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Post by AztecWilliam on May 3, 2011 20:14:06 GMT -8
Here's a good account of what it took to get Bin Laden. Also of how LONG it took to get him. Translation: This goes back to efforts begun under President Bush. I think it's unfortunate, though sadly predictable, that Obama did not make that clear in his address. Don't misunderstand; I think his address to the nation was good. On the other hand, there was just a bit too much "I" in that address. One who did not know better might have thought that the whole thing started on BHO's watch. But then, this is Barack Obama. www.cnn.com/2011/OPINION/05/02/borger.ksm.bin.laden/index.htmlAzWm |
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Post by aztec70 on May 4, 2011 7:19:07 GMT -8
Here's a good account of what it took to get Bin Laden. Also of how LONG it took to get him. Translation: This goes back to efforts begun under President Bush. I think it's unfortunate, though sadly predictable, that Obama did not make that clear in his address. Don't misunderstand; I think his address to the nation was good. On the other hand, there was just a bit too much "I" in that address. One who did not know better might have thought that the whole thing started on BHO's watch. But then, this is Barack Obama. www.cnn.com/2011/OPINION/05/02/borger.ksm.bin.laden/index.htmlAzWm Hmm. I seem to remember that Bill Clinton ordered strikes against bin Laden in 1998. However, conservatives were so upset about that. After all it, was distracting from their impeachment of Clinton. That was way more important than national security.  Have you forgotten that Richard Clark tried to get the attention of the Bush administration about the danger of bin Laden but was ignored by them? But then, this is AztecWilliam posting. Shoot, I would not be suprised if he had not plucked out his left eye. Being left it offended him.  |
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Post by AztecWilliam on May 4, 2011 9:49:43 GMT -8
Here's a good account of what it took to get Bin Laden. Also of how LONG it took to get him. Translation: This goes back to efforts begun under President Bush. I think it's unfortunate, though sadly predictable, that Obama did not make that clear in his address. Don't misunderstand; I think his address to the nation was good. On the other hand, there was just a bit too much "I" in that address. One who did not know better might have thought that the whole thing started on BHO's watch. But then, this is Barack Obama. www.cnn.com/2011/OPINION/05/02/borger.ksm.bin.laden/index.htmlAzWm Hmm. I seem to remember that Bill Clinton ordered strikes against bin Laden in 1998. However, conservatives were so upset about that. After all it, was distracting from their impeachment of Clinton. That was way more important than national security. Have you forgotten that Richard Clark tried to get the attention of the Bush administration about the danger of bin Laden but was ignored by them? But then, this is AztecWilliam posting. Shoot, I would not be suprised if he had not plucked out his left eye. Being left it offended him. Seems to me that your response is a bit beside the point. As for Clinton, he had a chance to get bin Laden but was afraid that doing so was too risky. In this case, Obama did what Clinton should have done. For that he deserves, and is getting, due credit. AzWm |
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Post by aztecwin on May 4, 2011 12:20:08 GMT -8
Here's a good account of what it took to get Bin Laden. Also of how LONG it took to get him. Translation: This goes back to efforts begun under President Bush. I think it's unfortunate, though sadly predictable, that Obama did not make that clear in his address. Don't misunderstand; I think his address to the nation was good. On the other hand, there was just a bit too much "I" in that address. One who did not know better might have thought that the whole thing started on BHO's watch. But then, this is Barack Obama. www.cnn.com/2011/OPINION/05/02/borger.ksm.bin.laden/index.htmlAzWm Hmm. I seem to remember that Bill Clinton ordered strikes against bin Laden in 1998. However, conservatives were so upset about that. After all it, was distracting from their impeachment of Clinton. That was way more important than national security. Have you forgotten that Richard Clark tried to get the attention of the Bush administration about the danger of bin Laden but was ignored by them? But then, this is AztecWilliam posting. Shoot, I would not be suprised if he had not plucked out his left eye. Being left it offended him. It seems we all have a little selective memory. Now how many times was Bin Laden offered to Clinton and Clinton declined? Obama should get credit for making the gutsy decision to undertake this operation, but the start was under Bush and his administration should be recognized for their part. |
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Post by markyc on May 4, 2011 12:25:19 GMT -8
Obama made the call to go forward and get the guy, all credit to Obama.
