Polygamy; is it on its way to a culture near you?

[Bob Forsythe]

Aug 24, 2011 18:40:52 GMT -8 84aztec96 said:

Hi Bob

Whether or not you are for or against gay marriage, you're making a category mistake when you compare Homosexuality (a behavior) with a race (non-behavior).

Um, please offer a further definition of "a behavior". I'm not sure what you're arguing here.

=Bob

[84aztec96]

Hi Bob

I probably should have said homosexuality is a desire/behavior, because it is not just a behavior.

I'm arguing that you can't equate race and homosexuality.

Race has nothing to do with a desire/behavior.

[azteccc]

You're right 84, race has nothing to do with a desire/behavior.

For you, does heterosexuality more closely represent a desire/behavior, or something natural/inherent?

For me it is the latter, and I find it difficult to believe that switch isn't turned the opposite way in homosexuals.

[84aztec96]

Hi Azteccc

I think we are "naturally sexual beings", with a propensity to be attacked to the opposite sex. However, I think our sexual behavior/desire can be highly influenced by family/society/environment. That is, we are capable of ALL kinds of things in the sexual realm.

I don't think homosexuality is as simple as a choice. But I do think choices and behavior can shape our desires.

Honestly, I don't think anybody really understands how it all works out.

Whether it is "natural/inherent" doesn't really answer the question if homosexuality is a good/bad/neutral sexual desire/behavior. (Let alone, if "gay" couples should be treated exactly the same as heterosexual couples) Some of our sexual desires/behaviors that may seem "natural" (screw as many women as possible) might actually be wrong or at least, not optimal.

Now you may say homosexuality is good, or it doesn't matter, and that is fine, but at least we are talking about the right subject. And it has nothing to do with being a bigot! (Remember, I don't think all heterosexual sexual desires/behavior are good).

[Bob Forsythe]

William is a dick. He started this thread but he has not shown the balls to show up after he offered his first post. That's rather typical of William - he has a serious shortage of balls just like every Republicant has a lack of balls.

I'm sorry Will to make that claim about you need to $#!+ or get off the pot. You do not get to offer bull$#!+ arguments from other people while assuming you can run and hide.

=Bob

[azteccc]

Someone else made the comparison of race and sexuality. While they aren't the same thing, you can equate them on the level of a group of people who are targeted and denied rights, so the argument is relevant if you admit homosexuality isn't a choice just like race.

If you think it is a choice, well, I am curious who would decide that. What would the motivation to choose such a thing be? To not be able to get married, looked at like a lesser person by most of the population, hide it forever, etc... There is also evidence in the human genome project to suggest a gay gene, and plenty of homosexual behavior in nature (non-humans). It isn't "good" or "bad", it just "is". And just as denying rights based on race or color is wrong and now illegal, so is and will be sexuality.

[84aztec96]

Well I agree with your ending.

It is and will be made more illegal to discriminate based on sexual orientation. And pretty soon, someone like me who dares say homosexuality is wrong, or a mom and dad should raise children, will be socially shunned as backward, bigoted, and homophobic, and will lose their job because of it.

But hey Azteccc thanks for the conversation. I appreciate the dialog.

[azteccc]

I do as well 84. Believe it or not, I hate seeing it in public. Especially when it is flaunted in a way to almost antagonize much of the time. It is a forced choice I make though, to try and empathize and be accepting, since we all have our problems and shortcomings, and someone else's sexual lifestyle shouldn't bother or matter to me. And everyone should have the right to marry the person they want to be with, right?

I guess that's why I'm a social liberal. But you should try it sometime!

And if you don't say anything about it at work, you probably won't lose your job?

Ya know, if you replace "sexual orientation" and "homosexuality" with "race" and "racial equality" in your post, i'm 100% positive that there was a large majority of racists who had the same thoughts as public sentiment gradually changed.

[Bob Forsythe]

Aug 25, 2011 17:47:02 GMT -8 84aztec96 said:

Hi Bob

I probably should have said homosexuality is a desire/behavior, because it is not just a behavior.

I'm arguing that you can't equate race and homosexuality.

Race has nothing to do with a desire/behavior.

Which is to state that it is a desire/behavior when it is really something someone is born with. Why would anyone engage in a "behavior" that is so hated in our society if they didn't have to do so? What, you figure that gays engage in self-hatred because they want to do so? Figure out that they engage in self-hatred because they are constantly vilified.

And yeah, I know you didn't bring up self-hatred but I think your opinion about gays is a cause of that. But while you're offering your opinions, please let us know how many lesbian porn movies you've watched.

=Bob

[84aztec96]

Wow Bob wow

I don't watch porn. I know it's shocking.

OK so something you're born with = good? Are you sure about that?

I think from your perspective it really doesn't matter if someone is born gay or not. You don't have a problem with it either way.

I think differently. I think some sexual behaviors are not good. Homosexuality being one of them.

I don't hate on gays. Do you hate on me?

[Bob Forsythe]

Aug 27, 2011 16:27:06 GMT -8 84aztec96 said:

Wow Bob wow

I don't watch porn. I know it's shocking.

OK so something you're born with = good? Are you sure about that?

I think from your perspective it really doesn't matter if someone is born gay or not. You don't have a problem with it either way.

I think differently. I think some sexual behaviors are not good. Homosexuality being one of them.

I don't hate on gays. Do you hate on me?

Hate on you? Try using functional English.

No, I do not believe all sexual orientations, or what you would call "behaviors" are good. I believe, for example, that pederasty is a sexual orientation and because of that I do not believe that chile molesters can ever be "cured".

But, OTOH, my wife's best friend, who she's known since the 9th grade, has been in a committed gay relationship for more than 25 years so what's "not good" about that? To tell the truth, they drive me a bit nuts because they argue the same as every long-term married couples argue. And to tell even more truth, gay men tend to be a little more dramatic than I care for.

Have you ever had any gay or lesbian friends or, more to the point, have you ever had any that were in long-term relationships?

So simply put, yeah, you do "hate on gays" and whenever I see someone who does that, it makes me wonder why.

=Bob

[84aztec96]

Hi Bob

To answer your question. Yes. More that one. Some very nice, some not so much, just like everyone else.

If disagreeing with someone, or thinking that someone is doing something wrong = hate, then you must hate me.

Do you hate me?

[Bob Forsythe]

Aug 28, 2011 17:48:43 GMT -8 84aztec96 said:

Hi Bob

To answer your question. Yes. More that one. Some very nice, some not so much, just like everyone else.

If disagreeing with someone, or thinking that someone is doing something wrong = hate, then you must hate me.

Do you hate me?

YAWN.

=Bob