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Post by aztec2000 on Sept 22, 2011 12:04:04 GMT -8
This whole thing is a big mess. What's the appeal with AFA? Seems to me like SDSU has a lot more to offer the Big 12.
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Post by Fred Noonan on Sept 22, 2011 12:05:35 GMT -8
... Fact is we own a big house but it's on a cul-de-sac people are going to have to go out of their way to get to, plus for a decade we let the place go to crap and we're only now beginning renovation. We are therefore not one of the better candidates for presidency of the homeowners' association. HOWEVER, the Pac-12's decision not to expand again for awhile buys us time. We can't move our house but we can make it the nicest looking one of everybody who's running for the homeowners' association presidency. Therefore, if the time comes when both the Pac-12 and the Big 12 expand to 16, there will be eight available slots. We need to keep Rocky Long around and become just as good as Boise State in football. If we do that, with everything else we have going for us, we will definitely be one of the eight offered admission. Love the analogy. Actually it's on the point. Our problem is geography, as noted by others we have no one to play. That and the fact we have run an abysmal program for over a decade. When you add the educational snobs who repeate the untrue mantra that we are a lesser academic institution we end up exactly where SGF says we are. The Fred Noonan School of Navigation.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 22, 2011 12:32:03 GMT -8
Also, anytime you see them mention a Texas school to the Big 12 know that we are getting in before them too. I strongly disagree with SGF that Houston is getting in a Big 12 where UT is a member. UT owns the state and doesn’t need the University of Houston’s help in the Houston market. In fact, they don’t want Houston elevated to BCS status because that would hurt UT's ability to recruit there and it is the largest city in the state by a large margin. Houston is to the Big 12 as SDSU is to the Pac 12. Well said sir. Your point regarding U Texas not needing U-Houston in order to recruit or otherwise dominate the Houston market is right on. It does mirror The PAC-12 and USC/UCLA’s view of the San Diego market. They feel they have sufficient presence in SD county for media and recruitment and feel no need to “share the wealth” with SDSU. That's why I am certain that SDSU will never get a pac-whatever invite. Growing the MTN West is the best route for State.
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Post by ohioaztec1 on Sept 22, 2011 12:36:55 GMT -8
I do believe that the Sterk is working to have an alternative to the MW. He would not being doing his job if he wasn't trying to join the Big 12. Texaas woil love to get the west coast exposure and including the Aztecs will give then and ESPN access to the SoCal market. The larger the market place the higher the advertising revenue
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Post by Deleted on Sept 22, 2011 13:45:50 GMT -8
Also, anytime you see them mention a Texas school to the Big 12 know that we are getting in before them too. I strongly disagree with SGF that Houston is getting in a Big 12 where UT is a member. UT owns the state and doesn’t need the University of Houston’s help in the Houston market. In fact, they don’t want Houston elevated to BCS status because that would hurt UT's ability to recruit there and it is the largest city in the state by a large margin. Houston is to the Big 12 as SDSU is to the Pac 12. Well, obviously I hope you're right and I'm wrong. We do agree about TCU. We also agree about UT not wanting any more Texas schools in the Big 12. The difference between TCU and Houston is politics. As a small private school, TCU has no political clout in the legislature. That's reportedly not true of Houston so I'm hard pressed to think that UT or Texas Tech for that matter could support SDSU over Houston for admission.
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Post by Fishn'Aztec on Sept 22, 2011 13:49:28 GMT -8
Be best to do a dirty deal with UNLV & hitch the wagons to Okiehoma a Okiehoma State & try the Pacfudge conf. Tejas won't agree to share so it looks like that may never happen, talk to the Okies!
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Post by Morpheus on Sept 22, 2011 13:52:27 GMT -8
Be best to do a dirty deal with UNLV & hitch the wagons to Okiehoma a Okiehoma State & try the Pacfudge conf. Tejas won't agree to share so it looks like that may never happen, talk to the Okies! Nice thought but it is Never going to happen. SDSU will never ever be invited to the PAC.
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Post by aztec2000 on Sept 22, 2011 13:53:51 GMT -8
Be best to do a dirty deal with UNLV & hitch the wagons to Okiehoma a Okiehoma State & try the Pacfudge conf. Tejas won't agree to share so it looks like that may never happen, talk to the Okies! Nice thought but it is Never going to happen. SDSU will never ever be invited to the PAC. No doubt. Not even Texas and OU are getting invites.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 22, 2011 13:54:51 GMT -8
I do believe that the Sterk is working to have an alternative to the MW. He would not being doing his job if he wasn't trying to join the Big 12. Texaas woil love to get the west coast exposure and including the Aztecs will give then and ESPN access to the SoCal market. The larger the market place the higher the advertising revenue You're undoubtedly correct about Sterk working on alternatives to the MW. However, I don't think the Big 12 is going to happen. Although some pundits are saying they've heard rumors the Big 12 is now seriously considering going back to 12, none of the rumors includes SDSU as one of the possibilities.
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Post by Fishn'Aztec on Sept 22, 2011 14:01:24 GMT -8
Tejas will never share or give up their Longhorn Network. The pacfudge wants to have an equal split conference so Tejas is out. I guess the fertile SD recruiting grounds is enough concern for the pacfudge douchebags to never want SDSU on an equal recruiting footing with the pac.