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Post by aztec70 on May 4, 2011 15:30:08 GMT -8
Hmm. I seem to remember that Bill Clinton ordered strikes against bin Laden in 1998. However, conservatives were so upset about that. After all it, was distracting from their impeachment of Clinton. That was way more important than national security. Have you forgotten that Richard Clark tried to get the attention of the Bush administration about the danger of bin Laden but was ignored by them? But then, this is AztecWilliam posting. Shoot, I would not be suprised if he had not plucked out his left eye. Being left it offended him. It seems we all have a little selective memory. Now how many times was Bin Laden offered to Clinton and Clinton declined? Obama should get credit for making the gutsy decision to undertake this operation, but the start was under Bush and his administration should be recognized for their part. I certainly have no problem with giving Bush some credit. Just have to wonder why you can not give Clinton any. How many times did Richard Clark try to brief Bush about bin Laden? It was only after 9/11 did Bush open his eyes. When will you open yours? |
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Post by davdesid on May 4, 2011 15:40:55 GMT -8
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Post by aztec70 on May 4, 2011 16:04:24 GMT -8
After Clinton does have evidence that bin Laden has committed crimes against us what did he do? Ordered cruise missles against his location. They missed. What did the conservatives say? Was it nice try, but no cigar? No. They were certainly interested in cigars, though. They went all "wag the dog" they were upset that this might draw attention away from Lewinski's vagina. That, Sir, is the point. Conservatives were far more interested in ***** politics than national security. |
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Post by davdesid on May 4, 2011 16:15:34 GMT -8
After Clinton does have evidence that bin Laden has committed crimes against us what did he do? Ordered cruise missles against his location. They missed. What did the conservatives say? Was it nice try, but no cigar? No. They were certainly interested in cigars, though. They went all "wag the dog" they were upset that this might draw attention away from Lewinski's vagina. That, Sir, is the point. Conservatives were far more interested in ***** politics than national security. No, actually, it was Clinton, who was more interested in getting his crank sucked in the Oval Office than he was in national security. |
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Post by 78aztec82 on May 4, 2011 19:25:17 GMT -8
Obama made the call to go forward and get the guy, all credit to Obama. All credit? All? How about giving credit to the folks that figured it out, did all the hard planning and especially those that put their lives on the line? Certainly, the President gets the credit for making the decision but "all the credit?" No way. |
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Post by aztec70 on May 4, 2011 19:37:11 GMT -8
After Clinton does have evidence that bin Laden has committed crimes against us what did he do? Ordered cruise missles against his location. They missed. What did the conservatives say? Was it nice try, but no cigar? No. They were certainly interested in cigars, though. They went all "wag the dog" they were upset that this might draw attention away from Lewinski's vagina. That, Sir, is the point. Conservatives were far more interested in ***** politics than national security. No, actually, it was Clinton, who was more interested in getting his crank sucked in the Oval Office than he was in national security. Just because you can't do two things at once doesn't mean Clinton could not.  |
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Post by davdesid on May 5, 2011 11:59:19 GMT -8
No, actually, it was Clinton, who was more interested in getting his crank sucked in the Oval Office than he was in national security. Just because you can't do two things at once doesn't mean Clinton could not. Perhaps, but Clinton actually was concerned with THREE things. In ascending order, they were: 3. National Security 2. Getting a teen-ager to suck his crank 1. Slithering out of a civil law suit, which led to the REAL reason for his impeachment: perjury in a federal court.  |
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Post by aztec70 on May 5, 2011 13:34:56 GMT -8
Just because you can't do two things at once doesn't mean Clinton could not. Perhaps, but Clinton actually was concerned with THREE things. In ascending order, they were: 3. National Security 2. Getting a teen-ager to suck his crank 1. Slithering out of a civil law suit, which led to the REAL reason for his impeachment: perjury in a federal court. There you go again. She had graduated from college. |
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Post by davdesid on May 5, 2011 13:59:12 GMT -8
Perhaps, but Clinton actually was concerned with THREE things. In ascending order, they were: 3. National Security 2. Getting a teen-ager to suck his crank 1. Slithering out of a civil law suit, which led to the REAL reason for his impeachment: perjury in a federal court. There you go again. She had graduated from college. She did? Was her degree in Music? (How to play the skin flute and spit out the music?) ;D |
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Post by aztecwin on May 5, 2011 14:19:59 GMT -8
Obama made the call to go forward and get the guy, all credit to Obama. All credit? All? How about giving credit to the folks that figured it out, did all the hard planning and especially those that put their lives on the line? Certainly, the President gets the credit for making the decision but "all the credit?" No way. I would say that Bush made this possible by dismantling all that stove piping and capability crippling policy that had appeared under Clinton. You are right however it is the hardworking guys in the intelligence trenches that should get the credit along with the Seals who pulled it off. |
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Post by Bob Forsythe on May 6, 2011 15:34:03 GMT -8
