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Post by texasaztec on Jul 9, 2010 20:40:03 GMT -8
One the most frustrating things about some of SDSU's previous football coaches was their simple, predictable and innefective play calling.
With Hoke and crew, what are your thoughts on how the play calling was last year and how it will progress this year? What are the tendencies? Does Hoke have a weakness? If so, where? How about clock management? I'd like to get a conversation going about this topic with some of the posters who have insight into this area.
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Post by aztecalumn on Jul 9, 2010 20:56:50 GMT -8
One the most frustrating things about some of SDSU's previous football coaches was their simple, predictable and innefective play calling. With Hoke and crew, what are your thoughts on how the play calling was last year and how it will progress this year? What are the tendencies? Does Hoke have a weakness? If so, where? How about clock management? I'd like to get a conversation going about this topic with some of the posters who have insight into this area. well first off..the play calling is leaps and bounds better than previous play calling. The offensive system is drastically better than the spread or any other scheme. I honestly dont think hoke has a weakness or even borgess and long. but they can make with what they are given. once the players completely grasp the scheme and their individual duties, this team will be good. |
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Post by aztecpaulg on Jul 9, 2010 21:16:29 GMT -8
Well, I doubt, I'd be considered one of the people with expertise in this area but here are my two cents anyway. The last two coaching staffs used lots of gimmicks to
move the ball. The trouble was once the new wrinkles from the off season were known, the offense became predictable. I remember Robert Ortiz catching a little shovel pass and almost taking it the distance against Michigan but then, once a game they'd run the same fake option inside shuffle pass and it wouldn't go
anywhere.
Now, I realize this is just the difference between a spread offense and a pro style, but I like how we line up and just try and beat the man across from us. With Long and Craft they would design plays intended to trick the other team, you know misdirection, etc. I would get frustrated because at times our players were better than those lined up across from them, but we rarely took advantage of that IMO. Sometimes, you don't
need to surprise the other team, you simply need to execute better. This staff has the mentality that you might know what's coming, but you won't be able to stop it because we're better than you. When you have skill position players like Brown and Sampson and a future NFL QB throwing the rock, it works. Of course, when you have an o-line and young running backs like we do, it doesn't always work.
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Post by cvtower on Jul 9, 2010 21:51:55 GMT -8
Yes, I know it was just one game (and the first game for Hoke), but I remember being shocked when the offense went conservative and predictable from the 2nd quarter on. My point being, why the play calling change when it was something like a 14-10 lead after one quarter and UCLA being unable to stop the offense. Did anyone else see and feel the same that game with the offense?
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Post by jdaztec on Jul 9, 2010 22:06:10 GMT -8
CVT - I was wondering the same thing. That first quarter was a lot of fun. If you remember in that game UCLA scored on some freaky plays, for example the blocked kick that bounced directly into the hands of an out of position Bruin heading to their endzone.
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Post by aztecwin on Jul 10, 2010 6:36:42 GMT -8
We will be much more unpredictable with an improved Offensive Line. When we are able to get four or more yards on first down we will be much better at moving the sticks. Being able to run also makes throwing on first down that much more effective.
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Post by steveaztec on Jul 10, 2010 6:54:33 GMT -8
Your offensive play calling is based on how comfortable you are with your team. If your team is very inexperienced, you are more than likely to be much more conservative with you play calling (unless you are Chuck Knox, who was conservative no matter what  ). I often hear fans say... -Why don't we throw to our TE more? (Many times in recent years our tight end is being used as a blocker, because our OLine isn't doing the job) -Why don't we ever throw long? (Because we don't have a running game and the OLine has been able to give the QB time to throw long) -Why don't we blitz more? (Because we don't have the speed to blitz with certain personal on the field) I am sure every coach wants to put up 40 on the board, but you have to plan to your personal. I do think the play calling was better last year than the previous two regimes. |
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Post by standiego on Jul 10, 2010 7:05:40 GMT -8
who ever controls the line of scrimmage controls the game, do agree with the others we got too conservative last year ,hope we do not feel the "need " to be considered a running team . Physical yes but diversity keeps the other team guessing and unless we can dominate the line play ,smart play calling will be important. The most proven player we have is V Brown and should not be forgotten. Do hope there is improvement in the O line and we can run the ball with consistency(Hillman and company) , but not to the point where we become too predictable and forced into 3rd and long most of the game.
