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Post by aztecbruce on Jul 23, 2011 21:50:57 GMT -8
The problem people have with HOA's is that the VAST majority of buyers don't read the CC&R's prior to closing. They usually skim it at best. Then when a so called problem comes up they bitch and moan. When I was on the board I always told a homeowner to go home and read the rules and regs then come back. In 12 years only one came back, and he wanted to see about amending a provision in the CC&R's. If anyone can't handle living in an HOA, don't buy into one. Geez..... Amen to that. We've got 3 newbies living in a cul de sac near my place. All 3 of them have had some construction recently and ALL of them have taken their construction past the 5:30PM limit to construction noise. First I blame the managment company and committee for not making it clear what the rules are as it relates to home improvements and the homeowner for NOT reading the freaking rule book. It's only about 30 pages at most and pretty damn clear. |
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Post by aztecbruce on Jul 23, 2011 21:53:32 GMT -8
Our HOA has that kind of rule. I don't think many folks have all that much problem with it. I do notice several commercial vehicles parked outside our Community Entrance gate and that is both not secure and is also almost as unsightly. For me, the biggest complaint we hear at HOA meetings is the vague nature of notices that homeowners get. Those who serve have a tough job, but they should give the effort to be clear about what they want homeowners to do. We've got that kind of rule too. It's simple...read the damn rules. If it says no commercial vehicles parked overnight in site 1/ park it in your garage 2/ cover or remove the signage 3/ park it off the premise it has nothing to do with being self-employed. I'm self-employed and I don't have signage on any vehicle. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 25, 2011 12:21:12 GMT -8
No, I get it...and when he bought in he should have read the rules. No problem with that. I just think it's completely lame that you can't park YOUR commercial vehicle, in YOUR driveway.
I live in an HOA now, and I haven't had a problem with the board at all.
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Post by aztecbruce on Jul 25, 2011 21:56:19 GMT -8
No, I get it...and when he bought in he should have read the rules. No problem with that. I just think it's completely lame that you can't park YOUR commercial vehicle, in YOUR driveway. I live in an HOA now, and I haven't had a problem with the board at all. It's really not that complicated JOSH. I know most things are to you but let's try this. Just because it's your condo/house, can you paint the exterior any color you want to? Probably not, because there are rules and approved color combos that you can use. Otherwise, you can't without approval. Just because it's your house can you remodel and put in windows or a deck without permission? I doubt that too. Not difficult josh. It's really not. Try to not burn your brain cells trying to figure it out. |
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Post by aztecbruce on Jul 25, 2011 21:58:35 GMT -8
A long-time friend of mine mentioned that he's on the Board where he lives. He seemed frustrated when he said you just can't please everybody. I said "Bingo"... That's the most important thing to realize when you're on the board. Just go by the rules. It's black and white and equal for everybody. That simplifies the job and will please most of the people when they realize what you're doing. Don't try to please everybody because it's impossible. PERIOD
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Post by Deleted on Jul 26, 2011 7:28:00 GMT -8
No, I get it...and when he bought in he should have read the rules. No problem with that. I just think it's completely lame that you can't park YOUR commercial vehicle, in YOUR driveway. I live in an HOA now, and I haven't had a problem with the board at all. It's really not that complicated JOSH. I know most things are to you but let's try this. Just because it's your condo/house, can you paint the exterior any color you want to? Probably not, because there are rules and approved color combos that you can use. Otherwise, you can't without approval. Just because it's your house can you remodel and put in windows or a deck without permission? I doubt that too. Not difficult josh. It's really not. Try to not burn your brain cells trying to figure it out. Sigh..it's so hard speaking intelligently with someone of your IQ, but I'll do my best. I would AGREE with you on the deck.....the painting, etc. Other things of that nature. And again, it's nothing I am overly worked up about. I wasn't arguing that the gentleman broke the rule. He did. I was saying that I personally feel it's lame that if I have an F-150 that says "Jones Construction" on the side, It can't be in my private driveway. That's all. It doesn't make me right or wrong, it's my take. Everything is not so black and white in an argument (though the HOA rules are, so the guy WAS in violation). Even someone of your limited intelligence can get that. |
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Post by aztecbruce on Jul 26, 2011 9:32:48 GMT -8
