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Libya
Mar 20, 2011 16:32:32 GMT -8
Post by davdesid on Mar 20, 2011 16:32:32 GMT -8
>>>This time, our actions were supported by both the other Arab nations...<<<YoYo tinyurl.com/4srg4gdKeep tryin'. |
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Libya
Mar 20, 2011 17:07:30 GMT -8
Post by aztec79 on Mar 20, 2011 17:07:30 GMT -8
No, it is a way of saying that working with our allies is in our best interests while going "rogue cowboy" is not. Obama recognizes that while Bush did not. Besides, how exactly did taking out SAM sites further "our own best interest"? Yoda out... Waiting for a permission slip from the UN and France rather than act when it would have done the Rebels some real good is just another "dither". I did not see the order of battle, but would it be safe to assume that taking out the SAM sites allowed the French to safely fly over at 30K feet?  taking out the SAM's (I believe Libya has mostly the older soviet SA-5's) would allow slower reconnaisance/surveillance type aircraft to operate safely. The SA-5 can also be jammed and has very limited value against higher performance aircraft. |
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Mar 20, 2011 18:38:03 GMT -8
Post by Yoda on Mar 20, 2011 18:38:03 GMT -8
This time, our actions were supported by both the other Arab nations...<<<YoYo tinyurl.com/4srg4gdKeep tryin'. The Arab League specifically requested that a no-fly zone be set up. The idea would never have made it to the UN without that request. Yoda out... |
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Libya
Mar 21, 2011 9:21:06 GMT -8
Post by aztecwin on Mar 21, 2011 9:21:06 GMT -8
Just what is our goal in Libya? On what authority did we go in? Who has the lead in this effort? Who are these Rebels?
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Libya
Mar 21, 2011 12:56:21 GMT -8
Post by davdesid on Mar 21, 2011 12:56:21 GMT -8
This time, our actions were supported by both the other Arab nations...<<<YoYo tinyurl.com/4srg4gdKeep tryin'. The Arab League specifically requested that a no-fly zone be set up. The idea would never have made it to the UN without that request. Yoda out... Since when does the Arab League and the UN supercede the US Congress? N.B. - I support the action the President has taken, at least so far, but I think he should have consulted with Congress first. You know.... like Booosh did? And he should have done that 2-3 weeks ago. Maybe NCAA bracket picks took priority. |
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Libya
Mar 21, 2011 14:08:44 GMT -8
Post by Yoda on Mar 21, 2011 14:08:44 GMT -8
The Arab League specifically requested that a no-fly zone be set up. The idea would never have made it to the UN without that request. Yoda out... Since when does the Arab League and the UN supercede the US Congress? N.B. - I support the action the President has taken, at least so far, but I think he should have consulted with Congress first. You know.... like Booosh did? And he should have done that 2-3 weeks ago. Maybe NCAA bracket picks took priority. Read what you quoted. I was responding to your assertion that the action did not have the support of the Arabs. Congressional authorization is an entirely different issue and, as you might have guessed from a prior post, we might be on the same page on that issue. Yoda out... |
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Libya
Mar 21, 2011 14:56:07 GMT -8
Post by davdesid on Mar 21, 2011 14:56:07 GMT -8
Since when does the Arab League and the UN supercede the US Congress? N.B. - I support the action the President has taken, at least so far, but I think he should have consulted with Congress first. You know.... like Booosh did? And he should have done that 2-3 weeks ago. Maybe NCAA bracket picks took priority. Read what you quoted. I was responding to your assertion that the action did not have the support of the Arabs. Congressional authorization is an entirely different issue and, as you might have guessed from a prior post, we might be on the same page on that issue. Yoda out... I made no such assertion. I posted a report that said the Arabs are going a bit wobbly. tinyurl.com/48cpvryNow then, as things develop, we have a number of Democrats calling for impeachment... the usual suspects like Kucinich, Barbara Lee, Sheila Jackson ("can the Mars rover go over to where the astronauts planted the flag?")Lee, and a few others. Nader and fatass Moore want Obama impeached, too. At least they are consistent. Ineviwazwhatever is consistent, but you seem to be waffling with the "Booosh bad, not sure about O-bomb-a" slapstick. But just so we understand each other, I support the effort to get rid of a bloodthirsty tyrant in Libya.... just as I supported getting rid of a bloodthirsty tyrant in Iraq. May I assume that you are not sure about getting rid of the former and you opposed getting rid of the latter? I'd like to see 'daffy pulled out of a spider hole and hanged. |
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Libya
Mar 21, 2011 16:39:10 GMT -8
Post by Yoda on Mar 21, 2011 16:39:10 GMT -8
