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Post by Deleted on Aug 9, 2010 13:53:49 GMT -8
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Post by davdesid on Aug 9, 2010 17:09:00 GMT -8
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Post by monty on Aug 9, 2010 20:46:42 GMT -8
Do we not understand the doctrines of Nationalist Fascism, let alone a specific type that was practiced in the 30s and 40s by a specific group?
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Post by The Great Aztec Joe on Aug 10, 2010 6:52:06 GMT -8
Do we not understand the doctrines of Nationalist Fascism, let alone a specific type that was practiced in the 30s and 40s by a specific group? Some of the socialist policies of Nazi Germany were practical. Most were not. I keep on telling people that Nazi stood for National Socialist. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 10, 2010 8:33:40 GMT -8
I just watched the Pianist. Movie is gnarly. I HATE NAZIS. If I were in the holocaust I would hope I wouldn't go down like a lot of the Jews did. Rather I would hope i could trade one punch in the face to a Nazi official and then get shot in the head. But at least for one moment I would be the dominant one. Jews are freaking awesome though. So resilient.
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Post by The Great Aztec Joe on Aug 10, 2010 9:38:09 GMT -8
I just watched the Pianist. Movie is gnarly. I HATE NAZIS. If I were in the holocaust I would hope I wouldn't go down like a lot of the Jews did. Rather I would hope i could trade one punch in the face to a Nazi official and then get shot in the head. But at least for one moment I would be the dominant one. Jews are freaking awesome though. So resilient. The fact that they have made it through the ages with all of the persecution that they endured has been phenomenal. When the northern tribes of Israel were carried away into slavery by the Assyrians, they were moved to the Tigris Euphrates area (The original Garden of Eden which was East of Eden - God's Chosen Land which we now call Israel). Once situated there, they suffered the invasions of the Babylonians, the Medes (Kurds of the modern day in case you did not know that.) and then the Persians. The Babylonians also carried the southern tribe of Israel, known as Judah into captivity but south of the northern captive tribes. All the Babylonians knew was that there were a hell of a lot of Jews to the west of them and to the north of them. After the Medes and the Persian empires conquered the Babylonians, the majority of Jews moved to the land of Persia, while some of the Tribe of Judah moved back to the area around Jerusalem to rebuild the wall and the temple to JHVH. Most of the Israelites continued to live in the East in the Persian Empire. When the Romans came and destroyed the temple and Jerusalem, most of the Jews fled to Persia, where many of their commentaries on the Torah were written. It has been estimated that in 600 AD three to four million Jews lived in Persia when Islam swept through. They were an estimated 20 percent of the population. Under Islam, most of the Jews were killed over the next 1400 years. A conservative estimate would have it that between 9 and 30 Million Jews were killed during that time. There is no way of knowing for certain, but 9 to 10 million would be a good practical estimate, and would make the German holocaust minor compared to what the Iranian Islamics did to the largest ethnic group in the Persian Empire. That Nine Million number can be arrived at if you estimate that from an core population of 3,000,000 Jews the growth rate of population would have been ten percent every fifty years. If that growth rate was killed off every fifty years on pogroms, then in 1400 years there were 28 times 300,000 dead or 8,400,000 dead just to keep the population at a steady 3,000,000 Jews. Now since almost all of the 3,000,000 are gone, you have to add at least a small portion of them to the 8.4 Million. You end up with at least 9 million Jews slaughtered by Iranian Islamic Pogroms. That also allows room for conversion of millions to Islam. Tremendous persecution, but there are Iranian Jews in Israel who made it through those horrible years as slaves to the Assyrians, the Babylonians, the Medes and the Persians (who eventually accepted them as just citizens of the Empire.) The Judeans who went back to Judah were slaughtered by the Romans and scattered to the wind. All had to endure the tremendous persecution of the Christians and the Zoroastrians and the Islamics and further east the Hindus and Buddhists and Japanese cults, yet they still exist as Jews to this day. Unbelievable! |
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Post by davdesid on Aug 10, 2010 12:55:51 GMT -8
Me too.... Nazis are mean, and they like killing. I happen to agree with most of limbaugh's ideas, but limbaugh is mean, and he prefers violence to peace. limbaugh is a Nazi. You can justify that limbaugh prefers violence to peace and ergo as a Nazi he likes killing? If you can, please do. Show your work. |
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Post by The Great Aztec Joe on Aug 11, 2010 6:23:34 GMT -8