All credit? All? How about giving credit to the folks that figured it out, did all the hard planning and especially those that put their lives on the line? Certainly, the President gets the credit for making the decision but "all the credit?" No way. I would say that Bush made this possible by dismantling all that stove piping and capability crippling policy that had appeared under Clinton. You are right however it is the hardworking guys in the intelligence trenches that should get the credit along with the Seals who pulled it off. Let's face it, Pooh, you'd say anything if you thought it would make one of the more brain-dead Republican Presidents this country has ever see look good. God, when I think of the great Republicans this country has seen, from Lincoln to TDR to Henry Cabot Lodge (and yeah, Goldwater as well), it really disgusts me what you right-wing clowns are willing to settle for. =Bob |
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Post by aztecwin on May 6, 2011 15:57:59 GMT -8
I would say that Bush made this possible by dismantling all that stove piping and capability crippling policy that had appeared under Clinton. You are right however it is the hardworking guys in the intelligence trenches that should get the credit along with the Seals who pulled it off. Let's face it, Pooh, you'd say anything if you thought it would make one of the more brain-dead Republican Presidents this country has ever see look good. God, when I think of the great Republicans this country has seen, from Lincoln to TDR to Henry Cabot Lodge (and yeah, Goldwater as well), it really disgusts me what you right-wing clowns are willing to settle for. =Bob Brain dead is not exactly how I would describe President Bush, but he was not exactly a Reagan. It just galls you lefties to know that Bush was head and shoulders smarter and accomplished more than Obama, Clinton or anything that Kerry or Algore could have done. Face it, you can't get good men to run for the Republican nomination and there are no good men on the Democrat side. |
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Post by Bob Forsythe on May 6, 2011 16:33:43 GMT -8
Obama made the call to go forward and get the guy, all credit to Obama. All credit? All? How about giving credit to the folks that figured it out, did all the hard planning and especially those that put their lives on the line? Certainly, the President gets the credit for making the decision but "all the credit?" No way. Well stated, Stu. There are any number of unsung people who busted their asses to make it happen. CIA analysts live in a world of no gratitude while they go about the business of protecting this country. =Bob |
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Post by The Great Aztec Joe on May 6, 2011 16:43:56 GMT -8
Here's a good account of what it took to get Bin Laden. Also of how LONG it took to get him. Translation: This goes back to efforts begun under President Bush. I think it's unfortunate, though sadly predictable, that Obama did not make that clear in his address. Don't misunderstand; I think his address to the nation was good. On the other hand, there was just a bit too much "I" in that address. One who did not know better might have thought that the whole thing started on BHO's watch. But then, this is Barack Obama. www.cnn.com/2011/OPINION/05/02/borger.ksm.bin.laden/index.htmlAzWm Hmm. I seem to remember that Bill Clinton ordered strikes against bin Laden in 1998. However, conservatives were so upset about that. After all it, was distracting from their impeachment of Clinton. That was way more important than national security. Have you forgotten that Richard Clark tried to get the attention of the Bush administration about the danger of bin Laden but was ignored by them? But then, this is AztecWilliam posting. Shoot, I would not be suprised if he had not plucked out his left eye. Being left it offended him. That impeachment of a man for getting a blow job was the most ridiculous thing ever seen in politics. The people who were behind that nonsense had to be the worst lowlifes ever in American politics. The entire action was beneath contemp. Then when Clinton took military action the so called conservatives attacked him for trying to get Bin Ladin and his criminal gang and told the American people it was the tail wagging the dog. The Republican Party has become the most morally and ethically corrupt political party in world history. Shame! Only Shame attends it. |
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Post by Bob Forsythe on May 6, 2011 16:44:14 GMT -8
Let's face it, Pooh, you'd say anything if you thought it would make one of the more brain-dead Republican Presidents this country has ever see look good. God, when I think of the great Republicans this country has seen, from Lincoln to TDR to Henry Cabot Lodge (and yeah, Goldwater as well), it really disgusts me what you right-wing clowns are willing to settle for. =Bob Brain dead is not exactly how I would describe President Bush, but he was not exactly a Reagan. It just galls you lefties to know that Bush was head and shoulders smarter and accomplished more than Obama, Clinton or anything that Kerry or Algore could have done. Face it, you can't get good men to run for the Republican nomination and there are no good men on the Democrat side. Yawn. "head and shoulders"? Don't think so. How does feel Pooh - trying to defend an idiot simply because he ran on your party standard? I mean really, those of us on the left rejected LBJ when it became clear that despite all the advances he made in civil rights he was unwilling to dis-engage in Vietnam. I'm sorry, but you really don't have much of a clue. You should, given you level of intelligence, but you always allow your right-wing ideology to get in the way of rational thought. In short, you really don't understand the definition of "moderate" and that lack of understanding is what's leading to the death of your party. =Bob |
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Have you forgotten that Richard Clark tried to get the attention of the Bush administration about the danger of bin Laden but was ignored by them? 
