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Post by RiffelBooks on Jun 23, 2010 12:08:48 GMT -8
Now that Utah is heading for greener pastures, who will fill the power vacuum? Simply a trade-off with Boise State or will something greater come out of all this, like SDSU developing into a conference contender? No one else in the conference has the recruiting base, city, quality of school, coaches and facilities to match up with us. Might we be part of the Big 3 or Big 4 in the MWC in a few years?
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Post by Borg on Jun 23, 2010 13:53:44 GMT -8
I would really like to hear a difinitive statement from Coach Hoke and your AD as to what their expectations are, where they see the program in 3-5 years, and what their plans are for getting there. And...if they have the support of the university admin to get from point a to point b.
Timing is so critical. The staff you have now has GOT to get you to the top.
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Post by aztecmusician on Jun 23, 2010 14:30:40 GMT -8
It is within the realm of possibility. Wasn't Urban Meyer's first season (and SDSU's last win vs. the Utes) kind of average? If Brady Hoke, Al Borges and Rocky Long have been doing their jobs and putting some fire into this long underachieving team, we could be in for a pleasant surprise.
I have no doubt that the SDSU Defense will be good enough to win 6 games, more if they can find a running game.
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Post by steveaztec on Jun 23, 2010 14:31:26 GMT -8
It could be us.......if our fans will come out and support the program.
I feel good times are coming.
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Post by dshawfan on Jun 23, 2010 15:07:05 GMT -8
It is within the realm of possibility. Wasn't Urban Meyer's first season (and SDSU's last win vs. the Utes) kind of average? If Brady Hoke, Al Borges and Rocky Long have been doing their jobs and putting some fire into this long underachieving team, we could be in for a pleasant surprise. I have no doubt that the SDSU Defense will be good enough to win 6 games, more if they can find a running game. The Aztec's last win against the Utes was in 2002 while McBride was still in charge. Meyer was hired in December of 02 and went 10-2 in his first year (03) with the Utes. That being said, hell yes we can do what Utah did. I think Meyer inherited a program which was in better shape than Hoke did, so I think the process was accelerated at Utah and one must also consider that Urban might be one of the very best HCs in CFB. If the administration is on board with doing what it takes to put a successful product on the field, then I think we are on our way with the staff we have in place. |
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Post by dshawfan on Jun 23, 2010 15:08:43 GMT -8
It could be us.......if our fans will come out and support the program. I feel good times are coming. Steve - you were around in the good times. You know the fans will come out if a good product is put on the field. How long has it been since we had a 10 win season? |
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Post by k5james on Jun 23, 2010 15:15:13 GMT -8
The Aztec's last win against the Utes was in 2002 while McBride was still in charge. Far be it from me to question a gangster like yourself but our last win against Utah was in '05, Coach Whit's first year.  |
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Post by dshawfan on Jun 23, 2010 15:30:46 GMT -8
The Aztec's last win against the Utes was in 2002 while McBride was still in charge. Far be it from me to question a gangster like yourself but our last win against Utah was in '05, Coach Whit's first year. Damn - how quickly memories fade these days! ;D |
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Post by Bob Forsythe on Jun 23, 2010 16:48:01 GMT -8
It is within the realm of possibility. Wasn't Urban Meyer's first season (and SDSU's last win vs. the Utes) kind of average? If Brady Hoke, Al Borges and Rocky Long have been doing their jobs and putting some fire into this long underachieving team, we could be in for a pleasant surprise. I have no doubt that the SDSU Defense will be good enough to win 6 games, more if they can find a running game. The Aztec's last win against the Utes was in 2002 while McBride was still in charge. Meyer was hired in December of 02 and went 10-2 in his first year (03) with the Utes. That being said, hell yes we can do what Utah did. I think Meyer inherited a program which was in better shape than Hoke did, so I think the process was accelerated at Utah and one must also consider that Urban might be one of the very best HCs in CFB. Way better shape, I'd say. McBride was a much better recruiter than he was a coach. =Bob |
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Post by monty on Jun 23, 2010 16:53:32 GMT -8
Short answer: yes. Bigger answer, we are developing a solid bball school, we have the chance to have a trully great football program. As far as a university,we get 60k apps as a destination, amazing coeds, truly one of the best campuses I've seen(and I saw a couple dozen last year) and the advertisement of good basketball school, when we turn it around we could be getting 80k+(maybe 100k) and our acceptance rate will be in the teens, and our yield into the 25-35 % (meaning 3 out of 4 people we give offers to will accept). We'll be getting tons of out of state apps and that means some cash influx. We could easily (with some state help and allowance of more PhDs, and other prof. degrees - we added two this summer) get into the double figures US universities. Both are very important - we are becoming a world university player, you get good sports that will only help that, and you bring big time univeristy and sports program along with the advantages we already have over almost every other not-ready-for-prime-time-player, we can become a monster. Honestly, I think it is happening and will happen in the next half a decade, and the biggest step towards it is the monster bball run coming.
Fight on and on...
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Post by aztech on Jun 23, 2010 18:36:10 GMT -8
I somehow get the feeling that if we as a sleeping giant finally wake up, we won't be invited to a big program unless the Arizona schools break away from the Pac. We are somewhat isolated, geographically.
Forget the Pac. If they ever ask us it's because someone else would be threatening to. I'd rather we go to that someone else.
