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Post by aztecbruce on Jun 2, 2011 7:24:40 GMT -8
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Post by AztecBill on Jun 2, 2011 8:47:08 GMT -8
He is doing better than I expected.
I couple of things about your post.
1. I never offered a bet. I offered you a challenge. 2. I never said all Padres pitchers who would have better ERA. I asked you to pick a pitcher that would have a worse ERA than Correia at the end of the year.
If you had picked a player, you most likely would have picked Mosley. You would be losing this challenge.
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Post by aztecbruce on Jun 2, 2011 14:39:53 GMT -8
He is doing better than I expected. I couple of things about your post. 1. I never offered a bet. I offered you a challenge. 2. I never said all Padres pitchers who would have better ERA. I asked you to pick a pitcher that would have a worse ERA than Correia at the end of the year. If you had picked a player, you most likely would have picked Mosley. You would be losing this challenge. What are you a f'ing mindreader now too? I have no idea who I would have picked and you sure as hell don't know either. Bill's accuracy at mindreading - "Management made a smart decision to let him walk." - May 16
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Post by AztecBill on Jun 3, 2011 8:33:03 GMT -8
He is doing better than I expected. I couple of things about your post. 1. I never offered a bet. I offered you a challenge. 2. I never said all Padres pitchers who would have better ERA. I asked you to pick a pitcher that would have a worse ERA than Correia at the end of the year. If you had picked a player, you most likely would have picked Mosley. You would be losing this challenge. What are you a f'ing mindreader now too? I have no idea who I would have picked and you sure as hell don't know either. Bill's accuracy at mindreading - "Management made a smart decision to let him walk." - May 16 Keeping Corriea would have meant not signing Mosley or Harang. Harang was considered the better of those two. That is why he signed for $4 million and Mosley for 900K. So Moseley may not have been your choice but it was the Padres choice of who to sign instead of Corriea. You were making a case that the Padres were cheap and mistaken to not sign Corriea. I think you need to consider a couple of facts. 1. Harang was willing to sign for one year - Corriea not. That will give the Padres a top draft pick when they let him go next year. 2. Moseley signed for 900K. He only has 3 years of service. That means the Padres have control over him for the next 3 years. 3. Correia lost his starting spot on the Padres last year and finished with a 5.40 ERA. Most Padres fans were very happy to see him go. He also had a decent April last year (3.86 ERA) but just got worse. I re-issue the challenge: Pick a Padres starter who you would not start/sign this season to replace with Corriea for $8 million for 2 years. It is easy to criticize the Padres but you don't want to change their decision even after having two months of "extra" data to use. I doubt very much you will take the challenge because you are more of a troll than a serious poster.
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Post by aztecbruce on Jun 6, 2011 12:46:00 GMT -8
What are you a f'ing mindreader now too? I have no idea who I would have picked and you sure as hell don't know either. Bill's accuracy at mindreading - "Management made a smart decision to let him walk." - May 16 Keeping Corriea would have meant not signing Mosley or Harang. Harang was considered the better of those two. That is why he signed for $4 million and Mosley for 900K. So Moseley may not have been your choice but it was the Padres choice of who to sign instead of Corriea. You were making a case that the Padres were cheap and mistaken to not sign Corriea. I think you need to consider a couple of facts. 1. Harang was willing to sign for one year - Corriea not. That will give the Padres a top draft pick when they let him go next year. 2. Moseley signed for 900K. He only has 3 years of service. That means the Padres have control over him for the next 3 years. 3. Correia lost his starting spot on the Padres last year and finished with a 5.40 ERA. Most Padres fans were very happy to see him go. He also had a decent April last year (3.86 ERA) but just got worse. I re-issue the challenge: Pick a Padres starter who you would not start/sign this season to replace with Corriea for $8 million for 2 years. It is easy to criticize the Padres but you don't want to change their decision even after having two months of "extra" data to use. I doubt very much you will take the challenge because you are more of a troll than a serious poster. I was making the case that Correia's pitching performance AFTER HIS BROTHER DIED wasn't the real Correia. Simple as that. He wanted to stay and was pissed when they let him go. As to what length of contract Correia wanted or demanded isn't info either you or I know. Based on what info I've heard is that he was never offered a chance to stay. You assume far too much when you write your comments and predictions.
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Post by AztecBill on Jun 6, 2011 13:32:49 GMT -8
I was making the case that Correia's pitching performance AFTER HIS BROTHER DIED wasn't the real Correia. Simple as that. He wanted to stay and was pissed when they let him go. As to what length of contract Correia wanted or demanded isn't info either you or I know. Based on what info I've heard is that he was never offered a chance to stay. You assume far too much when you write your comments and predictions. Fair enough. I am glad we didn't resign him. We will draft a good player today because we let Correia walk. Harang and Mosley have been good replacements for Corriea and Garland and the Padres will have two first round choices to boot. They will get another one when Harang walks. That is the plan. One year contracts and compensation.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 6, 2011 13:56:47 GMT -8
Bill,
You are assuming
1) Harang doesn't return next year
2) Is a "Type A" free agent??