I made no such assertion. I posted a report that said the Arabs are going a bit wobbly. tinyurl.com/48cpvryNow then, as things develop, we have a number of Democrats calling for impeachment... the usual suspects like Kucinich, Barbara Lee, Sheila Jackson ("can the Mars rover go over to where the astronauts planted the flag?")Lee, and a few others. Nader and fatass Moore want Obama impeached, too. At least they are consistent. Ineviwazwhatever is consistent, but you seem to be waffling with the "Booosh bad, not sure about O-bomb-a" slapstick. But just so we understand each other, I support the effort to get rid of a bloodthirsty tyrant in Libya.... just as I supported getting rid of a bloodthirsty tyrant in Iraq. May I assume that you are not sure about getting rid of the former and you opposed getting rid of the latter? I'd like to see 'daffy pulled out of a spider hole and hanged. I hadn't seen any calls for impeachment but Democratic Senator and former Secretary of the Navy Jim Webb sure is not happy. firstread.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2011/03/21/6314520-webb-this-isnt-the-way-our-system-is-supposed-to-workDid a little searching, thank you, and the argument is that the bombing is unconstitutional. So does that make you a liberal Democrat? I mean wasn't it you who was posting the Obama quote? Yoda out... |
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Libya
Mar 21, 2011 16:58:46 GMT -8
Post by davdesid on Mar 21, 2011 16:58:46 GMT -8
>>I hadn't seen any calls for impeachment...<<<YoYo www.politico.com/news/stories/0311/51595.htmlYou should get out a little bit more. At least get out beyond PMSNBC and spunk-mouth Chrissy "it's runnin' down my leg" Halfathews. |
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Libya
Mar 22, 2011 8:17:54 GMT -8
Post by AlwaysAnAztec on Mar 22, 2011 8:17:54 GMT -8
>>I hadn't seen any calls for impeachment...<<<YoYo www.politico.com/news/stories/0311/51595.htmlYou should get out a little bit more. At least get out beyond PMSNBC and spunk-mouth Chrissy "it's runnin' down my leg" Halfathews. And you might actually want to watch MSNBC before you spout off. Kucinich was interviewed on MSNBC where he said he was going to introduce an amendment to (some bill) which would cut funding for Libya. He also restated his opinion that what the President did was an impeachable offense. MSNBC also interviewed a number of Republicans regarding the Libyan operation. While defiantly left leaning, MSNBC does try and present both sides of the political divide whereas FOX does not. The President acted legally in accordance with the War Powers Act. He dutifully notified Congress within 48 hours as is specified. |
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Libya
Mar 22, 2011 12:31:59 GMT -8
Post by davdesid on Mar 22, 2011 12:31:59 GMT -8
>>I hadn't seen any calls for impeachment...<<<YoYo www.politico.com/news/stories/0311/51595.htmlYou should get out a little bit more. At least get out beyond PMSNBC and spunk-mouth Chrissy "it's runnin' down my leg" Halfathews. And you might actually want to watch MSNBC before you spout off. Kucinich was interviewed on MSNBC where he said he was going to introduce an amendment to (some bill) which would cut funding for Libya. He also restated his opinion that what the President did was an impeachable offense. MSNBC also interviewed a number of Republicans regarding the Libyan operation. While defiantly left leaning, MSNBC does try and present both sides of the political divide whereas FOX does not. The President acted legally in accordance with the War Powers Act. He dutifully notified Congress within 48 hours as is specified. Wrong. The war powers act requires authorization from Congress, or, unless the US is attacked or under imminent threat of attack, in which case the notification is required. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_Powers_ResolutionBut may I assume you support the action against Libya, or not? Oh, and who said anything about FOX??? |
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Mar 22, 2011 14:06:36 GMT -8
Post by aztec70 on Mar 22, 2011 14:06:36 GMT -8
Somehow I suspect that John McCain were president and did just what Obama did all the conservatives would be just fine with it.  |
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Libya
Mar 22, 2011 14:21:02 GMT -8
Post by davdesid on Mar 22, 2011 14:21:02 GMT -8
Somehow I suspect that John McCain were president and did just what Obama did all the conservatives would be just fine with it. I'm fine with the effort to get rid of 'daffy. I just think that the President should have consulted with Congress, and had it been McCain, I think that would have been the case. You know, like Boooosh did? May I assume you are another who approves of the Libya operation, or not? So far there's been one consistent response, that from Ineviwaz (whatever), a waffle from YoYo, a disjointed screed about "just wars", Viet-Nam and "Roosevelt's War" from our resident =Perfesser.... ...crickets chirping from the rest of the libtards. |
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Libya
Mar 22, 2011 15:14:42 GMT -8
Post by Yoda on Mar 22, 2011 15:14:42 GMT -8
>>I hadn't seen any calls for impeachment...<<<YoYo www.politico.com/news/stories/0311/51595.htmlYou should get out a little bit more. At least get out beyond PMSNBC and spunk-mouth Chrissy "it's runnin' down my leg" Halfathews. Sorry but I don't watch MSNBC any more than I watch FAUX. Yoda out... |
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Libya
Mar 22, 2011 15:31:09 GMT -8
Post by Yoda on Mar 22, 2011 15:31:09 GMT -8
