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Post by AztecWilliam on Jun 12, 2011 11:18:08 GMT -8
Let me clarify the Vitter situation a bit. His indiscretions occurred SEVEN years before they were made public. SEVEN! He had already revealed everything to his wife about three years before the big news blowup. They had worked out the issue and were busy getting on with their lives.
Should he have resigned? I tend to think not. In any case, he was reelected, so obviously his constituents decided that it was a cold case file not worth reopening.
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Post by aztecwin on Jun 12, 2011 12:03:24 GMT -8
Hmmm.... Ordinarily I would think this story would just go away... after all, he is a Democrat, and Democrats cannot be held to any societal standard, because they have none. But, something must be gaining traction, because the lap-dog media is trying to claim he is a Republican. tinyurl.com/3atj9y7Interesting how House Democratic leadership is calling for his resignation weeks after his stupidity was revealed. Compare that to how the Senate GOP leadership let Ensign slide for two years in a much more reprehensible breach of ethics. The GOP, the moral compass of our nation.  What is even more interesting is how Weiner is trying to hang on no matter what. Going into some kind of recovery or rehab? Give me a break! |
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Post by aztecwin on Jun 12, 2011 12:07:18 GMT -8
Let me clarify the Vitter situation a bit. His indiscretions occurred SEVEN years before they were made public. SEVEN! He had already revealed everything to his wife about three years before the big news blowup. They had worked out the issue and were busy getting on with their lives. Should he have resigned? I tend to think not. In any case, he was reelected, so obviously his constituents decided that it was a cold case file not worth reopening. AzWm I am seeing this a little different now. Seems like Vitter did all the right things before he was outed and made it right with his family. I change my mind and give him a pass. Weiner should go, but keeping him around just might be a blessing for the GOP. Not that they would ever win that seat, but that he would be that turd in the punch bowl that just would never go below the surface. Dip at your own risk so to speak. |
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Post by davdesid on Jun 12, 2011 13:20:48 GMT -8
Hmmm.... Ordinarily I would think this story would just go away... after all, he is a Democrat, and Democrats cannot be held to any societal standard, because they have none. But, something must be gaining traction, because the lap-dog media is trying to claim he is a Republican. tinyurl.com/3atj9y7Interesting how House Democratic leadership is calling for his resignation weeks after his stupidity was revealed. Compare that to how the Senate GOP leadership let Ensign slide for two years in a much more reprehensible breach of ethics. The GOP, the moral compass of our nation. You are not going to maneuver me into defending Ensign with your pathetic 'tu quoque' argument. Neither will I defend Clinton, Edwards, Rangell, Waters, Craig, Standing 'O' Studds, Barney Frank, Schwarznegger, nor the most egregious scumbag of them all - Ted Kennedy. Nor any of the other filthy reprobates who constitute the "ruling class" in this country. Nice try. Sorry. OBTW, Reuters did try to identify Weiner as a Republican. "We hang our petty thieves, and we appoint the great ones to public office." - Aesop (6th Century BC) - |
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Post by aztec70 on Jun 12, 2011 15:04:17 GMT -8
I did not ask you to defend Ensign. That was just a comparison. What I want is for you to admit that he is not being defended by the Democratic House leadership.
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Post by retreader on Jun 12, 2011 15:27:16 GMT -8
As a centrist I'm not surprised that Weiner is still trying to stick it out.
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Post by aztecwin on Jun 12, 2011 15:36:39 GMT -8
I did not ask you to defend Ensign. That was just a comparison. What I want is for you to admit that he is not being defended by the Democratic House leadership. Not now, the House Dem leadership understands that they will be better off if Weiner goes. Repubs will not win the seat in that district. If Weiner stays, he will be a never ending issue that has to be put up with. |
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Post by davdesid on Jun 12, 2011 15:42:23 GMT -8
I did not ask you to defend Ensign. That was just a comparison. What I want is for you to admit that he is not being defended by the Democratic House leadership. Okay. I admit it. Ensign is not being defended by the Democratic House leadership. |
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Post by Bob Forsythe on Jun 12, 2011 17:32:51 GMT -8
Let me clarify the Vitter situation a bit. His indiscretions occurred SEVEN years before they were made public. SEVEN! He had already revealed everything to his wife about three years before the big news blowup. They had worked out the issue and were busy getting on with their lives. Should he have resigned? I tend to think not. In any case, he was reelected, so obviously his constituents decided that it was a cold case file not worth reopening. AzWm That being the case, why would you argue that Weiner shouldn't be allowed to "make it right" with his family and let the voters in his district decide? Most polls are showing a majority of his constituents want him to continue. =Bob |
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Post by aztec70 on Jun 12, 2011 17:40:27 GMT -8
LOL. That was good. Now how about Weiner?