It's really not that complicated JOSH. I know most things are to you but let's try this. Just because it's your condo/house, can you paint the exterior any color you want to? Probably not, because there are rules and approved color combos that you can use. Otherwise, you can't without approval. Just because it's your house can you remodel and put in windows or a deck without permission? I doubt that too. Not difficult josh. It's really not. Try to not burn your brain cells trying to figure it out. Sigh..it's so hard speaking intelligently with someone of your IQ, but I'll do my best. I would AGREE with you on the deck.....the painting, etc. Other things of that nature. And again, it's nothing I am overly worked up about. I wasn't arguing that the gentleman broke the rule. He did. I was saying that I personally feel it's lame that if I have an F-150 that says "Jones Construction" on the side, It can't be in my private driveway. That's all. It doesn't make me right or wrong, it's my take. Everything is not so black and white in an argument (though the HOA rules are, so the guy WAS in violation). Even someone of your limited intelligence can get that. If it's outside then it's not private. WTF don't you get about that in a HOA? The HOA/Board controls plants, outside colors, everything... Do you ever use your f'ing brain? I know....what brain...... it was fried along time ago. Even the inside of your residence is the HOAs business. I bet if you read the CC&Rs you'll find that they have the right to enter your residence if need be. Noise is another aspect. They control that as well. I know Josh....you've never read the CC&Rs, the California Civil Codes and the Rules & Regs of wherever you live. It is black and white and that's the way boards need to rule. It's really not that complicated... Boards need to: 1/ Read the Rules 2/ Know the rules 3/ Abide by the Rules 4/ Enforce the rules 5/ Change stupid rules if the majority wants that. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 26, 2011 10:15:41 GMT -8
You're correct, they can do all that. What's your point? Was I railing against HOAs (I live in one dumbass), or merely pointing out one policy I thought was dumb in spirit?
Get it right. 40 years of drinking too much has fried YOUR brain, bud.
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Post by Bob Forsythe on Jul 28, 2011 16:23:53 GMT -8
Sigh..it's so hard speaking intelligently with someone of your IQ, but I'll do my best. I would AGREE with you on the deck.....the painting, etc. Other things of that nature. And again, it's nothing I am overly worked up about. I wasn't arguing that the gentleman broke the rule. He did. I was saying that I personally feel it's lame that if I have an F-150 that says "Jones Construction" on the side, It can't be in my private driveway. That's all. It doesn't make me right or wrong, it's my take. Everything is not so black and white in an argument (though the HOA rules are, so the guy WAS in violation). Even someone of your limited intelligence can get that. If it's outside then it's not private. WTF don't you get about that in a HOA? The HOA/Board controls plants, outside colors, everything... Do you ever use your f'ing brain? I know....what brain...... it was fried along time ago. Even the inside of your residence is the HOAs business. I bet if you read the CC&Rs you'll find that they have the right to enter your residence if need be. Noise is another aspect. They control that as well. I know Josh....you've never read the CC&Rs, the California Civil Codes and the Rules & Regs of wherever you live. It is black and white and that's the way boards need to rule. It's really not that complicated... Boards need to: 1/ Read the Rules 2/ Know the rules 3/ Abide by the Rules 4/ Enforce the rules 5/ Change stupid rules if the majority wants that. More reasons I'd never live in a community ruled by an HOA. =Bob |
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Post by aztecbruce on Sept 27, 2011 17:31:27 GMT -8
Bruce is correct. It's often hard to get owners to serve on a board. Therefore you do not get good people, perhaps just those who have some private reason for wanting to serve. The other side of the issue is that perfectly reasonable HOA rules are frequently broken by tenants/owners who do act responsibly. Example: residents who give the gate combo to outsiders, which is a serious security risk. It can be a mess either way. AzWm Depends on where it is. Candidates at San Diego Country Estates use campaign signs when they run and there is never a shortage of candidates. =Bob duh We have a hard time filling our 5 spots. To be the Prez, you have to be retired to have the time to handle all the stuff. Other spots, not so much. |
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Post by JOCAZTEC on Sept 28, 2011 7:11:33 GMT -8
I guess you have to also talk about normal freedom away from a HOA. The case I can't remember that well, but it was in a regular neighborhood built in about the 1975s era. A young couple with seven kids and two sets of grandparents moved into a bungalow in Huntington Beach. The bungalow had two bedrooms, no garage and no driveway. You parked on the street. This couple wanted to customize their house and someone they knew, not a professional painter, painted their outside, a stark pink. No other house on the block had such a significant paint job. The paint job was done by a hack and within a month, it looked bad and only worsened. After a year all the neighbors had gathered and filed a lawsuit, with an attorney, to demand fair values within the neighborhood be restored because they felt that one house made no one want to live on the block. They hired experts and proved with experts that anyone who may want to pay the price of the homes values at the time, would not and would pay only half.
