a gamble, but not a particularly high risk one in my judgment. It doesn't mean they won't miss Vincent Jackson, it just means that his departure won't be quite so devastating. Yeah, obviously they let VJ walk because they were so content with what was already on the roster. That's why they signed Royal and Meachem. Royal was more a replacement for Crayton imo (who btw had a mediocre year last year in return game), I think Royal was signed mainly to improve special teams (kick game) but he is also a dangerous YAC guy too in the open field. VJ/Meachem/Brown are all a lot better are making tacklers missed so we can see some more WR screens imo. |
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Post by k5james on Mar 23, 2012 9:44:40 GMT -8
Brown will have to compete for his reps. Chargers will have Floyd, Meachem, Royal, and Gates catching much of the passes. I think Brown will see more time at WR than Royal. Floyd, Meachem and Brown will take a majority of snaps at WR IMHO. |
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Post by NTU on Mar 26, 2012 22:24:27 GMT -8
I believe that that's likely their thought process. They like what they have on the roster to mitigate the loss of Vincent Jackson. That's how it works: You evaluate who you have under contract and who you expect can step up. It's pretty clear to me that they like what they have in our VJ, and because of it didn't feel that losing Jackson would have as big of an impact. People outside the organization might cringe at the thought because "he hasn't proven himself." But they know what they have, and they seem to like what they have. And they're putting a whole lot of trust in the guy. It's a gamble, but not a particularly high risk one in my judgment. It doesn't mean they won't miss Vincent Jackson, it just means that his departure won't be quite so devastating. Yeah, obviously they let VJ walk because they were so content with what was already on the roster. That's why they signed Royal and Meachem. Neither of whom is Vincent Jackson's caliber. But AJ usually has a tendency to favor guys he drafted. It's an ego thing to prove he was right about them in the first place. Vincent Brown will get a good long look and could end up starting over both Royal and Meacham. Royal was brought in to be a return guy anyway. |
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Post by insider on Mar 27, 2012 11:36:57 GMT -8
Yeah, obviously they let VJ walk because they were so content with what was already on the roster. That's why they signed Royal and Meachem. Neither of whom is Vincent Jackson's caliber. But AJ usually has a tendency to favor guys he drafted. It's an ego thing to prove he was right about them in the first place. Vincent Brown will get a good long look and could end up starting over both Royal and Meacham. Royal was brought in to be a return guy anyway. No chance he's starting over Meachem, Meachem can become a top 10 WR. |
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Post by jhonka34 on Mar 28, 2012 15:32:25 GMT -8
This was clearly a cap space thing. AJ has been quoted saying that they would love to still have VJ on the team but the contract got too rich for them. There were other bigger holes on the team that needed/need filling and Rivers showed how much of the offense can come from him and a good OLine two years ago when he played without VJ, and mostly without Floyd and Gates.
Really though, credit to AJ for not selling the next 5 years of this team with bad backloaded contracts in order to save his job. If he had done so, I would support canning him even if the team won the Super Bowl next year.
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Post by azson on Mar 28, 2012 15:54:07 GMT -8
Who the hell cares if V-Jax is gone. We have to endure Nauseating Norv for at least one more season. IMHO, we are an 8-8 team with him at the helm no matter who we have on the field.
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