There's nothing to "justify." The Nazis are some of the meanest people ever. limbaugh is meaner than Obama. Therefore, limbaugh more closely resembles a Nazi than does Obama and that's all there is to it. This is very simple logic that maybe even sarah palin can understand. In my lifetime, I have met a great many Nazi's from Nazi Germany who were not mean. Many were in the National Socialist Party because they bought into the hype about a New Germany that would "awake from the ashes" left behind by the horrible demands for reparations after World War One. Most of the Germans felt that Gott Mit Uns was a reality in the First World War. God had to be with them because they were involved in a war with the three most ruthless imperialist powers in Europe, England, France and Russia. Remember, Russian armies invaded Germany in August 1914 and met their comeuppance in the Tannenberg Forest. So they joined the party early. In the 1930's many good jobs were available to people who were party members, so a great many young people joined the party so they could land jobs in the growing economy that Hitler brought them. They like most people were not political and did not have a clue what Hitler was to eventually bring them. All they knew was that they had increasing employment in the country and they were recovering from the Depression that had engulfed the whole world. So, millions were party members, but they were not hateful. As best I can tell, only the top Nazi leadership really believed the hatred projected by Hitler in the late Thirties. Most of those leaders were prosecuted at Nuremberg or hunted down around the world. Not all Nazi's were hateful, just some. Unfortunately, if a member dropped party allegiance and registration, he or she often lost their job, so it became a matter of self preservation to carry a card. Those were the people I met after World War II. Many of them were wonderful people to know. Almost all of them are dead now. Time marches on. |
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Post by davdesid on Aug 11, 2010 13:27:19 GMT -8
There's nothing to "justify." The Nazis are some of the meanest people ever. limbaugh is meaner than Obama. Therefore, limbaugh more closely resembles a Nazi than does Obama and that's all there is to it. This is very simple logic that maybe even sarah palin can understand. Tell me why you think limbaugh is "mean". Also, perhaps your therapist can tell you why Palin lives in your mind, rent free. FYI, the mean Nazi does do things like this: tinyurl.com/y53pxysOf course Eichmann gave chocolates to the children on their way to the showers, so I guess it doesn't mean much |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 11, 2010 13:44:36 GMT -8
There's nothing to "justify." The Nazis are some of the meanest people ever. limbaugh is meaner than Obama. Therefore, limbaugh more closely resembles a Nazi than does Obama and that's all there is to it. This is very simple logic that maybe even sarah palin can understand. God had to be with them because they were involved in a war with the three most ruthless imperialist powers in Europe, England, France and Russia. Remember, Russian armies invaded Germany in August 1914 and met their comeuppance in the Tannenberg Forest. Russia is not in Europe. You don't kill 6 million Jews with a party of only "some" hateful people. Evil only triumphs when good people do nothing. Evil was winning in those concentration camps for years. If those Nazi's were really "good" they would have helped. Shut your cake hole. |
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Post by AztecBill on Aug 11, 2010 13:48:12 GMT -8
There's nothing to "justify." The Nazis are some of the meanest people ever. limbaugh is meaner than Obama. Therefore, limbaugh more closely resembles a Nazi than does Obama and that's all there is to it. This is very simple logic that maybe even sarah palin can understand. Tell me why you think Limbaugh is "mean". Also, perhaps your therapist can tell you why Palin lives in your mind, rent free. FYI, the mean Nazi does do things like this: tinyurl.com/y53pxysOf course Eichmann gave chocolates to the children on their way to the showers, so I guess it doesn't mean much I have listened to Limbaugh whenever I am in my car those times for many years. I have never heard mean. Mean v Not Mean is one way to differentiate people. There is also statists versus those who love liberty. Obama is a statists as are Nazis. Limbaugh is one who loves liberty - not at all like the National Socialist Party. |
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Post by davdesid on Aug 11, 2010 13:49:48 GMT -8
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Post by AztecBill on Aug 11, 2010 13:53:36 GMT -8
Wasn't it the Obamas that gave nothing to charity according to their tax returns they made public? |
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Post by tuff on Aug 11, 2010 14:21:01 GMT -8
Germany was not in good shape after WW1. Hitler came along at a time when Germans 'thought' they wanted change, and he told them what they wanted to hear. After gaining absolute power, Hitler's personal agenda was carried out by the few elitest cronies in power with him. We all know the players. We tend to compare all the nazi soldiers as having death camp mentalities, when the reality is a small minority of sick bastards were carrying out the atrocities we see on the news today.