Guess who won?
Then, guess what has happened to the block?
HAM
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Post by Bob Forsythe on Sept 28, 2011 17:50:04 GMT -8
I guess you have to also talk about normal freedom away from a HOA. The case I can't remember that well, but it was in a regular neighborhood built in about the 1975s era. A young couple with seven kids and two sets of grandparents moved into a bungalow in Huntington Beach. The bungalow had two bedrooms, no garage and no driveway. You parked on the street. This couple wanted to customize their house and someone the knew, not a professional painter, painted their outside, a stark pink. No other house on the block had such a significant paint job. The painting job was done by a hack and within a month, it looked bad and only worsened. After a year all the neighbors had gathered and filed a lawsuit, with an attorney, to demand fair values within the neighborhood be restored because they felt that one house made no one want to live on the block. They hired experts and proved with experts that anyone who may want to pay the price of the homes values at the time, would not and would pay only half. Guess who won? Then, guess what has happened to the block? HAM Well, off hand, I'd guess that some minority group you hate moved in. But that aside, the property value argument argument is bogus (by everyone, not just you). When I took real estate classes back in the '70s - yes Bruce, I had a real estate license back then - there was a mantra that was true then and is still true - you don't buy the best house on a bad block, you buy the worst house on a good block. It's total nonsense that one eccentric on a block drives down property values. If someone likes the house you're selling they will pay what you're asking if it's a good block that happens to have one weird house painted in weird colors, or has a brown front yard or... Our house was in really bad shape when we bought it because the previous owners bought it in 1937 and got too old to take care of it (and the family got to sell it "as is" because it was a probate sale). But it's a 1200 square foot house on a 6K square foot lot on a block of 900 SF houses on 3K SF lots. We got it cheap because it was undervalued due to the previous owners being too old to do anything with it the last decade of their lives. The point being that a smart buyer looks for opportunities instead of looking for an HOA to "protect" their property value while dictating everything they can do with their property. =Bob |
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Post by aztecbruce on Sept 29, 2011 21:49:28 GMT -8
I guess you have to also talk about normal freedom away from a HOA. The case I can't remember that well, but it was in a regular neighborhood built in about the 1975s era. A young couple with seven kids and two sets of grandparents moved into a bungalow in Huntington Beach. The bungalow had two bedrooms, no garage and no driveway. You parked on the street. This couple wanted to customize their house and someone the knew, not a professional painter, painted their outside, a stark pink. No other house on the block had such a significant paint job. The painting job was done by a hack and within a month, it looked bad and only worsened. After a year all the neighbors had gathered and filed a lawsuit, with an attorney, to demand fair values within the neighborhood be restored because they felt that one house made no one want to live on the block. They hired experts and proved with experts that anyone who may want to pay the price of the homes values at the time, would not and would pay only half. Guess who won? Then, guess what has happened to the block? HAM Well, off hand, I'd guess that some minority group you hate moved in. But that aside, the property value argument argument is bogus (by everyone, not just you). When I took real estate classes back in the '70s - yes Bruce, I had a real estate license back then - there was a mantra that was true then and is still true - you don't buy the best house on a bad block, you buy the worst house on a good block. It's total nonsense that one eccentric on a block drives down property values. If someone likes the house you're selling they will pay what you're asking if it's a good block that happens to have one weird house painted in weird colors, or has a brown front yard or... Our house was in really bad shape when we bought it because the previous owners bought it in 1937 and got too old to take care of it (and the family got to sell it "as is" because it was a probate sale). But it's a 1200 square foot house on a 6K square foot lot on a block of 900 SF houses on 3K SF lots. We got it cheap because it was undervalued due to the previous owners being too old to do anything with it the last decade of their lives. The point being that a smart buyer looks for opportunities instead of looking for an HOA to "protect" their property value while dictating everything they can do with their property. =Bob That's why you are allowed to grow weeds and empty Tecate cans while we have to have our yards at least somewhat neat. |