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Libya
Mar 22, 2011 16:08:54 GMT -8
Post by davdesid on Mar 22, 2011 16:08:54 GMT -8
And your point is....? I'm aware of the history cited in the article. Are you suggesting that Obama is okay doing what he's doing without consulting with Congress, while Booosh 43 was wrong even though he did? I'm just trying to ferret out the hypocrites on here. I support the President, if he's trying to get rid of a bloodthirsty tyrant, and if he sees the job through and doesn't go wobbly in the middle of it like Booosh 41 did, and end up making a situation that has to be dealt with down the road at a much greater cost. It seems like some of the libtards on here seem to think attacking bloodthirsty tyrants may or may not be okay, depending on whether the President has a "D" or an "R" behind his name. Once again, I'll say I support the President here. Unless he goes wobbly and squanders the opportunity. Here's another interesting read: tinyurl.com/4akoncf |
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Libya
Mar 22, 2011 16:12:43 GMT -8
Post by AlwaysAnAztec on Mar 22, 2011 16:12:43 GMT -8
And you might actually want to watch MSNBC before you spout off. Kucinich was interviewed on MSNBC where he said he was going to introduce an amendment to (some bill) which would cut funding for Libya. He also restated his opinion that what the President did was an impeachable offense. MSNBC also interviewed a number of Republicans regarding the Libyan operation. While defiantly left leaning, MSNBC does try and present both sides of the political divide whereas FOX does not. The President acted legally in accordance with the War Powers Act. He dutifully notified Congress within 48 hours as is specified. Wrong. The war powers act requires authorization from Congress, or, unless the US is attacked or under imminent threat of attack, in which case the notification is required. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_Powers_ResolutionBut may I assume you support the action against Libya, or not? Oh, and who said anything about FOX??? To be honest, I'm tired of the U.S. being the world's policeman. If it doesn't threaten us, let someone else handle it. I'm just fine with Europe and the Arab League dealing with the mad man. |
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Libya
Mar 22, 2011 16:22:15 GMT -8
Post by davdesid on Mar 22, 2011 16:22:15 GMT -8
Wrong. The war powers act requires authorization from Congress, or, unless the US is attacked or under imminent threat of attack, in which case the notification is required. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_Powers_ResolutionBut may I assume you support the action against Libya, or not? Oh, and who said anything about FOX??? To be honest, I'm tired of the U.S. being the world's policeman. If it doesn't threaten us, let someone else handle it. I'm just fine with Europe and the Arab League dealing with the mad man. Me too! But we're already committed, so finish the job and get the hell out. And unless someone can show me why we need to keep 90 thousand troops in Europe to face a phantom enemy, they should be brought home. Or the Europeans ought to be paying every penny for their support. JMHO |
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Mar 22, 2011 16:28:39 GMT -8
Post by aztecwin on Mar 22, 2011 16:28:39 GMT -8
I made no such assertion. I posted a report that said the Arabs are going a bit wobbly. tinyurl.com/48cpvryNow then, as things develop, we have a number of Democrats calling for impeachment... the usual suspects like Kucinich, Barbara Lee, Sheila Jackson ("can the Mars rover go over to where the astronauts planted the flag?")Lee, and a few others. Nader and fatass Moore want Obama impeached, too. At least they are consistent. Ineviwazwhatever is consistent, but you seem to be waffling with the "Booosh bad, not sure about O-bomb-a" slapstick. But just so we understand each other, I support the effort to get rid of a bloodthirsty tyrant in Libya.... just as I supported getting rid of a bloodthirsty tyrant in Iraq. May I assume that you are not sure about getting rid of the former and you opposed getting rid of the latter? I'd like to see 'daffy pulled out of a spider hole and hanged. I hadn't seen any calls for impeachment but Democratic Senator and former Secretary of the Navy Jim Webb sure is not happy. firstread.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2011/03/21/6314520-webb-this-isnt-the-way-our-system-is-supposed-to-workDid a little searching, thank you, and the argument is that the bombing is unconstitutional. So does that make you a liberal Democrat? I mean wasn't it you who was posting the Obama quote? Yoda out... Wanting to do things in a constitutional manner does not make you a liberal democrat. You can agree with an action but disagree with the way it was done. Again I ask, "Just what is our goal in Libya? On what authority did we go in? Who has the lead in this effort? Who are these Rebels?" |
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Libya
Mar 22, 2011 17:29:16 GMT -8
Post by Yoda on Mar 22, 2011 17:29:16 GMT -8
I'm not sure why it is, but you always seem to be looking for something that isn't there. My point was, it was an interesting read. The end. Yoda out... |
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