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Post by greysuit on Sept 22, 2011 15:59:50 GMT -8
Here's the thing, all the expansion talk is being done by "journalists" and talking heads who only see conference expansion from a football point of view and are completely missing the reasoning why this whole catastrophe is taking place, money.
Why do you think that only the Big East has reached out to TCU and a dying Big 12 has completely ignored them? It’s because TCU offers the Big 12 no monetary value, infract it depletes it by dividing the pie by one more slice without making it any bigger. TCU was only contacted by the Big East because it is the only AQ conference in which they bring more value than they will take by giving them a chance (although slim now) to keep their AQ status and give them access to the Dallas market.
This is the reason why it took so long for the Mountain West to contact Boise State about membership. The Boise market brings little to nothing to the table financially so really the only way it made financial sense to bring BSU into the conference is if we would not be able to AQ status without them. This is why the Mountain west waited until the last second to add Boise in order for their past achievements to count towards the Mountain West’s AQ status. There is no way a conference with AQ status would ever contact BSU about membership, it just does not make financial sense.
Since the Big 12 is on shaky ground right now and could potentially lose its AQ status if more of their “Big” programs jump ship, I doubt they will target Non-AQ schools to fill the spots if at all possible.
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Post by greysuit on Sept 22, 2011 16:01:51 GMT -8
This whole thing is a big mess. What's the appeal with AFA? Seems to me like SDSU has a lot more to offer the Big 12. BYU, AFA and Navy are all attractive to AQ conferences right now due to their national followings.
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Post by aztecnole on Sept 22, 2011 16:13:45 GMT -8
I have no problem SDSU being Texas' bitch. I would gladly make the trip to Austin every 2nd10 year to watch the Aztecs in the Southeast.
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Post by monty on Sept 22, 2011 17:09:16 GMT -8
Nice thought but it is Never going to happen. SDSU will never ever be invited to the PAC. No doubt. Not even Texas and OU are getting invites. They aren't getting invites because the 4 'newbies' (asu,uofa, uu, cu) want a division with cali and will block any option that doesn't include that. In some odd way, SDSU became more attractive to the pac10 - maybe 3 percent instead of -2 percent, but, oh well, we're screwed.
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Post by aztecfankrishnan on Sept 22, 2011 17:26:56 GMT -8
I have been saying this for awhile, but the reality is there are no real options for teams on the west that aren't in the Pac 12. Logistically it would be difficult for UNLV and SDSU to join a BCS league. Plus neither has the academic reputation that puts them on the map. Many on this board don't want to believe it, but the best case scenerio is still for the MWC to gain an auto BCS birth. With an equal playing field and increased resourced the MWC could legitimately challenge the PAC 12 as the top conference in the west. Or at a minimum the top tops teams in the MWC certainly could. It would be nice if TCU stayed and we work out a championship game with Conf USA. You win out with that schedule and you have a legitmate shot at the national championship. What is with you and the academics at SDSU? Whenever you get a chance you throw something about that in a post. I am informed enough to know that SDSU is no Stanford, however, there are plenty of BCS schools who have lesser academic reputations than SDSU. (As I have said, I am going to call you out every time you backhand SDSU's academics.) Since you went to UCSD and all, you should know getting invited to a BCS conference has little to do with academics and everything to do with $$. It is about TV revenue and audience draw. That is where SDSU is currently lacking. Certainly the potential is there but years of football futility have put SDSU behind the eight ball. lol...so sensitive, just merely repeating what we have all heard come out of the Pac 12. I think it's ridiculous but take it up with UCLA and USC snobs! Oh, and I've posted 840 times and maybe twice did I ever mention academics.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 22, 2011 18:36:18 GMT -8
What is with you and the academics at SDSU? Whenever you get a chance you throw something about that in a post. I am informed enough to know that SDSU is no Stanford, however, there are plenty of BCS schools who have lesser academic reputations than SDSU. (As I have said, I am going to call you out every time you backhand SDSU's academics.) Since you went to UCSD and all, you should know getting invited to a BCS conference has little to do with academics and everything to do with $$. It is about TV revenue and audience draw. That is where SDSU is currently lacking. Certainly the potential is there but years of football futility have put SDSU behind the eight ball. lol...so sensitive, just merely repeating what we have all heard come out of the Pac 12. I think it's ridiculous but take it up with UCLA and USC snobs! Oh, and I've posted 840 times and maybe twice did I ever mention academics. Not so much sensitive, more annoyed really. Why repeat something we know is untrue? If you hadn't already made it crystal clear how you feel about SDSU academics I would not have said a word. However, because of one of your posts however long ago, where you said something to the effect of "let's be honest, the very best student at SDSU would barely be a B student at UCSD" (which is not only arrogant but completely absurd) you'll get zero quarter from me whenever I see a backhanded comment about academics at SDSU coming from you. Happy you are a grad of UCSD and still a fan of SDSU athletics but maybe try to avoid those types of references all together since this is an Aztec board.
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Post by aztecnole on Sept 22, 2011 18:44:48 GMT -8
Nobody knows or cares about UCSD here in the South. OTOH SDSU is well known thanks to Stras, Bball, and the FB team. Sorry to break it to ya but SDSU owns SD in the eyes of the nation. And it's a mighty fine school academically. I thank and promote SDSU everyday for the ops given. Aztec 4 LIFE!
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