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Post by Bob Forsythe on Sept 30, 2011 17:26:46 GMT -8
Amen to that. We've got 3 newbies living in a cul de sac near my place. All 3 of them have had some construction recently and ALL of them have taken their construction past the 5:30PM limit to construction noise. First I blame the managment company and committee for not making it clear what the rules are as it relates to home improvements and the homeowner for NOT reading the freaking rule book. It's only about 30 pages at most and pretty damn clear. That rule I would have no problem with outside the fact that I find rules regarding homes egregious. But they decided to buy there and if there are rules in place it's their job to do the homework. I agree completely with you that if you don't want to follow the rules you shouldn't live in a community that has rules, which is why I live in an old house in an old neighborhood. =Bob |
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Post by Bob Forsythe on Sept 30, 2011 17:37:04 GMT -8
Our HOA has that kind of rule. I don't think many folks have all that much problem with it. I do notice several commercial vehicles parked outside our Community Entrance gate and that is both not secure and is also almost as unsightly. For me, the biggest complaint we hear at HOA meetings is the vague nature of notices that homeowners get. Those who serve have a tough job, but they should give the effort to be clear about what they want homeowners to do. We've got that kind of rule too. It's simple...read the damn rules. If it says no commercial vehicles parked overnight in site 1/ park it in your garage 2/ cover or remove the signage 3/ park it off the premise it has nothing to do with being self-employed. I'm self-employed and I don't have signage on any vehicle. I'm not a big fan of Rule #2 because most jurisdictions do not consider advertising on vehicles that are mostly used for work purposes to be defined as "signs" which brings up the question signs equating to "speech" as it's defined under the 1st Amendment. But HOAs are governments on their own so if you decide to live in a community run by an HOA, you do so at your own risk. Personally I cannot think of much of anything more odious than some committee telling me what to do with my house, yard and whether I can have a clothesline in my back yard. But I suppose there are people who love rules, love being frightened that a clothesline will make their neighborhood look "working class" and thereby somehow lower their property values. If someone wants to live in that sort of gated culture, more power to them - I just don't care to ever allow someone to have that much power over my life. =Bob |
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Post by JOCAZTEC on Oct 1, 2011 7:40:39 GMT -8
No, I get it...and when he bought in he should have read the rules. No problem with that. I just think it's completely lame that you can't park YOUR commercial vehicle, in YOUR driveway. I live in an HOA now, and I haven't had a problem with the board at all. First of all, you agreed to the rules when you bought the place. Secondly, if you are not having problems with the Board now, it'd be a good thing to talk to the Board, attend meetings, get to know them, and talk about all the rules and what is going on with the neighborhood. Don't wait until you find out you've broken some rule you don't thing makes sense and then get into a scrape with a Board member. Lastly, you should be a Board member once at least every five or seven years depending upon the size of your association. Getting along helps later when you do something wrong. HAM |
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Post by Bob Forsythe on Oct 2, 2011 17:09:24 GMT -8