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Post by AztecBill on Jun 6, 2011 14:06:00 GMT -8
Bill, You are assuming 1) Harang doesn't return next year 2) Is a "Type A" free agent?? It has been the Padres method of operation - Class "A" or Class "B". Harang has a $5 million mutal option with a $500,000 buyout. I suspect either way one of the parties will exercise the option and the Padres will get compensation. Free agents. Aaron Harang ($5 million with mutual option. $0.5 million buyout) Ryan Ludwick Heath Bell Brad Hawpe ($6 million with mutual option. $1 million buyout) Chad Qualls ($6 million with mutual option. $1 million buyout) Padres should get a lot of extra draft choices for 2012.
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Post by AztecBill on Jun 8, 2011 10:33:57 GMT -8
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Post by aztecbruce on Jun 8, 2011 21:53:07 GMT -8
I was making the case that Correia's pitching performance AFTER HIS BROTHER DIED wasn't the real Correia. Simple as that. He wanted to stay and was pissed when they let him go. As to what length of contract Correia wanted or demanded isn't info either you or I know. Based on what info I've heard is that he was never offered a chance to stay. You assume far too much when you write your comments and predictions. Fair enough. I am glad we didn't resign him. We will draft a good player today because we let Correia walk. Harang and Mosley have been good replacements for Corriea and Garland and the Padres will have two first round choices to boot. They will get another one when Harang walks. That is the plan. One year contracts and compensation. We draft a lot of good players and most of them never make it. Obviously I'll hold judgment on the draftee for years to go assuming we sign him. You keep forgetting the high draft picks that the other teams get for the players WE sign. It works both ways and not just the one way your arguments go.
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Post by AztecBill on Jun 9, 2011 7:52:23 GMT -8
Fair enough. I am glad we didn't resign him. We will draft a good player today because we let Correia walk. Harang and Mosley have been good replacements for Corriea and Garland and the Padres will have two first round choices to boot. They will get another one when Harang walks. That is the plan. One year contracts and compensation. We draft a lot of good players and most of them never make it. Obviously I'll hold judgment on the draftee for years to go assuming we sign him. You keep forgetting the high draft picks that the other teams get for the players WE sign. It works both ways and not just the one way your arguments go. Why should I care what draft picks they get. They are not our draft picks.
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Post by aztecron on Jun 9, 2011 8:46:44 GMT -8
Bill, have you read a book called "The Extra 2%" by Jonah Keri? If not, its a great baseball book, it follows the TB Rays and their new (since new ownership took over 5 or 6 years ago) business model. It is a great, and I truly mean great book.
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Post by AztecBill on Jun 10, 2011 8:29:41 GMT -8
Bill, have you read a book called "The Extra 2%" by Jonah Keri? If not, its a great baseball book, it follows the TB Rays and their new (since new ownership took over 5 or 6 years ago) business model. It is a great, and I truly mean great book. Thanks, I may check that out.
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Post by aztecbruce on Jun 10, 2011 8:55:29 GMT -8
We draft a lot of good players and most of them never make it. Obviously I'll hold judgment on the draftee for years to go assuming we sign him. You keep forgetting the high draft picks that the other teams get for the players WE sign. It works both ways and not just the one way your arguments go. Why should I care what draft picks they get. They are not our draft picks. They might be prospects we have interest in drafting.
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Post by AztecBill on Jun 10, 2011 10:39:52 GMT -8
Why should I care what draft picks they get. They are not our draft picks. They might be prospects we have interest in drafting. The compensation for Type "A" free agents is a first round draft choice of the signing team, plus a draft pick in the sandwich round. The compensation for Type "B" free agents is only a draft pick in the sandwich round - not costing the signing team any draft pick. The Padres only deal in Type "B" free agents. We may deal with some type "A" free agents in the future. 1. Signing. Once payroll goes up and the farm system produces the type of players we needed to spend $5 million a pop to complete our roster, we will be in position to sign one type "A" free agent instead of 3 or 4 type "B" free agents. 2. Having signed. Any type "A" free agents we have had were traded before they walked. The next one might occur in a season where we are in the hunt. That may create a type "A" free agent which we will get compensation for.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 10, 2011 11:41:02 GMT -8
Reading AztecBruce talk about baseball, is like reading Lady Gaga talk about politics.
Sometimes I just have to laugh and shake my head at the monitor.
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Post by aztecbruce on Jun 10, 2011 14:49:52 GMT -8
Reading AztecBruce talk about baseball, is like reading Lady Gaga talk about politics. Sometimes I just have to laugh and shake my head at the monitor. WTF do you know Josher? You've got nothing to add as to factual info or intelligent opinions on Correia do you? You Couldn't stand to be away long. Tired of crying and whining on the other board? My guess is that you were probably drilled between the eyebrows with a high heater and the dent never went away. I'll take another 10% since you have nothing to add to the subject at hand.
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Post by aztecbruce on Jun 10, 2011 14:59:13 GMT -8
Reading AztecBruce talk about baseball, is like reading Lady Gaga talk about politics. Sometimes I just have to laugh and shake my head at the monitor. It figures that you're a fan of Lady Gaga.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 10, 2011 20:48:35 GMT -8
I swing by from time to time. Primarily I am on Guy's site though.
Cheers!
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Post by AztecBill on Jun 13, 2011 9:09:34 GMT -8
With another bad outing Correia's ERA moves below Harang and Mosley. So now he is below 3 of our 5 starters. Only Latos and Richard's ERAs are above him - two starters that would not have been out of the starting lineup to make way for signing Correia. And in other news the Padres sign the SS, Jace Peterson, they drafted with the compensation they got for letting Correia walk.
I find it difficult to believe that anyone would have wanted the Padres to re-sign Correia.
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