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Post by elconquistador on Sept 29, 2011 16:29:12 GMT -8
If and when the Big 12 wants to be strategic they should look at Cali as a jumping board. The thought of them expanding in Texas is laughable. Houston brings nothing and my mean nothing to the table. What would Cincy bring? There is a reason the Big 8 shut down a long time ago. Conferences like the Pac 12 should take notice if the Big 12 came calling.
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Post by Motown Monty on Sept 29, 2011 16:36:07 GMT -8
I'm really tired of all this Big 12 talk. The MW can stand on its own with AQ status and a new tv contract. That's definitely in play right now. Just give it a chance. So, considering that there is NO guarantee that the MWC would/could become AQ and/or negotiate a new and "better" TV contract you WOULDN'T accept a Big 12 invite if it came in the next few weeks/months? |
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Post by Motown Monty on Sept 29, 2011 16:37:47 GMT -8
If and when the Big 12 wants to be strategic they should look at Cali as a jumping board. The thought of them expanding in Texas is laughable. Houston brings nothing and my mean nothing to the table. What would Cincy bring? There is a reason the Big 8 shut down a long time ago. Conferences like the Pac 12 should take notice if the Big 12 came calling. Technically the Big 8 didn't "shut down". The Big 8 added Texas, TT, A&M and Baylor from the SWC and became the Big 12 in 1996. the SWC is the conference that "shut down". |
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Post by sdsuaztecs on Sept 29, 2011 16:43:58 GMT -8
Patience is courage, my friend......let's see what happens. SDSU is a winner no matter what happens.
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Post by Motown Monty on Sept 29, 2011 16:57:03 GMT -8
Patience is courage, my friend......let's see what happens. SDSU is a winner no matter what happens. Patience is great and I agree that the MWC just might come out of all this madness in a decent position. But you still didn't answer my question. A simple Yes or No will do. |
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Post by NTU on Sept 29, 2011 17:14:23 GMT -8
Texas AD Deloss Dodds said a couple of months ago that the ADs has assembled a list of 17 potential additions, most, if not all, of whom were being contacted. I would certainly hope that SDSU was among those 17. If not Dodds had his head up his chute. Of course, the same stuff generally comes out of both ends with him. Given some of the comments made by our previous university prez (some of which were referenced by motownmonty), and some of the other rumors that have been swirling around about it for the better party of a year, I think it's a pretty safe bet that there have been some talks between the two parties. I do think that the Big XII-  is interested in tapping directly into the California markets, and taking some of the thunder away from the Pac, so...... Smoke.......fire? |
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Post by sdsuaztecs on Sept 29, 2011 17:18:59 GMT -8
Motown,
I like SDSU's position in this matter. Your question does not specify a date. There are a lot of balls in the air right now. TCU being the biggest. When they make up their mind, the rest will fall in place IMO.
Personally, I feel our time is coming. Utah and BYU left when the gittin' was good. TCU hasn't really left yet. They would do SDSU and the rest of the MW right by sticking around.
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Post by Motown Monty on Sept 29, 2011 17:28:25 GMT -8
Motown, I like SDSU's position in this matter. Your question does not specify a date. There are a lot of balls in the air right now. TCU being the biggest. When they make up their mind, the rest will fall in place IMO. Personally, I feel our time is coming. Utah and BYU left when the gittin' was good. TCU hasn't really left yet. They would do SDSU and the rest of the MW right by sticking around. Let me reiterate my question: Would you accept a Big 12 invite if it came in the next few months assuming the MWC position hasn't changed? |
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Post by aztecsrule72001 on Sept 29, 2011 17:38:59 GMT -8
IMO SDSU would be a much better addition than Boise St. No offense to them but the Big12 doesn't need to add a top football program. I think it's sort of like A&M joining the SEC, they aren't a top football program but they provide a lot of benefits for the SEC (recruiting, money etc.).
I think SDSU could provide those benefits to the Big12. Whether the Big12 agrees, we'll see.