No, I get it...and when he bought in he should have read the rules. No problem with that. I just think it's completely lame that you can't park YOUR commercial vehicle, in YOUR driveway. I live in an HOA now, and I haven't had a problem with the board at all. First of all, you agreed to the rules when you bought the place. Secondly, if you are not having problems with the Board now, it'd be a good thing to talk to the Board, attend meetings, get to know them, and talk about all the rules and what is going on with the neighborhood. Don't wait until you find out you've broken some rule you don't thing makes sense and then get into a scrape with a Board member. Lastly, you should be a Board member once at least every five or seven years depending upon the size of your association. Getting along helps later when you do something wrong. HAM IOW, Josh, go along to get along. For some reason I suspect it's no more within your character than it is within mine. =Bob |
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Post by aztecbruce on Oct 10, 2011 10:53:02 GMT -8
We've got that kind of rule too. It's simple...read the damn rules. If it says no commercial vehicles parked overnight in site 1/ park it in your garage 2/ cover or remove the signage 3/ park it off the premise it has nothing to do with being self-employed. I'm self-employed and I don't have signage on any vehicle. I'm not a big fan of Rule #2 because most jurisdictions do not consider advertising on vehicles that are mostly used for work purposes to be defined as "signs" which brings up the question signs equating to "speech" as it's defined under the 1st Amendment. But HOAs are governments on their own so if you decide to live in a community run by an HOA, you do so at your own risk. Personally I cannot think of much of anything more odious than some committee telling me what to do with my house, yard and whether I can have a clothesline in my back yard. But I suppose there are people who love rules, love being frightened that a clothesline will make their neighborhood look "working class" and thereby somehow lower their property values. If someone wants to live in that sort of gated culture, more power to them - I just don't care to ever allow someone to have that much power over my life. =Bob Signage =s Commercial Vehicle. Some neighbor around the corner decided on their own that 2 friends could sleep overnight in a big RV on the property. Amazing how some act like little kids trying to break all the rules until they get caught. They got caught and are getting fined. |
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Post by Bob Forsythe on Oct 17, 2011 17:45:11 GMT -8
I'm not a big fan of Rule #2 because most jurisdictions do not consider advertising on vehicles that are mostly used for work purposes to be defined as "signs" which brings up the question signs equating to "speech" as it's defined under the 1st Amendment. But HOAs are governments on their own so if you decide to live in a community run by an HOA, you do so at your own risk. Personally I cannot think of much of anything more odious than some committee telling me what to do with my house, yard and whether I can have a clothesline in my back yard. But I suppose there are people who love rules, love being frightened that a clothesline will make their neighborhood look "working class" and thereby somehow lower their property values. If someone wants to live in that sort of gated culture, more power to them - I just don't care to ever allow someone to have that much power over my life. =Bob Signage =s Commercial Vehicle. So what? What is so egregious about having a sign on your car or truck? Oh wait, I know - it's because if you have a sign on your car it suggests your self-employed and therefore not meeting the income standards the HOA wants the community to project. It suggests there are working class people living there, God forbid. It's bogus, Bruce. I really do understand the problems HOA board members face, but why make the job so much harder with all the stupid rules? =Bob |
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Post by aztecbruce on Oct 18, 2011 12:58:23 GMT -8
Signage =s Commercial Vehicle. So what? What is so egregious about having a sign on your car or truck? Oh wait, I know - it's because if you have a sign on your car it suggests your self-employed and therefore not meeting the income standards the HOA wants the community to project. It suggests there are working class people living there, God forbid. It's bogus, Bruce. I really do understand the problems HOA board members face, but why make the job so much harder with all the stupid rules? =Bob How do you choose to write so much crapola? I answered the question above. It has nothing to do with the class of people. Signage =s Commercial. That's against the rules so deal with it. |
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