I read somewhere that Russian communism is responsible for 100 million deaths. And how about Pol Pot in Cambodia? $#!+ happens to humanity because humanity allows these clowns to achieve way too much power. Evil is everywhere, and will flourish if good men don't do anything to curtail it. And absolute power corrupts asolutely.
You may not agree with Rush, and I don't a lot of the time, but to compare him to a nazi is ludicrous. I'm more leary of a guy who promises "change you can believe in" than I am of Mr. Limbaugh.
And damn. Nazi's had great looking uniforms. jmo
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Post by AztecBill on Aug 11, 2010 15:26:56 GMT -8
Germany was not in good shape after WW1. Hitler came along at a time when Germans 'thought' they wanted change, and he told them what they wanted to hear. After gaining absolute power, Hitler's personal agenda was carried out by the few elitist cronies in power with him. We all know the players. We tend to compare all the Nazi soldiers as having death camp mentalities, when the reality is a small minority of sick bastards were carrying out the atrocities we see on the news today. I read somewhere that Russian communism is responsible for 100 million deaths. And how about Pol Pot in Cambodia? $#!+ happens to humanity because humanity allows these clowns to achieve way too much power. Evil is everywhere, and will flourish if good men don't do anything to curtail it. And absolute power corrupts absolutely. You may not agree with Rush, and I don't a lot of the time, but to compare him to a Nazi is ludicrous. I'm more Leary of a guy who promises "change you can believe in" than I am of Mr. Limbaugh. And damn. Nazi's had great looking uniforms. HMO The Nazi's had a very large portion of their population right there with them. It all starts with thinking that government is the solution to everything and business/institutions are bad. We often hear of a balance of powers within the government, we also need a balance of power between the government and people/business/press/institutions. When that relationship swings too far to the side of government folks like Nazi's and communists take control and tend to go too far. It is all a battle between Statists and Liberty. And as for me and my family, I say give me Liberty or I will complain real loud. |
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Post by AztecBill on Aug 11, 2010 15:34:40 GMT -8
Russia is in Europe. It is also in Asia. It is also in the Arctic. Russia is big.
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Post by tuff on Aug 11, 2010 19:10:31 GMT -8
History does tend to repeat itself. If you look at the leaders pf socialism, fascisim and communism, they all sneak up on you with the promise of change. Once in power, all hell broke loose. Human rights are tossed, property gets confiscated and an elite few control the masses. So, yes I love democracy and capitalism. And I hate those other three. Our system isn't perfect, and nothing is. But let's not call our fellow Americans names because we don't agree with them. Those other three forms of govt. will never let anyone discuss opposite views and not be punished for it.
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Post by monty on Aug 11, 2010 22:13:14 GMT -8
Germany was not in good shape after WW1. And perhaps the best lesson learned in the 20th c. was the different way the victors handled WWII. |
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Post by monty on Aug 11, 2010 22:14:24 GMT -8
Russia is in Europe. It is also in Asia. It is also in the Arctic. Russia is big. And its culture is in Europe, which at the end of the day, determines where it is at. |
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Post by The Great Aztec Joe on Aug 12, 2010 6:36:57 GMT -8
Germany was not in good shape after WW1. ... And damn. Nazi's had great looking uniforms. jmo Yep, I am fond of those SS uniforms. Of course, you always had to carry a lint brush around with you. Black cloth just loves to attract light colored lint. |
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