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Post by Deleted on Jun 26, 2010 15:02:16 GMT -8
This article has been getting considerable play on the conference board and well it should: www.deseretnews.com/mobile/article/700043408/Athletic-director-Tom-Holmoe-says-BYU-athletics-has-bright-future.htmlAs one of the more objective BYU posters put it there, Holmoe has understandably been getting major heat from boosters about their arch rival going to an AQ conference in 2011 while BYU remains behind in the MWC. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out that there's a lot more chance of BYU remaining in the Mountain West if the conference also gains AQ status. And make no mistake. Although the Borg undoubtedly doesn't want to go independent, if the MWC continues to fail to obtain AQ status, BYU really has little to lose and potentially much to gain from going that route. Reading between the lines, it sure seems as though Holmoe is considering the possibility if the MWC continues to fail to become an AQ conference. At a minimum, if BYU were to leave, the conference's TV network which is barely financially solvent is going to be in deep poop. From a worst case scenario, if BYU were to leave, the conference could become little more than a less populated version of the unsatisfactory one from which it sprang. And it's not an exaggeration to say that there isn't any single more important factor upon which AQ status hinges than whether SDSU football gets good again or remains the inept mess that it was in the 00's. Yes, as another poster put it a couple weeks ago, we're on the clock, folks. |
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Post by monty on Jun 26, 2010 15:18:40 GMT -8
On the clocks to take control and direction of the conference.
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Post by choop on Jun 26, 2010 16:32:39 GMT -8
The only way you can discard teams from a conference is to leave them behind. Any merger between the Big 12 and the MWC would really be 6 teams leaving the MWC for the Big 12. That would probably call for CSU, WYO and AFA to be left behind. Adding TCU, BYU and Boise State would help football, and SDSU, UNLV and UNM along with BYU would make the Big12 an even bigger basketball power. Except for Boise, the other 5 MWC teams bring decent sized TV markets.
The Big 12, the conference that was almost dead a month ago, could become the first 16 team Super Conference. It would destroy the MWC, keep the WAC irrelavent, and make inroads into PAC 10 territory for recruiting purposes.
Thats a pretty powerful football and basketball conference. It could easily put 6-9 teams in the NCAA tourney every year. Also own one third of the top-25.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 26, 2010 16:40:29 GMT -8
The only way you can discard teams from a conference is to leave them behind. Any merger between the Big 12 and the MWC would really be 6 teams leaving the MWC for the Big 12. That would probably call for CSU, WYO and AFA to be left behind. Don't look now but the scuttlebutt from most of the pundits who have pontificated on it is that if the Big 12-2 decides to go back to 12, the most likely candidates to be offered are BYU and AFA. And BTW, that makes sense to me since they not only fit geographically, it's all about potential TV revenue and football quality and since those are the only two MWC schools which have a national following, they figure to help the Big 12's TV ratings more than anybody. |
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Post by RiffelBooks on Jun 26, 2010 16:41:28 GMT -8
I don't see this as being much different from what Weber and Sterk have been saying. The "doors are opening" comment is interesting, but I would bet you that every AD/pres in the conference would say the same thing right now. That it comes from BYU just gets more attention, for good reason.
This realignment process will take several years, I think. Those with patience might come out ahead.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 26, 2010 16:49:15 GMT -8
I don't see this as being much different from what Weber and Sterk have been saying. The "doors are opening" comment is interesting, but I would bet you that every AD/pres in the conference would say the same thing right now. That it comes from BYU just gets more attention, for good reason. This realignment process will take several years, I think. Those with patience might come out ahead. Well, no representative of SDSU could talk about going independent, at least not rationally. As to your final comments, from what I've read, the Big 12-2's new TV deal is for a whopping 10 years. It's been said that will lock them out of expansion for that long. Although I'm not sure that can be said as fact, I agree with you that it's clear the Big 12-2 won't be expanding for "several years" anyway. I'm unsure what you mean by "patience" but I think that with BYU not being invited by the Big 12-2 during that time and Boise having agreed to come to the MWC despite Utah leaving (there was some concern about it) that SDSU has been given time to get its football house in order. Thank gawd we didn't wait any Longer to find a competent head football coach. |
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Post by Fishn'Aztec on Jun 26, 2010 16:57:48 GMT -8
I don't see this as being much different from what Weber and Sterk have been saying. The "doors are opening" comment is interesting, but I would bet you that every AD/pres in the conference would say the same thing right now. That it comes from BYU just gets more attention, for good reason. This realignment process will take several years, I think. Those with patience might come out ahead. Well, no representative of SDSU could talk about going independent, at least not rationally. As to your final comments, from what I've read, the Big 12-2's new TV deal is for a whopping 10 years. It's been said that will lock them out of expansion for that long. Although I'm not sure that can be said as fact, I agree with you that it's clear the Big 12-2 won't be expanding for "several years" anyway. I'm unsure what you mean by "patience" but I think that with BYU not being invited by the Big 12-2 during that time and Boise having agreed to come to the MWC despite Utah leaving (there was some concern about it) that SDSU has been given time to get its football house in order. Thank gawd we didn't wait any Longer to find a competent head football coach. Unfortunately the Big12-2 is dominated by the 500 lb. gorilla Tejas. Something tells me the new kids on the block will be more like red headed stepchildren living off the scraps of Tejas & Okie-homa! Just a thought! |
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Post by RiffelBooks on Jun 26, 2010 16:58:26 GMT -8
True on your last comment, SGF. I wouldn't get too bogged down on the lengths of contracts, because they are often amended/bought out, etc. You think their TV rights holders wouldn't love to get into the San Diego and Las Vegas markets when all they have right now is corn and praire dogs? They'd be more than happy to accommodate.