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Post by monty on Jul 10, 2010 7:34:30 GMT -8
I like pro set and I like balanced play calling so I am pleased with the efforts. We might win a game here or there if Borges threw the ball every down, but we wouldn't develop as a program and we would retard any progress. We need to run the ball, we need to run the ball 5+ more times a game to eat the clock and earn field position and we need to develop the ability to be able to run the ball inside the 20/30.
Unless the returners have vastly improved or the redshirts can step in and contribute at corner, we won't be blitzing more or we'll be burnt,
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Post by RiffelBooks on Jul 10, 2010 9:52:38 GMT -8
Go back and look at the game. You'll see it was much more us getting stuffed by Brian Price and the UCLA defense, and a lot of incompletions, than suddenly going conservative. It's all about execution. Blockers gotta block, receivers gotta make the right reads and run the right routes, the QBs have to get the ball to the right place at the right time. Yes, I know it was just one game (and the first game for Hoke), but I remember being shocked when the offense went conservative and predictable from the 2nd quarter on. My point being, why the play calling change when it was something like a 14-10 lead after one quarter and UCLA being unable to stop the offense. Did anyone else see and feel the same that game with the offense? |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 10, 2010 12:19:20 GMT -8
Go back and look at the game. You'll see it was much more us getting stuffed by Brian Price and the UCLA defense, and a lot of incompletions, than suddenly going conservative. It's all about execution. Blockers gotta block, receivers gotta make the right reads and run the right routes, the QBs have to get the ball to the right place at the right time. Yes, I know it was just one game (and the first game for Hoke), but I remember being shocked when the offense went conservative and predictable from the 2nd quarter on. My point being, why the play calling change when it was something like a 14-10 lead after one quarter and UCLA being unable to stop the offense. Did anyone else see and feel the same that game with the offense? Boy do I agree with you, sportstown. It was Borges' first game as the OC at SDSU so UCLA could only guess as to what he would do with the personnel he had. Once they made adjustments (SDSU fans hardly know what that is since Craft and Chuck themselves seemed not to), Lindley got confused and started throwing into coverage. Simple as that IMO. |
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Post by dshawfan on Jul 10, 2010 12:24:29 GMT -8
Go back and look at the game. You'll see it was much more us getting stuffed by Brian Price and the UCLA defense, and a lot of incompletions, than suddenly going conservative. It's all about execution. Blockers gotta block, receivers gotta make the right reads and run the right routes, the QBs have to get the ball to the right place at the right time. Boy do I agree with you, sportstown. It was Borges' first game as the OC at SDSU so UCLA could only guess as to what he would do with the personnel he had. Once they made adjustments (SDSU fans hardly know what that is since Craft and Chuck themselves seemed not to), Lindley got confused and started throwing into coverage. Simple as that IMO. Bingo! UCLA had no idea what to expect, so it took them a little time to start adjusting to what we were doing. I would also be willing to bet that UCLA's kids were maybe not playing with full purpose of body and soul at the start of the game. Come on it's the Aztecs again....nothing like getting punched in the mouth by an opponent you don't respect to get your attention. |
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Post by dshawfan on Jul 10, 2010 12:27:34 GMT -8
Your offensive play calling is based on how comfortable you are with your team. If your team is very inexperienced, you are more than likely to be much more conservative with you play calling (unless you are Chuck Knox, who was conservative no matter what ). I often hear fans say... -Why don't we throw to our TE more? (Many times in recent years our tight end is being used as a blocker, because our OLine isn't doing the job) -Why don't we ever throw long? (Because we don't have a running game and the OLine has been able to give the QB time to throw long) -Why don't we blitz more? (Because we don't have the speed to blitz with certain personal on the field) I am sure every coach wants to put up 40 on the board, but you have to plan to your personal. I do think the play calling was better last year than the previous two regimes. Good points Steve. It is real easy as a fan to sit there and call for this or that. It is a lot different when you are out there working with the players and you know what they can and cannot execute, and if you are being handled up front it makes play calling really tough. |