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Post by Yoda on Jun 12, 2011 19:20:50 GMT -8
Most polls are showing a majority of his constituents want him to continue. =Bob And early poll showed that about 65% of his constituents thought he should not resign. As this story has continued to unfold, however, each chapter revealing something that wasn't known when the poll was taken, I suspect that his early constituent support has eroded quite a bit. To me, the question, "Should he resign?", is meaningless. That's a decision that only he can make. To me the twin questions should be, "Should he be impeached?" and, "If you found yourself in his shoes, would you resign?" I would be surprised if this was an impeachable offense. Pelosi has called for an investigation to determine if House rules were broken and, if they were, then impeachment is a possibility. Absent impeachment, he can try and ride it out -- and how successful he is won't be known until the next election And if I found myself in his shoes, I would resign and move to an isolated part of the world where nobody would know me. And where there were no internet connections. I'd be packed already -- my wife would have seen to that -- and I'd just go hide somewhere. I'd be waaaaaaaay too mortified to face my constituents or anyone else that knows me, much less to run for reelection. That's the thing that puzzles me -- and perhaps that's questions 3 & 4 -- "Why would he not resign?" "Where is his sense of shame?" You folks try and find distinctions that excuse the behavior of those on your side of the aisle, while damning similar actions by those on the other side of the aisle. And that is pure hypocritical bull in my book. It's not a partisan issue and you do a disservice when you try to make it one. The only time it is a political issue, in my view, is when someone touts themselves as a "family values" candidate -- and even then, the issue isn't the act (be it a prostitute, an affair or an "internet presence") but the hypocrisy. And it isn't an issue at all if it occurred prior to wrapping themselves in the "family values" flag. People really do "get religion" after having been caught doing something that they shouldn't have. Yoda out... . |
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Post by davdesid on Jun 13, 2011 15:14:23 GMT -8
LOL. That was good. Now how about Weiner? Weiner? Okay... I don't know what you are fishing for, but I made no assertions one way or the other about the House Demagogue Leadership with regard to Weiner. A number of Demagogues have called for Weiner to step down, and Pelosi said she wants a Weiner probe. I'd bet Barney Frank would love to have one, too. I have little doubt that it is political calculus, rather than anything resembling societal standards which drives Demagogues and how they go down on their Weiner. Today, on ABC's top of the hour news at noon, the newsreader said that the White House spokesman, Carney, referred to the Weiner situation as merely a 'distraction', but did not call for him to step down. Also, Weiner's patron, Shmuck Schumer, has not called for him to step down... but Obama reportedly said, "if it were me, I'd resign." I imagine that comment will elicit a private counseling session from Clinton. I hope Weiner stays, so that he can be an object of derision for a long time into the future. Like Studds, he could end up retiring with a standing "O". From the party of no standards. legalinsurrection.blogspot.com/2011/06/do-democrats-not-oppose-adultery-and.html |
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Post by davdesid on Jun 13, 2011 16:25:23 GMT -8
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Post by uwaztec on Jun 14, 2011 6:46:19 GMT -8
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Post by aztecwin on Jun 14, 2011 12:28:20 GMT -8
Do you think that was the real transcript? If so, bizaro! That YouTube clip will be used by his opponents on both sides of the isle in the next election should he survive. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 15, 2011 14:49:13 GMT -8
That YouTube clip will be used by his opponents on both sides of the isle in the next election should he survive. He won't. |
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Post by aztec70 on Jun 15, 2011 17:23:25 GMT -8
Interesting how House Democratic leadership is calling for his resignation weeks after his stupidity was revealed. Compare that to how the Senate GOP leadership let Ensign slide for two years in a much more reprehensible breach of ethics. The GOP, the moral compass of our nation. What is even more interesting is how Weiner is trying to hang on no matter what. Going into some kind of recovery or rehab? Give me a break! Give you a break? Let's see you are okay with Ensign, but not Weiner. Ensign commits adultery with his best friend's wife. He was much more willing than she. The fact that her husband worked for Ensign and their family income depended on that job makes it worse. Ensign bribes the family to keep it quiet, and then illegally got the husband a job elsewhere. That is far worse than anything Weiner did. Give you a break? LOL |
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Post by aztecwin on Jun 16, 2011 11:45:29 GMT -8
What is even more interesting is how Weiner is trying to hang on no matter what. Going into some kind of recovery or rehab? Give me a break! Give you a break? Let's see you are okay with Ensign, but not Weiner. Ensign commits adultery with his best friend's wife. He was much more willing than she. The fact that her husband worked for Ensign and their family income depended on that job makes it worse. Ensign bribes the family to keep it quiet, and then illegally got the husband a job elsewhere. That is far worse than anything Weiner did. Give you a break? LOL Who is defending Ensign? Just what makes you think that pointing out some unrelated wrong is an adequate defense of the indefensible. At any rate, Weiner has resigned. Really that is to be expected but it would have been better for the Republicans had he hung on. You know, the turd in the already polluted Democrat punchbowl. |
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Post by AlwaysAnAztec on Jun 16, 2011 13:28:44 GMT -8
It's all over. He's gone.
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Post by aztecwin on Jun 16, 2011 15:37:22 GMT -8
It's all over. He's gone. I am sure it is over, but can you just answer one question? Why are people on here still talking about Ensign and "Toe Tapper" Craig? |
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