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Post by NTU on Sept 29, 2011 17:45:05 GMT -8
IMO SDSU would be a much better addition than Boise St. No offense to them but the Big12 doesn't need to add a top football program. I think it's sort of like A&M joining the SEC, they aren't a top football program but they provide a lot of benefits for the SEC (recruiting, money etc.). I think SDSU could provide those benefits to the Big12. Whether the Big12 agrees, we'll see. The recruiting, maybe.......not sure how many California kids would be jumping at the chance to go to school in Norman or Stillwater, OK, Manhattan, KS, or Ames, IA. SDSU certainly doesn't bring more money at this point, but with AQ status that could quickly change. |
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Post by sdsuaztecs on Sept 29, 2011 17:47:56 GMT -8
Motown,
I don't want to go to the Big 12 unless there is zerio chance of an AQ AND the tv contract cannot be revised. That said, I know both can be done. So at this moment in time, the answer is...NO to the Big 12.
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Post by aztecsrule72001 on Sept 29, 2011 17:49:18 GMT -8
IMO SDSU would be a much better addition than Boise St. No offense to them but the Big12 doesn't need to add a top football program. I think it's sort of like A&M joining the SEC, they aren't a top football program but they provide a lot of benefits for the SEC (recruiting, money etc.). I think SDSU could provide those benefits to the Big12. Whether the Big12 agrees, we'll see. The recruiting, maybe.......not sure how many California kids would be jumping at the chance to go to school in Norman or Stillwater, OK, Manhattan, KS, or Ames, IA. SDSU certainly doesn't bring more money at this point, but with AQ status that could quickly change. SDSU may not bring the money by itself, the money comes from adding a market like San Diego. I'm not saying we should be a frontrunner but I do think we'd be a better addition than Boise St. |
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Post by sdsuaztecs on Sept 29, 2011 17:51:15 GMT -8
Some of the other posters have made reference to the fact that Michigan and Notre Dame are "national" teams that command a national tv audience. I think that is a critical point that needs to be taken into account in these discussions. Bolse has already made that case.
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Post by aztecsrule72001 on Sept 29, 2011 17:52:38 GMT -8
Motown, I don't want to go to the Big 12 unless there is zerio chance of an AQ AND the tv contract cannot be revised. That said, I know both can be done. So at this moment in time, the answer is...NO to the Big 12. Say that the TV deal is redone and it's still a fraction of what the Big 12 gets. Then what? I would take a guaranteed shot at AQ and a lot more money than hoping we might get AQ (especially if it means the MWC-CUSA dealio) and at best getting 5 million from a tv deal. |
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Post by monty on Sept 29, 2011 17:54:21 GMT -8
the best thing we got going for us is Chip Brown hasn't mentioned us, as Bevo's Minister of Misinformation that dude is always wrong (on purpose)
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Post by aztecsrule72001 on Sept 29, 2011 17:54:59 GMT -8
Some of the other posters have made reference to the fact that Michigan and Notre Dame are "national" teams that command a national tv audience. I think that is a critical point that needs to be taken into account in these discussions. Bolse has already made that case. Will people care about them when their football team isn't going undefeated in the same way people support Michigan and ND during awful years? |
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Post by sdsuaztecs on Sept 29, 2011 18:02:58 GMT -8
Who is "them"?
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Post by baylorbruin on Sept 29, 2011 18:50:14 GMT -8
the best thing we got going for us is Chip Brown hasn't mentioned us, as Bevo's Minister of Misinformation that dude is always wrong (on purpose) You speak the truth monty. We've come to refer to him as either Brown Chip or Cow Chip. When he speaks, you're often better to take the George Costanza approach and believe the opposite. |
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Post by frustratedfan on Sept 29, 2011 18:53:52 GMT -8
But, if you don't ask, you don't get I suppose. If the Aztecs and their fans aren't going to make any noise, then there isn't anything for the Big 12 to hear. If SMU and Houston are under consideration (small time in markets that the Big 12 already owns), then why wouldn't SDSU make its case? EXACTLY. SDSU's President, AD and fans should be fighting like mad trying to sell their program to the Big 12. The worst thing that could happen is we are told no. However, who is to say they won't say yes when we outline the positives to them? It sure beats the heck out of the alternative...rolling up in the fetal position and saying "there is nthing we can do... it is completely out of our hands". "What a wretched life we live when we settle for mediocrity when excellence is just in front of us."-Disraeli |
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Post by aztecsrule72001 on Sept 29, 2011 19:01:20 GMT -8
You only mentioned 3 schools. Them = Boise St. |
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is interested in tapping directly into the California markets, and taking some of the thunder away from the Pac, so......