By patience, I mean I still think things are going to shake out, there could still be anti-trust challenges to the BCS, lawsuits among schools and conferences and what is to me the biggest possibility, that the Big 12-2 can't deliver on its promises to the remaining schools.
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Post by tuff on Jun 26, 2010 17:01:26 GMT -8
I put all this on the enept Thompson. The only way we keep the conference and it's members strong is AQ. Instead of focusing on some mickey mouse tv network, he should have gone 110% toward getting our conference in the BCS. We will lose BYU and TCU if he doesn't get this resolved this year.
As far as SDSU football goes, it will get better. But it sure as hell won't get to a national power if there are no butts in the stands. When the players say they would rather play in front of a large crowd at the OPPONENTS stadium, it tells me what a loser sports town San Diego is. These kids roll in and out of here every three to four years. The first time many of them ever play in Qualcomm and they look up in the stands. Well, I wouldn't put out either.
Wanna do your part San diego. Forget about the past and Get your ass in the seats prior to kickoff
and support the kids. And support Coach Hoke. You are the problem.
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Post by scorpio on Jun 26, 2010 17:05:33 GMT -8
It just gets so old seeing so many self appointed soothsayers
running around wearing sandwich boards at say "perpent, the end is near". There are a few posters here that are either in need of Prozac or just like setting around pulling the wings off of flies.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 26, 2010 17:10:53 GMT -8
True on your last comment, SGF. I wouldn't get too bogged down on the lengths of contracts, because they are often amended/bought out, etc. You think their TV rights holders wouldn't love to get into the San Diego and Las Vegas markets when all they have right now is corn and praire dogs? They'd be more than happy to accommodate. By patience, I mean I still think things are going to shake out, there could still be anti-trust challenges to the BCS On your first point, it's a positive that UNLV has finally replaced "Fred" Sanford with a good head coach. However, it still doesn't look to me like anybody there gives a rat's ass about football. If you check their message board, even this time of year there are always four or five times more fans on the basketball portion than the football part. (They still think they're the toast of the conference in that sport even though Fish has beaten them five out of the last seven.) I really hope that with Boise leaving the WAC that Fresno will step up and dominate. There are far more quality HS football players in California's central valley than in Vegas and just as many TV sets. So I'm not sure Fresno State wouldn't be a better partner with SDSU if the Big 12-2 might come looking for expansion possibilities than would UNLV. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 26, 2010 17:12:43 GMT -8
It just gets so old seeing so many self appointed soothsayers running around wearing sandwich boards at say "perpent, the end is near". There are a few posters here that are either in need of Prozac or just like setting around pulling the wings off of flies. "Perpent?" And you think it's ME who could use medication?    |
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Post by AztecTom on Jun 26, 2010 17:40:26 GMT -8
Who gives a f#ck what a stupid by-who AD says!
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Post by ron on Jun 26, 2010 17:57:51 GMT -8
Man, wouldn't it be just SDSU's luck to get FB turned around just in time to have the MWC crumble beneath it's feet. Well, just control what you can and go out and win some damn football games. Hopefully, the rest will take care of itself.
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Post by Village Aztec on Jun 26, 2010 17:58:11 GMT -8
So the only replacement for BYU is Fresno. Who else at a big TV market.
I see us in the big 12, but I think expansion will cause Congress to disband the BCS.
Too many teams in BCS leagues will get hurt.
Just imagine being thrown out of the BCS. Now you have proof of the loss of revenue.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 26, 2010 18:23:20 GMT -8
Who gives a f#ck what a stupid by-who AD says! SDSU should Tom. As I said, if they leave the MWC, The Mtn. network, from which SDSU receives a much needed $1.2M per year, will be in deep trouble. |
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Post by laaztec on Jun 26, 2010 18:42:28 GMT -8
BYU has nowhere to go. The Big 12 if they expand will go after Notre Dame and Arkansas. Also the Big 10 Presidents said this weekend that they are happy at 12 and don't want to go to 14 or 16 so I think Expansion is done for awhile.
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Post by nebraztec on Jun 26, 2010 19:28:25 GMT -8
You didn't think the Mormons would stand around and let Utah get the best of them, do you?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 26, 2010 20:05:59 GMT -8
BYU has nowhere to go. The Big 12 if they expand will go after Notre Dame and Arkansas. Also the Big 10 Presidents said this weekend that they are happy at 12 and don't want to go to 14 or 16 so I think Expansion is done for awhile. To repeat, the Big 12-2 won't be expanding for several years. But Notre Dame? Come on, they won't even bother. |
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Post by laaztec on Jun 26, 2010 20:23:52 GMT -8
BYU has nowhere to go. The Big 12 if they expand will go after Notre Dame and Arkansas. Also the Big 10 Presidents said this weekend that they are happy at 12 and don't want to go to 14 or 16 so I think Expansion is done for awhile. To repeat, the Big 12-2 won't be expanding for several years. But Notre Dame? Come on, they won't even bother. The Big 12 is targeting them. Will it happen? Not sure. If they decide to join a conference they could play the Big 10 against the Big 12. Either way I think expansion is on hold for a couple of years and that gives SDSU time to get their act together. SDSU football needs to be a good football program when the next round of expansion starts. We have been saying that Coach Craft/Long/Hoke could be the last SDSU football coach, well if Hoke doesn't get SDSU going he could really be the last one. Good news is he probably has 3 to 5 more years to get it going. Bad news is if he can't do it we could be in trouble. |
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