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Post by johneaztec on Jul 10, 2010 12:59:05 GMT -8
Your offensive play calling is based on how comfortable you are with your team. If your team is very inexperienced, you are more than likely to be much more conservative with you play calling (unless you are Chuck Knox, who was conservative no matter what ). I often hear fans say... -Why don't we throw to our TE more? (Many times in recent years our tight end is being used as a blocker, because our OLine isn't doing the job) -Why don't we ever throw long? (Because we don't have a running game and the OLine has been able to give the QB time to throw long) -Why don't we blitz more? (Because we don't have the speed to blitz with certain personal on the field) I am sure every coach wants to put up 40 on the board, but you have to plan to your personal. I do think the play calling was better last year than the previous two regimes. This holds true in all sports, be it Fball, Bball, BBbal, etc... The typical fan who's never coached or played much, is screaming at his T.V. for the coach to blitz more, or the team to get the basketball inside more, or for their team to try and steal bases more often. It's all about the personnel you have to play with, whether there's injuries, or the packages their running at the time. It cracks me up when I'm at a sports bar and there's a guy next to me screaming as to why they're not doing this or not and I'm thinking to myself, because they can't!!!! For whatever reason.  |
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Post by ron on Jul 10, 2010 14:53:00 GMT -8
Great players have way of making their coaches look like geniuses. We don't have many great players.
That being said, it sure makes a difference when your coaching staff makes adjustments as the game wears on. We saw some of that last year, for a change. But, even if the coach puts people in the right positions they still have to make the plays.
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Post by AztecWilliam on Jul 10, 2010 15:46:36 GMT -8
Trick plays are great if and only if they are well designed and are used very sparingly. On that second point I mean that certain plays should be used perhaps only once or twice a season. Under no circumstances should they be used as a bread-and-butter weapon.
AzWm
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Post by steveaztec on Jul 10, 2010 15:55:13 GMT -8
Trick plays are great if and only if they are well designed and are used very sparingly. On that second point I mean that certain plays should be used perhaps only once or twice a season. Under no circumstances should they be used as a bread-and-butter weapon. AzWm I've never understood why fans were so thrilled with trick plays (more than a couple of times a year). It is a sign of desperation. |
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Post by Bob Forsythe on Jul 10, 2010 17:47:28 GMT -8
Seems to me we all have to keep in mind that Borges was bringing in a new system that very few of the kids had any familiarity with, given that most high schools rely upon the spread or a running game. That tends to limit the play calling in the first year.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 10, 2010 22:24:15 GMT -8
Can't stomach the 3rd and short runs that inevitably become 4th and 3's after the RB gets his ass kicked in the backfield. If you can't run the ball generally, then you definitely can't run it on 3rd and short. Throw the ball and/or move the QB out of the pocket in those situations until you have guys up front who are nasty enough to get a yard when it is needed.
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Post by texasaztec on Jul 11, 2010 17:23:20 GMT -8
So, with the personnel we have on the field, knowing that we have to play to our strengths, and knowing we have some excellent coaches, what kind of play calling do you anticipate this year?
Will it be run on first down, throw on second and run/throw on 3rd depending on yards as the bread and butter? Or will it be throw on first (we have a future NFL QB and future NFL WR), follow up with a run then run or throw on 3rd? Or something else?
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