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Post by RiffelBooks on Jun 23, 2010 18:39:50 GMT -8
Last 10-win season was 1977, or 33 years. It could be us.......if our fans will come out and support the program. I feel good times are coming. Steve - you were around in the good times. You know the fans will come out if a good product is put on the field. How long has it been since we had a 10 win season? |
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Post by ramrodd23 on Jun 23, 2010 20:36:44 GMT -8
It could be us.......if our fans will come out and support the program. I feel good times are coming. Steve - you were around in the good times. You know the fans will come out if a good product is put on the field. How long has it been since we had a 10 win season? I agree. I do not blame fans for not going to SDSU Football games. Their product has been bad for a long time. They need to put a better product on the field. Win games and go to bowl games. Then the fans will start coming. |
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Post by retiredaztec on Jun 23, 2010 21:40:28 GMT -8
Last 10-win season was 1977, or 33 years. Steve - you were around in the good times. You know the fans will come out if a good product is put on the field. How long has it been since we had a 10 win season? Back to back 10-1 seasons actually. One of the teams, TC was the QB. The other?  Back in those days neither team was "good enough" to be invited to a bowl game. (TC was also HC at State when Aztecs beat Utes at Rice-Eccles. Ute fans couldn't believe it. I was loving it). |
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Post by retiredaztec on Jun 23, 2010 21:50:27 GMT -8
Last 10-win season was 1977, or 33 years. Back to back 10-1 seasons actually. One of the teams, TC was the QB. The other? Back in those days neither team was "good enough" to be invited to a bowl game. (TC was also HC at State when Aztecs beat Utes at Rice-Eccles. Ute fans couldn't believe it. I was loving it). Oh yeah, second 10-1 season team, I believe, had Joe Davis as QB. Year team blew out Bobby Bowden's FSU team something like 40-16. Took some of the sting out of losing to UA two years earlier when at the time we were ranked 13th in the nation. Memories...that's all we got... |
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Post by Borg on Jun 23, 2010 22:27:39 GMT -8
I somehow get the feeling that if we as a sleeping giant finally wake up, we won't be invited to a big program unless the Arizona schools break away from the Pac. We are somewhat isolated, geographically. Forget the Pac. If they ever ask us it's because someone else would be threatening to. I'd rather we go to that someone else. I would never say never. If the "Big 16" conferences come around again, SDSU would be right in the mix. AND...if there was a winning program, it makes it so much easier. After all...Utah has blown for years, until the last decade or so. |
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Post by steveaztec on Jun 24, 2010 4:03:33 GMT -8
It could be us.......if our fans will come out and support the program. I feel good times are coming. Steve - you were around in the good times. You know the fans will come out if a good product is put on the field. How long has it been since we had a 10 win season? Oh yes...they will come big time with a couple of 10 win seasons. But there is no way we should be averaging under 25,000 a game even in our worst times. Get out and support your school and teams. |
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Post by longtimesdsufan on Jun 24, 2010 5:13:27 GMT -8
It will be interesting to see what happens to us and to Utah.
The PAC 12 is not going to be the draw it was when USC was on top. It will take some time before they are the powerhouse that they have been the last few years. They made the whole league look better. It will be different if they lose to Nortre Dame each year and are not contenders for national championships. Does anyone think that Oregon, Stanford and Cal can create enough shine?
This will also effect us, because it was the wins over the PAC 10 that made the MWC look good, and improve our rankings.
I don't think the overall perception on the MWC will change without Utah. The problems remain the same, and if we win, the rankings will come.
Long run, Utah will struggle. It will not be as easy to get 10 win seasons, and they will have PAC 10 refs. I wonder if BYU will continue the holy war game? 12 years ago, our programs were the same. Yes, they can afford to pay more for coaches now, but that is not why they jumped leagues. My guess is that they will play Colorado, Arizona and Arizona St on a regular basis as their new division. Not sure who the other 2 schools will be. They will not get the pacific coast teams every year, and they are the prime games in good locations. Overall, it will be a more difficult schedule. Same as everyone has said about Boise, it will be hard to win as many games.
Frankly, we need this time in the MWC to get our act together. We need to start winning more games than we lose, go to a bowl game every year and the fans will come.
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Post by dshawfan on Jun 24, 2010 8:45:53 GMT -8
Short answer: yes. Bigger answer, we are developing a solid bball school, we have the chance to have a trully great football program. As far as a university,we get 60k apps as a destination, amazing coeds, truly one of the best campuses I've seen(and I saw a couple dozen last year) and the advertisement of good basketball school, when we turn it around we could be getting 80k+(maybe 100k) and our acceptance rate will be in the teens, and our yield into the 25-35 % (meaning 3 out of 4 people we give offers to will accept). We'll be getting tons of out of state apps and that means some cash influx. We could easily (with some state help and allowance of more PhDs, and other prof. degrees - we added two this summer) get into the double figures US universities. Both are very important - we are becoming a world university player, you get good sports that will only help that, and you bring big time univeristy and sports program along with the advantages we already have over almost every other not-ready-for-prime-time-player, we can become a monster. Honestly, I think it is happening and will happen in the next half a decade, and the biggest step towards it is the monster bball run coming. Fight on and on... Good points. If the school's academic program continues to progress and the FB program does what the Utes have done the last 7 or 8 years then it would make pushing the Aztecs to the side much more difficult when the Big Boys start pushing for Super Conferences. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 24, 2010 12:26:20 GMT -8
The Aztec's last win against the Utes was in 2002 while McBride was still in charge. Meyer was hired in December of 02 and went 10-2 in his first year (03) with the Utes. That being said, hell yes we can do what Utah did. I think Meyer inherited a program which was in better shape than Hoke did, so I think the process was accelerated at Utah and one must also consider that Urban might be one of the very best HCs in CFB. Way better shape, I'd say. McBride was a much better recruiter than he was a coach. =Bob One of his own coaches have told me that after he left. McBride loved toughness and physical players and that is the start of a winning program. I am 100% sure Hoke will turn it around and we will be a power in the MWC no later than 2011. |
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Back in those days neither team was "good enough" to be invited to a bowl game.